Restoring Honor Rally at D.C. Today.

My opinion here. For a lily white person saying "Uncle Tom" to a black or African American person who simply choose a different believe and ideology from others would be seen as a derogatory insult is almost akin to using the "N" word. Lloyd Marcus, a black Conservative, has his political and ideological beliefs that just happens to mesh and agree with many conservatives' belief who happens to be "white."

Lloyd Marcus

It's an ugly word that belong to the days of cavemen.
 
I offered my theory on this, speculating that Beck is a white man's Al Sharpton. Anyhow, I doubt we will get an answer. We will get an earful of race card comments, and that is fine. As a white man in the Upper Midwest, I can shrug it off. I just see the people defending/avoiding the question have similar complexions to me.

Oh well, a nice day to get outside and do things. No point in waiting for a solid reply to my question. Somewhere the SWK voodoo doll is getting pierced.
How many black ADers have given their opinions about the rally? That could be useful.
 
I might have an idea why they did it on the anniversary of the "I have a dream" speech. Maybe it's to show appreciation for these timeless words.

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

And yet we hear today calling these supporters at the Restoring Honor rally as racists and if they're blacks then they're called "Uncle Toms" for having that same ideological beliefs.

Sad to see this happen in this day and age. I thought we left the 1960s.
 
... And the reason they might have avoided Sharpton's rally could be out of fear (being called the N-word or beaten by the rally crowd) because they knew there would be an over 90% crowd of angry white folks?
Were there any confrontations between the attendees of the two rallies?
 
Are you denying that it is unusual?
It's not unusual. Most sub-populations in life will have different racial/ethnic/gender/religious makeup than the population as a whole. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with the sub-populations. Is there something wrong with people who make over 700 on the SATs because most of them are Asian? Is there something wrong with tomato farmers in Sao Paulo Brazil because 90 percent are Japanese? Is there something wrong with university degree recipients in Fiji because most of them are of Indian ancestry? Lastly, to repeat a recent meme, is there something wrong with MSNBC hosts because 100% of them are white? It's really not that unusual to have a sub-population with 5% of a minority that makes up 12% in the whole population. That's probably much more common than having a sub population exactly mirror the overall population.

Which makes me curious- what percent of AD users is black? I honestly don't know, but if it's less than 12%, should we start making innuendos about something unusual going on at AD?
 
My opinion here. For a lily white person saying "Uncle Tom" to a black or African American person who simply choose a different believe and ideology from others would be seen as a derogatory insult is almost akin to using the "N" word. Lloyd Marcus, a black Conservative, has his political and ideological beliefs that just happens to mesh and agree with many conservatives' belief who happens to be "white."

Lloyd Marcus

It's an ugly word that belong to the days of cavemen.

And yet we hear today calling these supporters at the Restoring Honor rally as racists and if they're blacks then they're called "Uncle Toms" for having that same ideological beliefs.

Sad to see this happen in this day and age. I thought we left the 1960s.

why are you still on race card when you kept telling us to drop the race card?

typical deflection.
 
Al Sharpton is a bumbling fool who likes to use race card on every single issue but Sharpton is not an issue here. This thread is about Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally. From what I see here - Beck has presented MLK's niece as guest speaker and also played MLK film.

That is wonderful and all.... One would expect a good mix of all kinds for rally like that. Nobody is claiming anything racist especially me and saywhatkid.

But where are the minorities? Why so few? Are you denying that it is unusual?
What is the percentage of minorities who are politically conservative?
 
It's not unusual. Most sub-populations in life will have different racial/ethnic/gender/religious makeup than the population as a whole. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with the sub-populations. Is there something wrong with people who make over 700 on the SATs because most of them are Asian? Is there something wrong with tomato farmers in Sao Paulo Brazil because 90 percent are Japanese? Is there something wrong with university degree recipients in Fiji because most of them are of Indian ancestry? Lastly, to repeat a recent meme, is there something wrong with MSNBC hosts because 100% of them are white? It's really not that unusual to have a sub-population with 5% of a minority that makes up 12% in the whole population. That's probably much more common than having a sub population exactly mirror the overall population.

Which makes me curious- what percent of AD users is black? I honestly don't know, but if it's less than 12%, should we start making innuendos about something unusual going on at AD?

apple-orange.

what's unusual here is.... the theme is about Civil Rights... featuring MLK's niece and MLK film in DC where MLK was and yet..... nearly no minority people are there?

how unusual....

