Obama's Social Security number goes to court

[Beowulf]

Several things here.

1. It was Niger, not South Africa.

2. The government didn't claim that Iraq bought uranium. It only claimed that Iraq sought to buy uranium. That's a subtle but important distinction.

3. Much of our intelligence came from the Clinton years. As for the quotes, there are plenty of quotes Democrats and Clinton administration officials fretting about Saddam's WMD programs dating back to 1998, when Saddam kicked inspectors out of the country. By the time Bush became president, it was pretty much common wisdom in Washington that Saddam was running WMD programs.

4. It was an Italian, Rocco Martino, who passed the documents on to British intelligence. He later told Italian investigators that France paid him to do it and they were using the documents the discredit the US. I'm a bit skeptical of the finger pointing, but the whole forgery thing seems to be between Italy and France. Besides that, the British government investigated and reported that they had relied on other sources of information to back the claim.

5. Joe Wilson was the one who lied. He had to change his story when he went under oath so he wouldn't perjure himself (which, as we discussed, is a felony). The intelligence committee reported that Wilson's report on his trip actually corroborated the belief that Iraq approached Niger about yellow cake uranium, although his reported was not considered very significant at the time.

Eh, you're right, it was Nigerian yellowcake uranium and suspected attempts on purchasing it. When I posted, I didn't bother researching to refresh my memory, which was all I relied on. I do remember when it happened, though, and I knew that Iraq had plenty of yellowcake uranium in their own country, so why would they need to purchase it? I agree that all the fingerpointing is suspect, but one thing I distinctly remember was the massive effort taken to mold public opinion to favor the war. But that is ancient history now, and it looks like all the psy-ops operation were a success: so few of us know the real reasons for the war, and we simply no longer care. Phooey.

 

[darkdog]

Eh, you're right, it was Nigerian yellowcake uranium and suspected attempts on purchasing it. When I posted, I didn't bother researching to refresh my memory, which was all I relied on. I do remember when it happened, though, and I knew that Iraq had plenty of yellowcake uranium in their own country, so why would they need to purchase it? I agree that all the fingerpointing is suspect, but one thing I distinctly remember was the massive effort taken to mold public opinion to favor the war. But that is ancient history now, and it looks like all the psy-ops operation were a success: so few of us know the real reasons for the war, and we simply no longer care. Phooey.

Of course there was an effort to mold public opinion. If you're going to war, you need public support for it if you want the war to be successful. Going to war without making an effort to get the public behind it would be sheer incompetence. But just because they tried to mobilize public support doesn't mean they went so far as to falsify intelligence reports.

 

[jillio]

Ah, so the Republicans do have a chance to win the 2012 Presidential election!

Sure they do. This country elected George W twice. That just goes to show that anything can happen.

So does the Green Party, or a party yet to be formed. Everyone has a chance. Now probability is another thing entirely.

 

[saywhatkid]

Sure they do. This country elected George W twice. That just goes to show that anything can happen.

Or we could re-elect Obama after all the negative crap we have read for the last 2+ years, and lack of noticeable improvement. Wonder how the pundits will spin it if Obama does win?

 

[jillio]

Or we could re-elect Obama after all the negative crap we have read for the last 2+ years, and lack of noticeable improvement. Wonder how the pundits will spin it if Obama does win?

They will find a way. That much is certain.

 

[saywhatkid]

They will find a way. That much is certain.

Yes, sadly. Makes me curious about how people here and elsewhere will react to Conservatives taking control. Will there be silence from the right? Or will they crow about the victory? Either way, I just hope we can get back to running the country, not running away from rumors and witch hunts.

 

[Beowulf]

Of course there was an effort to mold public opinion. If you're going to war, you need public support for it if you want the war to be successful. Going to war without making an effort to get the public behind it would be sheer incompetence. But just because they tried to mobilize public support doesn't mean they went so far as to falsify intelligence reports.

It doesn't mean they didn't either. :P

 

[Reba]

Or we could re-elect Obama after all the negative crap we have read for the last 2+ years, and lack of noticeable improvement. Wonder how the pundits will spin it if Obama does win?

That voters get what they deserve?

 

[darkdog]

It doesn't mean they didn't either. :P

True, but given what we know, does it make sense to keep believing that? I think it makes about as much sense as believing the birther stuff.

 

[jillio]

Yes, sadly. Makes me curious about how people here and elsewhere will react to Conservatives taking control. Will there be silence from the right? Or will they crow about the victory? Either way, I just hope we can get back to running the country, not running away from rumors and witch hunts.

They will crow from the rooftops! No bi-partisanship on the right.

 

[jillio]

That voters get what they deserve?

Personally, I think that concept helped to get Obama elected. No one wanted another Repub in the White House after George W's second term. Many people had the recognition of "OMG! What have we done?"

 

[deafskeptic]

Personally, I think that concept helped to get Obama elected. No one wanted another Repub in the White House after George W's second term. Many people had the recognition of "OMG! What have we done?"

I think also that also will be a factor in the 2012 election. I notice that the Republicans seem to be egging each other to go further right - to the point where there are few viable candidates from that party that appeal to Americans- and that may turn off people as well.

 

[jillio]

I think also that also will be a factor in the 2012 election. I notice that the Republicans seem to be egging each other to go further right - to the point where there are few viable candidates from that party that appeal to Americans- and that may turn off people as well.

Agreed.

 

[Reba]

I think also that also will be a factor in the 2012 election. I notice that the Republicans seem to be egging each other to go further right - to the point where there are few viable candidates from that party that appeal to Americans- and that may turn off people as well.

Only ONE good candidate is necessary.

 

[jillio]

Only ONE good candidate is necessary.

True. But it would appear lately that those on the right have difficulty in agreeing on what would constitute a "good" candidate.

 

[Beowulf]

Only ONE good candidate is necessary.

Yep. Ron Paul.

 

[saywhatkid]

True. But it would appear lately that those on the right have difficulty in agreeing on what would constitute a "good" candidate.

The problem I have is driving down the middle. All the candidates are on the sides. If there ever was one in the middle, I would run them over before I noticed them.

 

[Reba]

The problem I have is driving down the middle. All the candidates are on the sides. If there ever was one in the middle, I would run them over before I noticed them.

That's one of the hazards of the middle of the road.

 

[jillio]

The problem I have is driving down the middle. All the candidates are on the sides. If there ever was one in the middle, I would run them over before I noticed them.

No doubt. All of them are one one side of the middle line. Some are closer to the line, and some are closer to the shoulder of the road.:P

 

[Smithtr]

how change Obama politic? change vote?