Religion or Beliefs?

VamPyroX said:
Yeah, it's also in baptist religion as well. I knew a few people who gave up masturbation because it was considered a sin. In order to masturbate properly, you have to think of something that turns you on. In a way, that is like dreaming or looking at porn or dirty magazines. That is considered a sin. If a person has a specific fetish and is turned on by that fetish, then that is also considered a sin to even think about it because they could actually have improved their lives if they had taken the time to go to church and read the bible. That's why I think this whole thing is bullshit. Ugh!

Accord to Christian, without sex until marriage which it make much worthy feel each other to keep marriage stay forever. That's old story which seem so true.

All my sisters were virgin until got marriage. But only my big brother who been spoiled and got divorce. That which make good sense why not necessary to have sex or masturbate before get marry. huh...
 
MizzDeaf said:
I am baptist and breaking the bend... anyway, I know about Walt Disney because of gay issues. I think it is stuipd to bother them for that reason. :nono: My dad is left handed and not see nothing wrong about that.
Yeah, they say that Disney supports the gay/lesbian issue. That's why some people are against Disney, cuz of that. When I worked at my local video store, someone walked in and hid flyers and brochures regarding information against Disney and gay/lesbian issues. I ended up going through all the movies and removing them, ugh!
 
VamPyroX said:
Yeah, they say that Disney supports the gay/lesbian issue. That's why some people are against Disney, cuz of that. When I worked at my local video store, someone walked in and hid flyers and brochures regarding information against Disney and gay/lesbian issues. I ended up going through all the movies and removing them, ugh!

Remember the Gay Day at Disneyland?

Walt Disney does not promote nor endorse the event at all. It is an event that get organized by gay/lesbian groups. They are not supported by Walt Disney at all.

Therefore, Walt Disney is not responsible for announcing the Gay Day events because they are not responsible for it. There are some quite touchy families when they see gay people smooching in public, but do I care?

Nah, these families should just go back and get refunds and stay at home for the day if they fear that their kids will become gay because of what they have seen. :roll:
 
VamPyroX said:
Yeah, they say that Disney supports the gay/lesbian issue. That's why some people are against Disney, cuz of that. When I worked at my local video store, someone walked in and hid flyers and brochures regarding information against Disney and gay/lesbian issues. I ended up going through all the movies and removing them, ugh!


mmm a friend used to work for a video store and purposely put "please rewind" on the DVD cases... what a nice joke
 
Banjo said:
Remember the Gay Day at Disneyland?

Walt Disney does not promote nor endorse the event at all. It is an event that get organized by gay/lesbian groups. They are not supported by Walt Disney at all.

Therefore, Walt Disney is not responsible for announcing the Gay Day events because they are not responsible for it. There are some quite touchy families when they see gay people smooching in public, but do I care?

Nah, these families should just go back and get refunds and stay at home for the day if they fear that their kids will become gay because of what they have seen. :roll:
Would you allow a bunch of gays/lesbians to host a parade/party to promote gays/lesbians inside the lobby of your office building? If not, why?
 
VamPyroX said:
Would you allow a bunch of gays/lesbians to host a parade/party to promote gays/lesbians inside the lobby of your office building? If not, why?

It's likely you cannot do that unless you rent the lobby out.

But Disneyland is a THEME park, you don't have to rent it out to promote them. Disneyland can't just reject them because this is organized OUTSIDE the park. They may not even know when it is taking place because it is not an official Disney-supported event.

Disney does not endorse nor promote it.
 
This very question could indicate your own religious poisoning. Fears were used by the church (the government then), to control the psyches of people, and later their behaviors and lives. Mom never taught me to follow a God full of hell, devil, fire etc. Thus I have no fears of God or the devil for that matter. However, once I asked the local priest why the bad people who had gone down to hell, had not gone up to the sun where it’s hot. He told me, "the Bible says its down, and you should not question the word of God." I also asked him why his nose was always red and why his breath smelled like wine all the time. Thus I got fired from my church (and school) at an early age, and had to look for God and what it means to be human in my own way, away from the regular, deceiving religious dogmas. There were a couple of passages in the Bible that really struck me. The first one was, "and God created the stars and heaven" and the other one, "God made man in his image". If that is so, then I am God somewhere, somehow and so is everyone else. Consequently, no limits were imposed upon my curious mind.
 
Religious poisoning? meaning my belief has restricted my mind in not believeing something else other than what I am told? I am curious as to the poisoning that your belief has caused you. No limits on your curious mind? So then you are open to the fact that the Bible could be true, God could be true, and the that hell could be true, and that a religion could be telling the truth and not be poison. Thanx for making that clear. It is unfortunate that your priest was a bad example.
 