It's like hosting a Veteran-related parade and hardly any Veteran shows up. It would be unusual, no?
 
What is the percentage of minorities who are politically conservative?

Why? that's not an issue here since Glenn Beck said this rally is not political. That's why he asked them to not carry any political-related posters.
 
It's not unusual. Most sub-populations in life will have different racial/ethnic/gender/religious makeup than the population as a whole. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with the sub-populations. Is there something wrong with people who make over 700 on the SATs because most of them are Asian? Is there something wrong with tomato farmers in Sao Paulo Brazil because 90 percent are Japanese? Is there something wrong with university degree recipients in Fiji because most of them are of Indian ancestry? Lastly, to repeat a recent meme, is there something wrong with MSNBC hosts because 100% of them are white? It's really not that unusual to have a sub-population with 5% of a minority that makes up 12% in the whole population. That's probably much more common than having a sub population exactly mirror the overall population.

Which makes me curious- what percent of AD users is black? I honestly don't know, but if it's less than 12%, should we start making innuendos about something unusual going on at AD?

Great responses and questions! Especially the last paragraph.

Indeed.
 
1. Cameras don't show the reasons behind attendance.
2. What percentage of the within-walking-distance black population showed up at Sharpton's rally?
3. What do the non-attenders say were their reasons?
(1) They do not. Just the mostly white faces. That is why I asked, because I don't know much about Beck. Instead, I was slammed repeatedly for playing the race card, seeing only color, etc. I asked a simple question to someone that I consider an expert on Beck. The slamming I received, in itself, probably was the answer. Since I don't belong to the right wing movement, the Tea Party, or Beck's inner circle, I was bashed, just like those missing minorities likely would have been.

(2) Dunno. There was little coverage given to his rally. I would say it was higher than the larger, more heavily covered rally. I would speculate that more blacks attended the small Sharpton rally than attended the massive Beck rally, just by total numbers.

(3) I did not see the interviews. Perhaps there are none? :roll: They did not swing by my house to ask me why I stayed away. Did they ask you?
 
Collected here are a series of updates from Washington Post reporters who were on the ground at the Rev. Al Sharpton's "Reclaim the Dream" rally as the event was unfolding. Read our formal report here.


The intersection of Independence Avenue and 17th street was a crossroads of expressions and participants from both events came together.

As one group of black women chanted "Yes we did and get over it," those part of the Glenn Beck rally clapped and passed out Restore the Honor bottles of water.

But Brett Cummings of Gordon Ga wasn't happy. "Look at the statement if we had all come together as one." Katheryn Travis who came to Beck Rally from Knoxville Tenn was almost in tears. "Dr King wanted all of us to come together. We have to believe that."

- Robert Pierre

- - -


When the Sharpton rally reached the mall, most of the crowd from Beck's rally had begun to disperse. Those remaining, mostly smiled politely. "We love Obama! We like Obama!" those in Sharpton's rally yelled.

"Glen Beck, we're going to show you. We ain't going to let Glenn Beck turn us around," one man shouted into a mega phone. The crowd followed him. A few people took photos as they chanted and walked down Constitution Avenue. "We need to be shouting 'we are America,'" said one woman in Sharpton's rally. "See all those tea baggers." The two crowds mostly gawked at each other and smiled.

- Krissah Thompson

- - -

The march has started and is moving slowly.

-- Krissah Thompson

- - -

Martin Luther King III will speak at the King memorial. Code Pink is also at the rally, along with other anti-war protesters. The crowd showcases a mixture of progressive/liberal causes.

-- Krissah Thompson

- - -

"Let the line stretch. They're already going to say there were only 2,000 or 3,000 of you here," Sharpton said. "If people start heckling, smile at them. This ain't about you, it's about Dr. King."

-- Krissah Thompson

- - -

Education Secretary Arne Duncan told the ralliers gathered at Dunbar High School that education is the civil rights issue of this generation. "Parents: Turn off the television. Educators: We have to stop making excuses," he said. "The dividing line in our country today is less around white and black and more about educational opportunity. We've been too satisfied with second-class schools."

He made no mention of the large rally Glenn Beck organized on the Mall.

-- Krissah Thompson
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"Shame on them. We still have a dream. We are here to let those folks on the Mall know that they don't represent the dream," said Jaime Contreras, president of SEIU-32BJ. "They sure as hell don't represent me. They represent hate-mongering and angry white people. The happy white people are here today. We will not let them stand in the way of the change we voted for!"

