Police: "OMGZ! This Man is Holding A Water Hose!! SHOOT HIM!!"

warpedpink said:
hmm any chance we're talking about the same thing? see my above post. I think you added details. :)
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oh looks like it but the certain info in your post confused me :lol:

The guy who got killed wasn't standing. he was handcuffed and laid down on the ground. While it may looks like the officer got a slap on the wrist for having 2-years prison for involuntary manslaughter.... his life is already ruined. He's unhireable. He's gonna have a miserable life with unemployment and civil lawsuit after he's out of prison. I wouldn't be surprised if he commit suicide.
 
craigm26 said:
yeah that was a big deal. I worked a wee bit with law enforcement and have been friends with dudes that hold major grudges against them.

Sucks. I don't think the 2 years is really the "Right" amount. The video seemed clear that it was more than that.
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major grudges against who?
 
Jiro said:
oh looks like it but the certain info in your post confused me :lol:

The guy who got killed wasn't standing. he was handcuffed and laid down on the ground. While it may looks like the officer got a slap on the wrist for having 2-years prison for involuntary manslaughter.... his life is already ruined. He's unhireable. He's gonna have a miserable life with unemployment and civil lawsuit after he's out of prison. I wouldn't be surprised if he commit suicide.
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or hits from within prison are ordered.

happens.
 
Jiro said:
oh looks like it but the certain info in your post confused me :lol:

The guy who got killed wasn't standing. he was handcuffed and laid down on the ground. While it may looks like the officer got a slap on the wrist for having 2-years prison for involuntary manslaughter.... his life is already ruined. He's unhireable. He's gonna have a miserable life with unemployment and civil lawsuit after he's out of prison. I wouldn't be surprised if he commit suicide.
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I couldn't remember the details. I just remember someone was shot on BART on NYE . The camera phones caught his last moments and he wasn't doing anything but sitting at the time he was shot
 
warpedpink said:
I couldn't remember the details. I just remember someone was shot on BART on NYE . The camera phones caught his last moments and he wasn't doing anything but sitting at the time he was shot
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That was Grant. He was actually almost all the way handcuffed facedown on the cement when he started to squirm a bit. Officer grabbed the wrong "tool" (tazer instead of gun) and shot him with the gun. Excessive force, sure. Unitentional/heat of the moment/genuine mistake?...not sure...but it would've helped if they had the tazer somewhere else besides the belt. Put it on the collarbone or something.
 
craigm26 said:
yeah that was a big deal. I worked a wee bit with law enforcement and have been friends with dudes that hold major grudges against them.

Sucks. I don't think the 2 years is really the "Right" amount. The video seemed clear that it was more than that.
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Sorry, let me clarify....I have worked with Law enforcement. I have also been friends with dudes who absolutely hate law enforcement.
 
Jiro said:
wait. the police officers you worked with have a grudge against BART officers? why?
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Supertroopers anybody? :laugh2:

No, I don't know if this sort of grudge actually exists and personally don't know of any.
 
Jiro said:
I'd do same as police officer.

idiocy at its finest.... these drunks :roll:
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You mean you don't call this an incident of police brutality like you normally do in your other posts?

:hmm:
 
Steinhauer said:
You mean you don't call this an incident of police brutality like you normally do in your other posts?

:hmm:
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why the :hmm: ?

how exactly is this incident a police brutality? The suspect didn't get beat up.... he got shot.
 
If you're from california, you guys already know that this is going up all over the place ever since Sunday when it happened. Wouldn't be surprised, our cops are known to have the tough stance on things.

His family is saying otherwise.. they are hiring private doctors and investigators to recreate the incident and probably sue the police. It means they feel unjustified on their end, and they probably have a reason to do so, meaning their son was not just a random drunk kid to them.
I know this because some of my old friends are working with the LAPD, it's headline police news for them.

When comes to worse, the guy's life was abruptly ended because someone mistook him for a shady fellow and called the police.

This does say a thing or two, ya know.
One in that people don't trust another as much these days, and two - you shouldn't be getting drunk outside of your own home - on account of what or why?

Seems to contradict popular lifestyle.
 
Reba said:
What popular lifestyle would that be? Public drunkenness?
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Nah. It's another concept entirely.
The norm around these days, is that if you drink heavily alone in your own home outside of events, it is frowned upon when discovered within a social network, such as workplaces or facebook for example. Deviants who don't associate to the custom aside, when I refer to this type of norm, it constitutes individuals who follow the current trend of modern society rather than past norms or previous eras.

Drinking out or with your 'friends', associates and networks attributes to the modernized image.

It is likely a regional norm as it seems to be well accepted in metropolitan areas. In areas of less sparse populations I've noticed it's not as big of a deal.


Simply said, for pointers following my logic:
Getting drunk for a good time is normal and a current norm.
However, life shuns you if you get drunk in your home. Then you get shot or die if you drink outside - thus the contradiction.
 
naisho said:
However, life shuns you if you get drunk in your home. Then you get shot or die if you drink outside - thus the contradiction.
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"Life" isn't a person or organization, so it can't shun anyone. However, your neighbors might shun you if your drunken behavior disturbs their peace or security.

In this situation, the guy wasn't inside his home.

Getting shot or dying isn't the normal consequence for simply drinking outside.

I think you're making too many generalities out of a specific instance.
 
Reba said:
"Life" isn't a person or organization, so it can't shun anyone. However, your neighbors might shun you if your drunken behavior disturbs their peace or security.

In this situation, the guy wasn't inside his home.

Getting shot or dying isn't the normal consequence for simply drinking outside.

I think you're making too many generalities out of a specific instance.
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Referring life to as societal state.. the individuals and people that make up a network, not the physical essence.

Definitions of life on the Web:
a characteristic state or mode of living; "social life"; "city life"; "real life"

That is the point, he wasn't inside his own home. Getting drunk and being outside, lead to consequences whereas being in his own home likely would have left him still on this earth today, but would have made him a topic among his friends for doing so.

I'm using methods from sociology to emphasize on the contradictions of social norms. There isn't any generalization involved, they exist. Our everyday media reflects it.
 
naisho said:
...That is the point, he wasn't inside his own home. Getting drunk and being outside, lead to consequences whereas being in his own home likely would have left him still on this earth today, but would have made him a topic among his friends for doing so.
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If he had been drunk, alone, inside his home, how would that be a topic among his friends? How would they even know he was drunk inside his home?

Getting drunk alone at home wouldn't have the same immediate consequences as this event did but it still carries consequences.
 
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