DreamSlayer said:
Religious poisoning? meaning my belief has restricted my mind in not believeing something else other than what I am told? I am curious as to the poisoning that your belief has caused you. No limits on your curious mind? So then you are open to the fact that the Bible could be true, God could be true, and the that hell could be true, and that a religion could be telling the truth and not be poison. Thanx for making that clear. It is unfortunate that your priest was a bad example.
Yes, in a way... it's religious poisoning. It could be poisoning of any kind. For instance, death is allowed in some religions in other countries. Under Allah, being suicidal for the stake of your people is considered religious. That's what's going on with Bin Laden and his men. That's what the Holy War is about.

Not only that, it's in other places as well. Mentally and Psychologically, kids are hurt when they aren't allowed to celebrate specific events with their friends. Imagine one kid out of the whole school... not being allowed to celebrate Halloween. Imagine him going to school one day after Halloween and everyone in class has brought their candies from home. That kid is probably the only one who doesn't have candy. Now, does that seem fair? In our eyes, no... but in that kid's parents eyes, it's the kids in school who are unfair and have been poisoned from the ideas of Halloween.;

There are so many ways of looking at the so-called poisoning thing, but who's right? Maybe the Bible is right. Maybe it's wrong. Maybe Buddahism is right. Maybe Allah is right. Maybe Catholiticism is right. It could be anything.
 
My point is that an individual's belief is going to influence thier opinion on a subject, whether religious or not. The fact that Lunz and Myself would have very different beliefs, his statement of not believing in one God, limits his curious mind, a poisoning that is not religious.
Although a child would feel left out, how fair would it be to make the child participate? How fair would it be for me to "make" someone believe in a God? How fair would it be for God to make someone go to a heaven they don't want to believe in?
The poisoning takes effect when individuals begin to hate each other because they do not believe in the same thing. This isn't always based in religion, just on extreme points of view.
 
DreamSlayer said:
My point is that an individual's belief is going to influence thier opinion on a subject, whether religious or not. The fact that Lunz and Myself would have very different beliefs, his statement of not believing in one God, limits his curious mind, a poisoning that is not religious.
Although a child would feel left out, how fair would it be to make the child participate? How fair would it be for me to "make" someone believe in a God? How fair would it be for God to make someone go to a heaven they don't want to believe in?
The poisoning takes effect when individuals begin to hate each other because they do not believe in the same thing. This isn't always based in religion, just on extreme points of view.

It's so hard to sum up one's beliefs/ I will include something here for you to read that pretty much explains my belief system. Religion is man made. I follow no religion. I am a spiritual person. I believe in a Creative Power. I think religions have done a huge disservice to the understanding of our true nature. They were designed for one group to have control over another. Spirituality is controled by no group. It is inside all life forms and is the essense of Being. I eat no flesh because I respect all life.

God is all loving, never judgmental. God is dual Beings, Mother AND Father.
Life on Earth is for our learning, to overcome the old, control-oriented concepts of guilt, sin and fear. Because Mother and Father God love us, we are given many opportunities to live.

'love God, do good, then shut up and go Home.'
 
Religion score the higher happiness than non-religion. Because it is usually only one path to sense of purpose.

I am not saying that all religious people are happier than non-religious people. Just average, religious people more like happier because they have a greater sense of purpose in life.
 
Religion has good bits to it.

1.Religious art and music.

2.Religious charities and good works.

3.Much religious wisdom and scripture.

4.Human fellowship and togetherness


But....


Religion gets people to believe something untrue.


Religion makes people base the way they run their lives on a falsehood.


Religion stops people thinking in a rational and objective way.


Religion forces people to rely on outside authority, rather than becoming self-reliant.


Religion imposes irrational rules of good and bad behaviour.


Religion divides people, and is a cause of conflict and war.


The hierarchical structure of most religions is anti-democratic, and thus offends basic human rights.


Religion doesn't give equal treatment to women and gay people, and thus offends basic human rights.


Religion obstructs scientific research.


Religion wastes time and money.
 
illustrator said:
Religion score the higher happiness than non-religion. Because it is usually only one path to sense of purpose.

I am not saying that all religious people are happier than non-religious people. Just average, religious people more like happier because they have a greater sense of purpose in life.


Hmm. There is a statistic saying that left-handed people have a shorter life compared to right-handed life. :roll:

Just because it is a statistic doesn't mean it is accurate. There are *many* factors that affects the statistics such as age group (did that statistic ask the older group or the younger group? middle age folks are more prone to be depressed *40ish*, so prehaps they skipped that age group and asked those who were very young and still full of life.) It is hard to ask *EVERY* religious pious and keep track of all records to keep it true and pure. Every statistic is impure because it is impossible to have a perfect population with right backgrounds and then the variable group that has a slightly differnt background but same concept! Everybody is DIFFERENT. Threfore that statistic is biased. I would like to see everything factual regarding to that statistic you gave to us- when was it taken, where was it taken, who were the study groups and so on. Until then, that statistic is worthless to debate upon.