On the racial divisions evident in the rallies today: "We can either remain complacent under the guise of a post-racial society," said Cynthia Butler-McIntyre, national president of the Delta Sigma Theta sorority. "We came today to say that is a lie and the truth is not in it."

"I'll say what Dr. King once said: 'We may have come here on different ships but right now we're in the same boat,' " said radio host Warren Ballentine.

-- Krissah Thompson

"This is America. All groups ought to have the opportunity to speak and give their point of view. We've been at the Mall," said the Rev. W. Franklin Richardson, president of Grace Baptist Church in Mount Vernon, N.Y. "It's all right with me that they are at the Mall today because we are at the White House."

"They were told not to bring signs. Can you imagine Martin Luther King telling his marchers not to bring signs?" said Benjamin Jealous, president of the NAACP. "First on the list was don't bring signs. The second was don't bring your guns."

-- Krissah Thompson

- - -

The Rev. Al Sharpton said in an interview before he spoke to thousands at his rally in Northwest Washington that "people are clear in what Dr. King's dream was about and we will not react to those who try to distort that dream."

Sharpton was one of a number of prominent leaders who condemned Glenn Beck's rally despite the tone that has been struck.

Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.), who was an aide to Martin Luther King Jr. and was at the 1963 march, said, "When I look at my television, I don't see the King crowd of blacks and whites together."

NAACP President Benjamin Jealous said: "We are not sure what the message of the Beck rally is since he told them to leave their signs at home. We have revitalize jobs and schools and reclaim Dr. King's dream."

-- Hamil R. Harris

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"Don't let anyone tell you that they have the right to take their country back," Avis Jones DeWeever, executive director of the National Council of Negro Women told the crowd at the Rev. Al Sharpton's rally. "It's our country, too. We will reclaim the dream. It was ours from the beginning." The crowd roared.

-- Krissah Thompson

- - -

Representatives are here from various District political campaigns, labor unions and churches, as well as radio listeners to Joe Madison and the Rev. Al Sharpton.

-- Krissah Thompson

- - -

They will have speakers at the rally until 1 p.m., after which the five-mile march will begin, reducing the chance for a conflict. Radio host Joe Madison says the line at Dunbar High School is still wrapped around the block because of a bottleneck through the field door.

A good portion of the football field and all of the bleachers are filled. The dozens of speakers here each have three minutes on the mike and will touch on everything from ending gun violence and gay rights to voting privileges for the District.

-- Krissah Thompson

- - -

A gospel choir took the stage after a fervent prayer by Barbara Williams-Skinner. The crowd quietly sang along. "What do you do when you've given your all? Child, you just stand." Williams-Skinner made strong ties between the 1963 rally where Martin Luther King Jr. spoke of his "dream" and the rally that drew hundreds of people to Dunbar High School in Northwest Washington. "Like Dr. King, we believe that the bank of justice is not bankrupt," she said. "We thank you God for raising up President Barack Obama as a small down payment on that dream."

Bianca Farmer, a senior at Dunbar High School, received big applause when she told the crowd not to stop at celebrating Obama. "We must be fearful of stopping there," she said. "The fight is not in the same arena as it was 47 years ago but the fight lives on."

"Part of the dream has come a reality but other parts have not," said Larry Handfield, president of Bethune Cookman College. "In this country still today there are cities where far less than 30 percent of black males are graduating to high school, therefore the dream is not yet complete."

-- Krissah Thompson

- - -

The bleachers still weren't filled 10 minutes before the "Reclaim the Dream" rally organized by the Rev. Al Sharpton was scheduled to start. Charles "Horse" Dobson had just arrived and looked around at the crowd, which was rocking to a live band playing old rhythm-and-blues tunes.

"King was about bringing us together, not just black people but all people," Dobson said.
The scene brought back memories for him. He was a second-grader living in a neighborhood nearby when the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. was killed. School was out early. The neighborhood was on fire with riots that blazed.

"Things have changed a lot," he said. But some things had not changed -- to some extent racial divisions were still on display. The crowd at Dunbar was mostly black. The crowd at a rally organized by Glenn Beck near the Lincoln Memorial was mostly white. "King's dream was to bring us together," he said. "There's still a division. It's all wrong."

-- Krissah Thompson

- - -

The crowd at the Sharpton rally, which has the feel of a concert right now, is small -- with a few hundred people and a long line around Dunbar High School. It's predominantly black -- though not exclusively.

