Obama says health care this year — or never

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Jiro said:
it's not really about making it a "universal healthcare." obama was mainly pushing for MODERNIZING it... computerizing it..... Less paperworks, better e-tracking system, etc means easier, faster, and cheaper healthcare costs for patients.
I will never support universal healthcare in America. sorry but not in my lifetime. :cool2:
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Just like National ID card, si ? :cool2:
 
Debt need to be recover first to make fair to leave the space to afford the health care for everybody.

If it being pass bill now, then US would be screw up.
 
ASLGAL said:
One of the big problems with those who lament that they are uninsured or underinsured is that they (many not all ) are unwilling to put forth the effort to obtain the free, reduced fee, sliding scale services offered.
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The health care offered in free clinics is substandard compared to those that charge a fee for their services.
 
I believe that health care should be a right for all therefore it should be covered for all.

However, it doesn't mean it's free for anything. For example, if you are found to have a disease and it's clearly caused by your vice (like smoking or heavy drinking), you should pay for healthcare or die. After all, you are the one that's forfieting your right to live.
 
I do believe we need a change in Health Care.

Like Jiro... I will believe it, when I see it.
 
Drastic healthcare change won't happen for many many years. We're doing good just to keep our economy afloat right now.

I'm glad that Obama is at least addressing the issue, and I hope actual steps are put in motion to bring about change, but with the way things are now - nothing drastic will happen.
 
Babyblue said:
Medical, microchip I.D. implants, may be what she is thinking of.
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None of those things are the same as having a national ID card. They're completely different.

Maria does not have to worry about any of the things you mentioned. It will be a very long time (if ever) before they come to fruition. There are too many loopholes and problems associated with microchips for them to be a valid solution to the health care problems in this country.
 
Hear Again said:
What do national ID cards have to do with improving health care?
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Well, since Jiro mentioned about " computerizin' it, better e-trackin' system, easier, faster and cheaper "... it's why I asked him if, he means like National ID card.

National ID card does carry everything inside it ( birthdate/place, social security numbers, and etc., etc. which is more faster and cheaper than paperworks ). It also involves with healthcare. Just sayin'.... that's all.
 
Hear Again said:
None of those things are the same as having a national ID card. They're completely different.

I will research it some more, if there's anything different.

Maria does not have to worry about any of the things you mentioned. It will be a very long time (if ever) before they come to fruition. There are too many loopholes and problems associated with microchips for them to be a valid solution to the health care problems in this country.
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FYI, I am not worryin' about it. I don't let it to get my hair to turn ALL white! :lol: Movin' on, please.... and don't think about me that I am worryin' about over little things. :)
 
Maria said:
Well, since Jiro mentioned about " computerizin' it, better e-trackin' system, easier, faster and cheaper "... it's why I asked him if, he means like National ID card.

National ID card does carry everything inside it ( birthdate/place, social security numbers, and etc., etc. which is more faster and cheaper than paperworks ). It also involves with healthcare. Just sayin'.... that's all.
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Jiro was talking about record keeping procedures that facilitate communication between doctor and third party payers, as well as communication between a general physician and specialists.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Jiro. That is the way I read it.
 
Maria said:
FYI, I am not worryin' about it. I don't let it to get my hair to turn ALL white! :lol: Movin' on, please.... and don't think about me that I am worryin' about over little things. :)
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Okay.
 
Maria said:
Well, since Jiro mentioned about " computerizin' it, better e-trackin' system, easier, faster and cheaper "... it's why I asked him if, he means like National ID card.

National ID card does carry everything inside it ( birthdate/place, social security numbers, and etc., etc. which is more faster and cheaper than paperworks ). It also involves with healthcare. Just sayin'.... that's all.
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They aren't related Maria.
 
jillio said:
Jiro was talking about record keeping procedures that facilitate communication between doctor and third party payers, as well as communication between a general physician and specialists.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Jiro. That is the way I read it.
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yep. that's what we want in America.
 
Maria said:
Just like National ID card, si ? :cool2:
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:nono: not at all.

Maria said:
Well, since Jiro mentioned about " computerizin' it, better e-trackin' system, easier, faster and cheaper "... it's why I asked him if, he means like National ID card.

National ID card does carry everything inside it ( birthdate/place, social security numbers, and etc., etc. which is more faster and cheaper than paperworks ). It also involves with healthcare. Just sayin'.... that's all.
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yes - those computerizing stuff.... that's within hospitals. It's not the same as national ID however - in Denmark, they do have centralized database for health records... meaning any hospitals/physicians can retrieve your medical file and see your medical history. That will never happen in America because we value privacy and despise anything that reeks of Big Brother.

Right now - your record is done by papers and kept at filing cabinet. Because of that - that takes time to retrieve it and it costs money to store many files. Because of that - there's a high chance of errors such as doctor prescribing you antibiotic but didn't see that you are allergic to specific antibiotic in the file because your medical file is too thick or maybe the handwriting was too messy to read. Because your medical file is not easily accessible, your hospital stay is longer and some diagnosis are repeated and more time is wasted... thus causing your medical bills to run high.

With computerized system - the computer will warn doctor that you are allergic to certain antibiotic.
 
Maria said:
Well, since Jiro mentioned about " computerizin' it, better e-trackin' system, easier, faster and cheaper "... it's why I asked him if, he means like National ID card.

National ID card does carry everything inside it ( birthdate/place, social security numbers, and etc., etc. which is more faster and cheaper than paperworks ). It also involves with healthcare. Just sayin'.... that's all.
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United Nations is going takeover all world, be prepare yourself or you will be sorry.

just messing...
 
Jiro said:
:nono: not at all.


yes - those computerizing stuff.... that's within hospitals. It's not the same as national ID however - in Denmark, they do have centralized database for health records... meaning any hospitals/physicians can retrieve your medical file and see your medical history. That will never happen in America because we value privacy and despise anything that reeks of Big Brother.

Right now - your record is done by papers and kept at filing cabinet. Because of that - that takes time to retrieve it and it costs money to store many files. Because of that - there's a high chance of errors such as doctor prescribing you antibiotic but didn't see that you are allergic to specific antibiotic in the file because your medical file is too thick or maybe the handwriting was too messy to read. Because your medical file is not easily accessible, your hospital stay is longer and some diagnosis are repeated and more time is wasted... thus causing your medical bills to run high.

With computerized system - the computer will warn doctor that you are allergic to certain antibiotic.
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:werd: Too much paper and 1,000 places to keep that, crazy aint it eh when you just need a microchipped ID card that keeps all of your records in ONE place...your wallet.

Just dont lose that wallet! That microchipped health record will be someday more valuable than Dead Benny Franklin sitting in the wallet.
 
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