Private vs Public School

[diehardbiker]

What difference would it make?

Reason #1 All politicans are just full of BS!
Reason #2 Politican talk is just as cheap as peanuts.
Reason #3 Since politican don't make much money, thus harder to find good candidates for any political offices anyway!

The real change is needed, completely revamped government! Dump donkeys and elephants! They all are outdated BIG time, and do not provide what we needed at this time.

i have this class in school and omg, they tell LIES IN politics all the time and I think that public schools should be teaching both sides, so that students can see the differences . Politics are the biggest conflict in public schools.

 

[apathrev]

I have seen between public and private schools/homeschooling around them, public school children are more rebellion and private/homeschooling school children are well-manner behaviors and respect.

What an unfair generalization! In my old private middle school back in Chattanooga, I can recall stories of students bringing condems to school as early as 6th grade. There is a local Christian private school, Christian Brother's High School, which is one of the premier private schools in the state. The students there are some of the most rowdy and poor behaved. If anything private school's strict rules will lead to children being more rebellious. I know several kids that came from this particular high school completely turned off to Christianity.

One of my friends told me about a situation in which he marked an X on his hand, which denotes that he is Straight Edge (a drug, tobacco, and alcohol free lifestyle popular amongst punk and hardcore music fans). He was told to remove the X because it reflects bad upon the image of the school.

It is natural for adolescents to rebel, and attempting to constrain their sense of individuality is going to make it worse.

 

[apathrev]

i have this class in school and omg, they tell LIES IN politics all the time and I think that public schools should be teaching both sides, so that students can see the differences . Politics are the biggest conflict in public schools.

What sort of lies?

 

[apathrev]

Thank you for explaining.

No problem.

I don't know why your school didn't teach about indentured servants and slavery. Our Christian school certainly covers it. Our school's curriculum for South Carolina state history uses the same textbook as the public school, which certainly covers slavery. This state played a major role in the sordid business, so it is definately covered in depth.

I don't know why either. I have my own ideas about it having to do with class struggles and such, but I'm not quite sure how it plays into the private school's omission.

I do know that public schools don't cover the Christian perspective of history. Many historic figures were faithful men and women of God whose actions were guided by that faith. That part is usually left out or mocked.

Well, many things in history were done under God's name that should not have been. Christopher Columbus fully believed that he was carrying out God's will by enslaving the natives of Hispanola. He died thinking that. Then there's the myth that this nation was founded upon Christian values. False. Most of the signers of the Declaration of Independance were Deists and Unitarians.

I was under the impression that your private school taught creationism, and your public school taught evolution:
"I'd say about of the quarter of the textbooks' sections were omitted from being taught, and many of those sections just happened to be on topics like evolution, big bang, the Earth's age, etc. I transfer to public school, and am left far behind in these subjects because of what I haven't been taught."

I was left behind when it came to such topics that were omitted by my private school education. But yes, both Creationism and Evolution were covered in my public school science classes, and taught that both are theories and not scientific law.

I'm not talking about Satan worship or backmasking or subliminal messages. I am talking about the lyrics and music, and the life styles of the artists. The lyrics glorify promiscuous sex, alcohol and drug use, violence, foul language, and disrespect. The rhythms, beats, and performances appeal to sensuality. The rock performers (for the most part) live immoral lives. You certainly can't say any of their music glorifies God.

Contemporary "Christian" music is very worldly. It imitates the sound and presentation of secular rock music. Many of the lyrics are not theologically or doctrinally correct and depend heavily on emotionalism. Many of their songs focus on the performer rather than the Lord. The production of their CDs is usually in secular recording studios, and often use worldly back up musicians. It is not acceptable. Our church never uses CCM.

But you are right, that is another topic. Sorry, :topic:

Definetely another discussion at a later date. Perhaps in private.

Righto. I have also seen some great kids in public schools.

The idea that private school students are more well mannered, respectful, and moral than public school students is a major pet peeve of mine.

 

[Reba]

Well Reba, I think that some kids do need a taste and exposure to the real world.

They are surrounded by the "real" world all the time. Children need a haven from the "real" world.

Like some kids are from families that take their love of Jesus to extremes....like ONLY Christian schools, and only Christian camps, and only Christian entertainment.

How is that "extreme"? If someone loves Jesus and enjoys the fellowship of other Christians, why shouldn't they spend time together? Why should they go to the world's camps and entertainment if they don't enjoy those things? Why should they send their children to places that mock their beliefs or encourage rebellion?

...they need to learn that there is a real world out there. Some people say that public school is a good option b/c it creatates witnessing oppertunites etc....

