Obama Embraces 'Death Panel' Concept in Medicare Rule

rolling7 said:
On another matter. Does anyone know of a medical issue other than abortion that has been put before the voters. We all should know that those two, PSA and abortion, are hot topics within each state and I'm trying to think of any other possiblity that has been put before the voters. Thanks for the help, if you can think of one and share.

P>S> some may think a sentence of death as justice is a medical issue BUT lets leave that one out.
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Abortion is a federal issue, not a state one. And it is PAS, not PSA. PSAs are something that get tested when looking for a diagnosis of postrate cancer.

The rulings on abortion in Roe v Wade had nothing to do with the procedure being discussed, but with the right to privacy in communications between a doctor and a patient. The legal issues surrounding PAS are regarding the right to lifelong autonomy and confidentiality in communications with one's doctor.

You keep attempting to link things together that are not inherently linked. Looks like a case of trying to fan an flame to me.
 
What does Public Service Announcements have to do with the FDA?

Do all televised campaigns have to be be approved by a drug committee? Is television really that addictive enough to warrant a panel to supervise the content?
 
souggy said:
What does Public Service Announcements have to do with the FDA?

Do all televised campaigns have to be be approved by a drug committee? Is television really that addictive enough to warrant a panel to supervise the content?
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:laugh2:
 
Got a question, when the Obamacare bill was passed, can they still make changes and updates to the new Law?

Yiz
 
yizuman said:
Got a question, when the Obamacare bill was passed, can they still make changes and updates to the new Law?

Yiz
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Yes they can they are already filing for amendments to the bill right now but it will all stay held up in the HOR and not move much further unless one side is willing to compromise with the other and with both sides so focused on pleasing public opinion and their "labeled names" so that they will be re-elected nothing will happen. Some states are also in talks of taking the bill to the supreme court deeming it unconstitutional
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I know. I do believe that people need to be careful (as I've been saying, but, there's a way to protect oneself there, too. In addition to signing a LW, one should also sign a MEDICAL PROXY, whereby, you have someone you trust standing in for you and making decisions for you if need be.)

Btw, people don't realize that even a Living Will can be overroad. All you need to do is tear the dang thing up, and it becomes null and void. I did this after my 2006 experience. After that, I made up ANOTHER one that was a bit more tweaked to make it extremely CLEAR what my wishes were, so that, we don't have a repeat of what happened before. I'm only 42 and I'm by no means terminal. What happened to me was a bit frightening, but, if you approach your health care decisions with clarity (and before a crisis), you can cover your behind quite well. The KEY here is to PLAN before something happens. A lot of people wait until a crisis. This isn't a good idea. A lot of things can go 1000 ways wrong that way! I've been there, done that. I learned a good lesson.

Just be mindful, people. Take this for what it's worth, and if, you don't like what you're being told, go to another Dr. Most importantly, don't panic. Just be informed and make sure you can cover your behind when necessary.
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I agree.
 
jillio said:
You logic is very faulty. FDA has virtually nothing to do with PAS. And your attempt to try and make things the way you want them to be is faulty as well.
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Just what is PAS??? If a doctor wants to "assist" and the government says NO, guess who goes after the doctor for not followering the rules/laws (and yes, the AMA comes into play here).
It follows, as to your next post, YOU are putting the horse before the cart. The DEA is an "enforcement" agency and they fall under the FDA, who, by its establishment of Congress (look up the FDA's charter) has "sole responsibility" to declare anything and everything a drug. This is why the ATF, and not the DEA, goes after cigs. and booze. So far, even if some people want them to be declared as, the FDA has not classified those as drugs to be sold only under a prescription.
Yes, you are right, abortion is a federal issue BUT (and a big BUT) do we want it to be? If so, then why do we have two states with allowable PAS? Should states take a position on abortion just like PAS? If both are personal life/health issues, should not the person and doctor decide and not have the government stick its nose in? If you say yes to one, you must say yes to the other----if you say no to one, then you must say no to the other.
 
rolling7 said:
Just what is PAS??? If a doctor wants to "assist" and the government says NO, guess who goes after the doctor for not followering the rules/laws (and yes, the AMA comes into play here).

It isn't the FDA that goes after him.:laugh2:
It follows, as to your next post, YOU are putting the horse before the cart. The DEA is an "enforcement" agency and they fall under the FDA, who, by its establishment of Congress (look up the FDA's charter) has "sole responsibility" to declare anything and everything a drug. This is why the ATF, and not the DEA, goes after cigs. and booze. So far, even if some people want them to be declared as, the FDA has not classified those as drugs to be sold only under a prescription.

The DEA does not fall under the FDA. You really are misinformed regarding the things you are attempting to speak about.Yes, you are right, abortion is a federal issue BUT (and a big BUT) do we want it to be? If so, then why do we have two states with allowable PAS? Should states take a position on abortion just like PAS? If both are personal life/health issues, should not the person and doctor decide and not have the government stick its nose in? If you say yes to one, you must say yes to the other----if you say no to one, then you must say no to the other.
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Abortion is a Federal issue because Roe v Wade made it such. And states are permitted to have their own set of guidelines regarding the procedure.

And again, you are confused. The premise of Roe v Wade was confidentiality between patient and doctor regarding chosen medical procedures.

Your arguments are making no sense whatsoever.
 
I notice you did not look up the charter for the estblishment of the FDA by Congress.
Is that because doing so you would have to admit I am right?
 
rolling7 said:
I notice you did not look up the charter for the estblishment of the FDA by Congress.
Is that because doing so you would have to admit I am right?
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No. The establishment charter has virtually nothing to do with what we are discussing.
 
Oh, so sorry! I though we were discussing death/FDA.
The FDA declares anything to be/not to be a drug.
The FDA controls the dispendation of drugs....granted, the DEA enforces this
The doctor who wants to help a person "peacefully go" can't because the FDA
says "NO"....granted, in two states the doctor can.
 
rolling7 said:
Oh, so sorry! I though we were discussing death/FDA.
The FDA declares anything to be/not to be a drug.
The FDA controls the dispendation of drugs....granted, the DEA enforces this
The doctor who wants to help a person "peacefully go" can't because the FDA
says "NO"....granted, in two states the doctor can.
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Charter still has absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed. The FDA still has nothing to do with PAS.

The FDA does not say no. State law says no. The FDA doesn't have crap to do with it.

Do you know what the definition of insanity is? Doing (or saying) the same thing over and over expecting different results. Exactly what you are doing. No matter how many ways you try to say it, you are still dead wrong.
 
Well, I can see that a poster has taken this discussion down a long hill to nonsense land.

Outta here!
 
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