Nothing is accurate 100%. So don't try to base yourself on that ridiculous statistic.
 
gnarlydorkette said:
Hmm. There is a statistic saying that left-handed people have a shorter life compared to right-handed life. :roll:

Just because it is a statistic doesn't mean it is accurate. There are *many* factors that affects the statistics such as age group (did that statistic ask the older group or the younger group? middle age folks are more prone to be depressed *40ish*, so prehaps they skipped that age group and asked those who were very young and still full of life.) It is hard to ask *EVERY* religious pious and keep track of all records to keep it true and pure. Every statistic is impure because it is impossible to have a perfect population with right backgrounds and then the variable group that has a slightly differnt background but same concept! Everybody is DIFFERENT. Threfore that statistic is biased. I would like to see everything factual regarding to that statistic you gave to us- when was it taken, where was it taken, who were the study groups and so on. Until then, that statistic is worthless to debate upon.

Nothing is accurate 100%. So don't try to base yourself on that ridiculous statistic.

you are still too young to understand. I was your age, I don't believe in god and jesus. My life was messy.
 
:roll: My life is not in a mess. I am not using drugs- never have. I don't drink, not even socially. I am doing good in college- gpa is 3.4 so tell me.. is that a mess?
:roll: I shouldn't have gone there with the whole religion issue because everybody assumes I am an Anti-Christ. I am not. I do respect your religion and beliefs. Kudos for you that you have your own lifestyle but I don't respect those pious who forcefully IMPOSE their beliefs on those who just wants some peace to mediate to their own beliefs instead of being preached about how much they are missing out on because they are not following the path of "God".
Everybody has their own religions. If I have to say which religion I belong to, I would say the Church of Felines and Divine Knowledge.

Can we just end on good terms? You seem like a nice person and I don't want to develop some bad foes in AllDeaf. Just accept that everybody is not religious and that the path of God is not for everybody- only those who *needs* it. My dad needs it because he is alcoholic and he has lost his own faith in him. I don't. I am fine with the way i am. I am proud the way I am. I don't need a group to follow. I grew up solo and I don't need anybody to tell me what to do and what to believe in. I will believe whatever I read. Bible is just a story to me. Christian is a religion just like the Pagan. Pagan is religion. I believe that Greek and Roman did have their religion but ended up being labelled as "myths" because they didn't share the same ideology as Christian/Catholics/Islamic.... TO me, all religions are just bunch of ideologies and society status that everybody strives to live up to. John Locke's theory could be a religion too since it carry an ideal lifestyle. Every lifestyle is a religion. Just because ther is a "GOD" doesn't make it the best out of all. I respect everybody, and I am reading and studying all religions but to me, I cannot fathom how could those followers banish others because of the differences of beliefs? This strikes something fishy in the "churches" of the God. ... ah I better stop myself before I end up typing one LONG message which may turn into an essay..

like Christians always preach- peace over the earth. So don't get your underwear all tangly and I won't bite if we just call it quits... I don't want to piss another religious guy in my lifetime. Thank you. At least we can agree to disagree, period. :smash:
 
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Hmm... interest!

I have been read from Time the magazine. The mostly religion is also part of med that help human to keep in faith and keep alive and well. Seem that many people, the religion, believe in miracle. These are so beautiful. Anyone read that article before?
 
Discussion of different beliefs help people better understand other points of view, and question own views. Nothing wrong with discussing or disagreeing, until it becomes fighting. Religion is: Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship. Just because it's not institutionalized doesn't make your belief any less of a religion. Your belief that Christianity is untrue is not an objective statement, it is a subjective one. Your belief is just as subjective as mine is.
Any views on a superior creator being are not only not as well supported as a Christian God, but are just as impossible to prove as fact. Religion does not make an individual believe something untrue... just something that can not be proven, nor disproven. That's why it's a belief, not a fact.
 
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VamPyroX said:
Is there anything that you are against because of your religion or beliefs?

My cousin and friend are against Harry Potter because of its use of wizardry with children.

A customer at a video store I used to work at was against Hocus Pocus cuz of its use of witchcraft while aimed to younger audiences.

My grandparents are against playing with a normal deck of playing cards because of its conflict with their religion. They believe that it's wrong since K represents The Lord, Q represents The Virgin Mary, and J represents Jesus. That's why they only play with Rook playing cards, because it has 1 to 14 instead of A to K. It also uses 4 colors instead of 4 suits.


For me, I'm not really against anything. I'm pretty open-minded.

It reminds me of the movie so called "The Matrix" when Morpheus gave Neo 2 different choices...blue and red pills. Neo has to discover what is truth and what is not truth in Matrix world. So, do you think it is a good idea to encourage younger children to use wizardry?
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