Do you really think that Christians don't know about the "real" world? We know what is out there, and that is the reason we try to protect our children. Children should be innocent. There is no hurry for them to become soiled by the sinful influences of the "real" world. While they are young is the time to develope and strengthen their character against the world influence. While they are young they can learn Bible doctrines and memorize Bible verses. They can be exposed to good Christian role models at school, and get encouragement and support for their beliefs. That is how they learn to witness to unsaved people.

Since when is public education anti-Christian? Most people in our society are Christian

Public schools prohibit practices and mock Christian beliefs. They don't allow the teaching of Creation science, they prohibit the singing of Christmas carols, they don't allow students to express themselves in art with "religious" themes, etc.

Maybe you need a little more exposure to the "real" world. Most people in the United States are NOT born-again Christians, and don't even have basic Bible knowledge. If "most" people were Christians, our society wouldn't be accepting of pornography, drug and alcohol abuse, abortion on demand, sexual perversion, adultery, etc. If "most" people were Christians, people would be flocking to churches every week. Sadly, that is not happening.

 

[Reba]

...The idea that private school students are more well mannered, respectful, and moral than public school students is a major pet peeve of mine.

All children are naturally rebellious. How the schools deal with that behavior is what sets them apart. Our Christian school nips the behavior in the bud. It is not tolerated. The school involves the parents in the discipline.

Public schools allow disrespect and rebellious behavior to continue without consequences. I don't blame all the teachers. Many teachers are forbidden to discipline children in public schools. The school administration does not support the teachers when they try to do the right thing. School principals are too afraid to ruffle the feathers of irate parents.

Recently, in a local public middle school, one teacher tried to discipline her students. The students cussed at her, and threatened to rape and beat her. They vandalized her bicycle. She sent the kids to the principal. The principal sent them back to class. The principal chastised the teacher! She told the teacher that she needed to be more tolerant of her students' behavior. Finally, one of the students hit the teacher. The principal called the police and had them physically remove the teacher!

We have some good teachers in the public schools but they have to deal with lousy curriculum, principals that don't support them, and parents that resist them. School boards worry about political correctness more than the long-term welfare of the children.

 

[apathrev]

Public schools prohibit practices and mock Christian beliefs. They don't allow the teaching of Creation science, they prohibit the singing of Christmas carols, they don't allow students to express themselves in art with "religious" themes, etc.

No offense, but can you please explain how you feel public schools prohibit practices and mock Christian beliefs? I've had the opposite experiences. The school itself never openly endorsed a specific religion, administration was more than willing to accommodate Christian students. A moment of silence was alotted after the daily announcements to allow students to pray. The school's FCS (Fellowship of Christian Students) club was allowed to practice worship and prayer in the school lobby twice a week, and we're given use of the school's auditorium on club days.

 

[apathrev]

All children are naturally rebellious. How the schools deal with that behavior is what sets them apart. Our Christian school nips the behavior in the bud. It is not tolerated. The school involves the parents in the discipline.

I'm glad to hear that. I'd like a school administration with the same policy.

Recently, in a local public middle school, one teacher tried to discipline her students. The students cussed at her, and threatened to rape and beat her. They vandalized her bicycle. She sent the kids to the principal. The principal sent them back to class. The principal chastised the teacher! She told the teacher that she needed to be more tolerant of her students' behavior. Finally, one of the students hit the teacher. The principal called the police and had them physically remove the teacher!

I don't think situations like this are prevailant, though. These are two isolated incidents in which, yes, were gravely mishandled.

In middle school, I tried to break up a fight, and was suspended for it.

 

[Reba]

... These are two isolated incidents in which, yes, were gravely mishandled.

I wish it was an isolated incident. It was actually one of many here. It is a bad policy from the school superintendent on down to each principal. It is a huge story of contention here. That incident was just a sample of what is happening.

 

[Reba]

No offense, but can you please explain how you feel public schools prohibit practices and mock Christian beliefs?

From personal experience and observation I can state that teachers mock Christian beliefs about Creation, sin and salvation, and all kinds of issues. I can't get too specific about some of those incidents because I was a terp in those situations.

For non-personal examples, please check out this link:

http://www.christianlaw.org/

(I do personally know David Gibbs, and he has represented our own church in a past case.)

 

[apathrev]

From personal experience and observation I can state that teachers mock Christian beliefs about Creation, sin and salvation, and all kinds of issues. I can't get too specific about some of those incidents because I was a terp in those situations.

For non-personal examples, please check out this link:

http://www.christianlaw.org/

(I do personally know David Gibbs, and he has represented our own church in a past case.)

If that is the case of teachers mocking students for such reasons, then they need to be removed. How can one teach when they don't even have an open mind?