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Jiro said:
:aw: don't try so hard. you might burst your blood vessel.
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Yeah, am wondering about that, too. I guess they told and directed the Iraqis to go climb the statue of Saddam to try and get a rope around his neck, drag the statue around, and told them to throw their shoes at the dismembered statue head of Saddam for special effects.
 
Babyblue said:
so that is why they were celebrating the capture of Saddam?

That is why many Iraqis Thank my brother, (who is in Iraq now) for being there to help them?
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Not everyone celebrated Saddam's capture and eventual death. Some people idolized him, so not everyone felt the same way as those who did not support him.

Having said that, I thank your brother for his service even though I do not agree with the war.
 
Hear Again said:
Not everyone celebrated Saddam's capture and eventual death. Some people idolized him, so not everyone felt the same way as those who did not support him.
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some? but the majority celebrated.
 
Hear Again said:
Doesn't matter. They still do not have a democracy and never will.
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but..... they elected their own government..... They also voted to have American troops to leave Iraq. that's why we're leaving :)
 
Hear Again said:
Doesn't matter. They still do not have a democracy and never will.
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Um, they already experienced democracy and Iraq is becoming a democracy whether you believe it or not. Fifteen million Iraqis voted earlier this year in January. Because of the strong turnout, the voting time was actually extended. There were over 400 women running for office in that election. And that Sunnis and Shia voted in the first election with all interested parties taking part. Truly historic.


....the Iraqi Government continued to strengthen democracy, effectively control its territory and improve life for its people. It should continue along those lines, with international support, ahead of the upcoming elections. Significant progress had been made in many areas of life. The January elections had confirmed the Iraqi people’s desire to return to democracy. Strengthened institutions would improve the quality of life for the population. The Electoral Commission, thanks to the support of the Iraqi Government, UNAMI and the international community, had registered important success, ensuring legitimacy and the impartiality of the results. That fruitful cooperation should continue during preparations for the coming elections.
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June 18, 2009, Security Council report.
SECURITY COUNCIL COMMENDS IRAQ ON IMPORTANT EFFORTS TO STRENGTHEN DEMOCRACY, IMPROVE SECURITY, COMBAT SECTARIAN VIOLENCE, IN PRESIDENTIAL STATEMENT
 
Beowulf said:
It took me less than thirty seconds to google this link:
Army report confirms Psy-ops staged Saddam statue toppling - The NewStandard
Yeesh.
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Beowulf said:
How about this one?
Army Stage-Managed Fall of Hussein Statue
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lets look at another news source:

American forces are nowhere near Baghdad
~ Baghdad Bob
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just as credible
 
Jiro said:
some? but the majority celebrated.
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Jiro said:
but..... they elected their own government..... They also voted to have American troops to leave Iraq. that's why we're leaving :)
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hehe, yup.

Hear Again, it's too late to stop the Iraq war, it already currently in war and their government is already changed.

Anyone who is pro-war for Iraq already won the choice for political to invasion of Iraq.
 
Wait and see what happens when troops are withdrawn.:cool2:
 
hopefully the government remains stable :fingersx:


the way things are in the middle east, it's still a crapshoot. anything can happen.

what would happen if their economy collapses if the would grows less dependent on oil? :hmm:

(that was just hypothetical thought that came to mind)
 
jillio said:
Wait and see what happens when troops are withdrawn.:cool2:
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Well, I'm refer as start war in 2003 and too late to get stopped because Iraq has alot of important resource, such as oil and we have to defend it for years.

Sure, I would wait and see, if our troopers withdrawn from Iraq and when Iraq is unable to defend their country or their government declare unstable, along when oil market start screw up, such as oil price goes out of control then it could affect Obama's re-election in 2012.

It's not easier as like Vietnam war does, Vietnam don't have many very important resource as Iraq does.

I wouldn't surprise if Iraqi government need us to keep to defend their country for while.
 
C.C.Sinned said:
hopefully the government remains stable :fingersx:


the way things are in the middle east, it's still a crapshoot. anything can happen.

what would happen if their economy collapses if the would grows less dependent on oil? :hmm:

(that was just hypothetical thought that came to mind)
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With the instability that has been a facet of the middle east for years, it is indeed a crapshoot.

They bolster the economy with opium poppies.:giggle:
 
cocaine's a hell of a drug :drunk:
 
jillio said:
With the instability that has been a facet of the middle east for years, it is indeed a crapshoot.

They bolster the economy with opium poppies.:giggle:
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yeah, kinda like the South American countries with cocaine. the addicts, dealers and smugglers will continue to both thrive and decay...
 
C.C.Sinned said:
hopefully the government remains stable :fingersx:


the way things are in the middle east, it's still a crapshoot. anything can happen.

what would happen if their economy collapses if the would grows less dependent on oil? :hmm:

(that was just hypothetical thought that came to mind)
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I find it hard to believe because the oil is basically bringing billion dollars worth of profits for Iraq. Look at any oil-riched nations including Venezuela. Afghanistan would be a valid concern as they're already dependent on opium sales. $1,000 is enough to make an Iraqi a very rich man with a few wives and some goats.
 
Er, there are 18 provinces in Iraq. Iraqi army and police forces first gain control of their first provice when the coalition forces handed over complete security control over to them starting 3 years ago. Back in April of 2009, already lost by the mainstream media, was the fact that 13 of 18 provinces were already completely under Iraqi control and the other 5 are close behind. It has been a systematic approach where coalition forces gave continuing and increasing respsonsibility over the years until they believed that the Iraqi forces and govt were able to operate on their own and take over control of their own provinces. It's not like they were suddenly given control. It's been a systematic process beginning in July of 2006. And it has been rapid over the last 3 years from one province to now 13 provinces under complete Iraqi govt control with the last 5 provinces almost ready for security transfer.
Multi-National Force - Iraq - Iraqis control first province
DefenseLink News Article: Iraqi Authority Grows with U.S. Handoffs




Now?
 
Jiro said:
I find it hard to believe because the oil is basically bringing billion dollars worth of profits for Iraq. Look at any oil-riched nations including Venezuela. Afghanistan would be a valid concern as they're already dependent on opium sales. $1,000 is enough to make an Iraqi a very rich man with a few wives and some goats.
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how much of those profits are shared with the people of the country?
 
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