-- Krissah Thompson

- - -

Joyce White arrived at a what she called a counter-march to Fox News host Glenn Beck's rally. She came to remember the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s speech but also to show her opposition to Beck.

"If we hadn't elected a black president, do you think they would be doing this today?" she asked.
She recently retired and brought her grandson Troy to witness what she said would be a historic event. "Reclaim the Dream" T-shirts with black and white pictures of King were available for $10 near vendors selling wooden statues and Kinte cloth.

Tehuti Imhotep came from Baltimore with posters depicting black history from the middle passage through King's 1968 march in support of trash haulers in Memphis. Imhotep shouted at passersby: "This is our real history. [Beck's] trying to redefine the civil rights movement," he said. "How insensitive! King was about bringing people together. This man Beck is pulling people apart."

-- Krissah Thompson

- - -

10:22 a.m.

Several hundred people gathered at Dunbar High School as a band sang Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" at a rally that the Rev. Al Sharpton is calling the "Reclaim the Dream" march.

-- Krissah Thompson
44 - Inside Al Sharpton's 'Reclaim the Dream' march
 
No substantive disagreement with my point? Just whisking it off with "apple-orange"? Try finding me a sub-population in life that closely mirrors the whole. It won't be easy. It makes little sense to take a disparity and use that alone as proof that something "unusual" is going on. By that logic, there's something "unusual" with just about every group one can think of.

And the theme was restoring honor, not civil rights for blacks. Martin Luther King, Jr. did a lot of honorable things, so it makes sense to use him as an example for all people. Back then, it was largely about color, but today, it's about restoring honor for all of us.

Correction: Back then, it was largely about color because it was mostly blacks whose civil rights were being trampled on. But the goal was to make it not about color. That's why Martin Luther King, Jr. wanted and frankly, that's what I want too. That's why I hate seeing this "Hmm, look at all the white people. Strange..." garbage.
 
And yet we hear today calling these supporters at the Restoring Honor rally as racists and if they're blacks then they're called "Uncle Toms" for having that same ideological beliefs.

Sad to see this happen in this day and age. I thought we left the 1960s.
I have not called Beck or his rally a racist event. I asked where the minorities were. You just can't get over why some people don't consider a rally of this nature the "feel good event of 2010." Write that check today, and show your support for Beck and his crusaders.
 
Why? that's not an issue here since Glenn Beck said this rally is not political. That's why he asked them to not carry any political-related posters.
It's relevant because the Beck rally appealed to conservative people, and the Sharpton rally appealed to liberal people, regardless of skin colors.
 
Which makes me curious- what percent of AD users is black? I honestly don't know, but if it's less than 12%, should we start making innuendos about something unusual going on at AD?

My point has been this, what is it about Beck that there are so few minorities in the crowd? We know that they were not all over at Rev. Sharpton's protest rally. Where were they? Why did they stay away? I was trying to learn, not draw conclusions. I wanted to feel informed. Instead, I feel like I stumbled into a hornet's nest.

Maybe you can address the AD demographics with a new poll, asking members what race they consider themselves. A lot of people keep some things to themselves. Some people are deceptive online.
 
No substantive disagreement with my point? Just whisking it off with "apple-orange"? Try finding me a sub-population in life that closely mirrors the whole. It won't be easy. It makes little sense to take a disparity and use that alone as proof that something "unusual" is going on. By that logic, there's something "unusual" with just about every group one can think of.

And the theme was restoring honor, not civil rights for blacks. Martin Luther King, Jr. did a lot of honorable things, so it makes sense to use him as an example for all people. Back then, it was largely about color, but today, it's about restoring honor for all of us.

Correction: Back then, it was largely about color because it was mostly blacks whose civil rights were being trampled on. But the goal was to make it not about color. That's why Martin Luther King, Jr. wanted and frankly, that's what I want too. That's why I hate seeing this "Hmm, look at all the white people. Strange..." garbage.

so why show MLK film and get MLK's niece to speak loudly - "this is not about the color" message?

what was that? I thought this was about "Restoring Honor".... not Civil Rights. which one??? :dizzy:
 


(3) I did not see the interviews. Perhaps there are none? :roll: They did not swing by my house to ask me why I stayed away. Did they ask you?
Nope. And I wouldn't want anyone to speculate why I didn't attend either rally.
 
It's relevant because the Beck rally appealed to conservative people, and the Sharpton rally appealed to liberal people, regardless of skin colors.
So, based on that, what is your impression?
 
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