Rush praises Hawaii socialist care

[netrox]

Does Rush realize that the medical care he got is a socialist medical care? Nope. Hawaii has a socialist medical care and contrary to what conservatives say, has the lowest Medicare costs despite being one of the most expensive states to live in.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/17/health/policy/17hawaii.html?_r=1

 

[Jiro]

lllllooooolllllll

 

[netrox]

Let me emphasize the statements:

But perhaps the most intriguing lesson from Hawaii has to do with costs. This is a state where regular milk sells for $8 a gallon, gasoline costs $3.60 a gallon and the median price of a home in 2008 was $624,000 — the second-highest in the nation. Despite this, Hawaii’s health insurancepremiums are nearly tied with North Dakota for the lowest in the country, and Medicare costs per beneficiary are the nation’s lowest.

Hawaii residents live longer than people in the rest of the country, recent surveys have shown, and the state’s health care system may be one reason. In one example, Hawaii has the nation’s highest incidence of breast cancer but the lowest death rate from the disease.

Dr. Ray Sebastian splits his time between the emergency room at Kapi’olani Medical Center at Pali Momi and a hospital in Los Angeles. Nearly all of his poorest patients in Hawaii have routine access to family doctors who can provide follow-up care, while fewer than half of those in Los Angeles do, he estimated. So, he said, the emergency room in Hawaii is not clogged with patients suffering minor problems like medication adjustments and cold symptoms, and patient waiting times are a small fraction of those in Los Angeles


Rush was praising HOW FAST the medical attention was.... well duh... that's because ER's aren't clogged with patients without insurances!

 

[deafskeptic]

I wonder how long it will be before he starts backpedaling! Hey I should move to hawaii!

 

[Lighthouse77]

There's a different between state rights and Federal. As far as I'm concern, I don't care what each states decide to do.

 

[TXgolfer]

This is an apples to oranges argument. Hawaii's economy is rooted in tourism. Completely different economy than the majority of the mainland. In a tourism economy businesses are able to raise prices to cover the costs of doing business without worrying about losing business. People aren't going to stop going to Hawaii just because it costs a little more to go. In our economy people will delay purchases, look for substitutes or decide they just don't need things if prices rise.

 

[netrox]

This is an apples to oranges argument. Hawaii's economy is rooted in tourism. Completely different economy than the majority of the mainland. In a tourism economy businesses are able to raise prices to cover the costs of doing business without worrying about losing business. People aren't going to stop going to Hawaii just because it costs a little more to go. In our economy people will delay purchases, look for substitutes or decide they just don't need things if prices rise.

Huh? You're kidding me, right?

 

[deafskeptic]

This is an apples to oranges argument. Hawaii's economy is rooted in tourism. Completely different economy than the majority of the mainland. In a tourism economy businesses are able to raise prices to cover the costs of doing business without worrying about losing business. People aren't going to stop going to Hawaii just because it costs a little more to go. In our economy people will delay purchases, look for substitutes or decide they just don't need things if prices rise.

Huh? What has that got to do with health care? I'd think hotels, restruants and anything related to tourism would suffer in a recession?

 

[Barbaro]

That's true, Lighthouse. I have no problem with the state having its state health care. That's great for them and they know that they are paying pricey by living there and it can be difficult to find a job in Hawaii when one has had multiple degrees. It's easier if you have family/friends connections in Hawaii..

Topic off- Hawaii is very beautiful, but incredibly expensive, but I'd miss mountains here in mainland.. lol.. I remember reading one of those dairy farms closed down in Hawaii. I believe there are only two dairy farms left in Hawaii that sell local milks- around $4.00 or $5.00 a gallon. I can't recall. Hawaiians have to purchase imported milk from mainland for $6.50 to $8.00 a milk gallon. I wish Hawaii should have open more dairy farms, so it'd not be in vulnerable position. What will happen if there is an emergency? USDA has been trying to push Hawaii to open more farms there, so they would not have to depend on imported supplies from mainland, but the problem is it costs more to run a farm plus the land is expensive. In USDA study, its not even healthy to transport imported milk to Hawaii, because Hawaii has no laws that regulating the transportation of milk. According to the study, it takes about 20 days to a month to transport a milk to Hawaii directly from mainland. Gross.

 

[TXgolfer]

Huh? What has that got to do with health care? I'd think hotels, restruants and anything related to tourism would suffer in a recession?

Employers are required to pay for insurance for employees that work more than 20 hrs in Hawaii. That is a cost of doing business. Most of that business is tourism related. Hawaii's tourism suffers little due to economic downturns in the US because much of their tourism is from other countries. It's almost impossible to compare Hawaii to the rest of the U.S.

Don't take my word for it though. We should have plenty of examples of it here in the next few years. I predict many small privately owned businesses will close. We will see in a few years.

 

[Cowpuppy]

It's a global recession.
and believe me...North Dakota is not anchored by tourism
many small businesses have already closed and we should be turning corner rather than going downward.
slowly

Employers are required to pay for insurance for employees that work more than 20 hrs in Hawaii. That is a cost of doing business. Most of that business is tourism related. Hawaii's tourism suffers little due to economic downturns in the US because much of their tourism is from other countries. It's almost impossible to compare Hawaii to the rest of the U.S.

Don't take my word for it though. We should have plenty of examples of it here in the next few years. I predict many small privately owned businesses will close. We will see in a few years.

 

[TXgolfer]

It's a global recession.
and believe me...North Dakota is not anchored by tourism
many small businesses have already closed and we should be turning corner rather than going downward.
slowly

Yes it is a Global Recession to an extent but there are still plenty of people spending money. My last trip to Hawaii was more expensive than ever yet it was still just as crowded. This past November I played Pebble Beach which is an annual tradition for me. This year it was $1600 for the two of us to play one round of golf after Caddy and tips. Last year it was $1200. Yet it was just as crowded as ever. Of course that's not Hawaii. But my point is and has been high end vacation destinations do not have to follow the same rules as most businesses. They are able to raise their prices and people will still pay it.