No 'Stand Your Ground' for Zimmerman

[Foxrac]

No? Personally I would rather escape if I can but I don't believe anyone should have to give up ground to an assailant to fulfill a legal obligation.

I rather to escape because I don't want deal with lengthly court time and a lot of questions from LEO, even furious battle to be acquittal from homicide or mark as justifiable homicide.

Also, I suffer from PTSD and not want to see any bad things that happen to me.

 

[Foxrac]

I fully support SYG law. nobody has to retreat.

I fully support a full weight of justice on vigilantism especially a cop-wannabe. nobody has a license to kill.

How you feel if juries acquit Zimmerman from murder based on SYG law?

I want know about how many defendants tried SYG law and failed in Florida - unsuccessful battle in the court based on SYG law.

 

[Jiro]

How you feel if juries acquit Zimmerman from murder based on SYG law?

*shrug* then I hope Zimmerman will do something productive for once in his life like helping people instead of chasing a hopeless dream of being a cop or similar.

I want know about how many defendants tried SYG law and failed in Florida - unsuccessful battle in the court based on SYG law.

probably few.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

Are you a witness?

I read the 911 report, and the cops asked Zimmerman if he was following Martin and Zimmerman said he yes he was!


http://phoebe53.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/zimmerman-911-call-transcript-trayvon-martin/



You can read it for yourself!

 

[saywhatkid]

Touche'!

I should have caught that. From my years as a journalist, future events are always "scheduled."

Was unaware of your experience in journalism. That explains your use of "allegedly" in other posts. I try to do the same.

Should be an interesting trial, whenever it starts.

 

[Foxrac]

*shrug* then I hope Zimmerman will do something productive for once in his life like helping people instead of chasing a hopeless dream of being a cop or similar.

probably few.

I have same feeling as well and he will deal with civil lawsuits too.

 

[CrazyPaul]

I read the 911 report, and the cops asked Zimmerman if he was following Martin and Zimmerman said he yes he was!

Did he keep following Martin after he was told by the 911 operator (not the cops) that he was not needed to do that?

 

[Reba]

...Also, I suffer from PTSD and not want to see any bad things that happen to me.

No one wants to see bad things happen to themselves. It's not just people with PTSD. I don't have PTSD but I still don't want to see any bad things happen to me.

 

[jonnyghost]

I rather to escape because I don't want deal with lengthly court time and a lot of questions from LEO, even furious battle to be acquittal from homicide or mark as justifiable homicide.

Also, I suffer from PTSD and not want to see any bad things that happen to me.

I think most people agree it's best to avoid any situations where you have to defend yourself. Problem is you don't always have the choice. Sometimes the bad guy makes that choice not you. The problem i have with a legal requirement to try to escape first is that puts you at a disatvantage when your already behind the 8 ball. Most conflicts happen in seconds. Your reaction will be slower than your attackers action and now you have to figure out if you can escape before you can take fight back. Plus its easy for a lawyer to point out how you could have gotten away after the fact. Much harder when some one is trying to stab you etc.

The thing i like about stand your ground is it gives anyone who is leagally justified to defend themselves the right to do so anywhere they have a legal right to be with less fear of prosocution or civil lawsuits. It gives you the freedom to act when nessisary and protects you from the legal system that can tear up even innocent people.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

Did he keep following Martin after he was told by the 911 operator (not the cops) that he was not needed to do that?

I am sorry if you do not get it that Zimmerman was the stalking Martin the whole time. Zimmerman said Martin was up to no good so why the hell would Zimmerman get out of his car if he believe Martin had an unknown object in his waistband ? There is something very suspicious about Zimmerman story. Most people would stayed in their car and waited for the cops to come Zimmerman did not do that! If he had Martin more than likely would still be alive!

 

[Jiro]

Did he keep following Martin after he was told by the 911 operator (not the cops) that he was not needed to do that?

I am sorry if you do not get it that Zimmerman was the stalking Martin the whole time. Zimmerman said Martin was up to no good so why the hell would Zimmerman get out of his car if he believe Martin had an unknown object in his waistband ? There is something very suspicious about Zimmerman story. Most people would stayed in their car and waited for the cops to come Zimmerman did not do that! If he had Martin more than likely would still be alive!

sssssssshhhhh. time to agree to disagree and move on. we've already have 2+ threads locked up over this circular argument.

 

[rockin'robin]

sssssssshhhhh. time to agree to disagree and move on. we've already have 2+ threads locked up over this circular argument.

Darn tootin'....watch ur blood pressure pls. ....Just hoping it's a fair and just trial coming up....and guessing the announcement was just to keep this in front of the media....

 

[Foxrac]

sssssssshhhhh. time to agree to disagree and move on. we've already have 2+ threads locked up over this circular argument.

Of course, I'm tired to hear about argument over Martin or Zimmerman.

The decision is ultimately up to court, that it.

 

[Foxrac]

I think most people agree it's best to avoid any situations where you have to defend yourself. Problem is you don't always have the choice. Sometimes the bad guy makes that choice not you. The problem i have with a legal requirement to try to escape first is that puts you at a disatvantage when your already behind the 8 ball. Most conflicts happen in seconds. Your reaction will be slower than your attackers action and now you have to figure out if you can escape before you can take fight back. Plus its easy for a lawyer to point out how you could have gotten away after the fact. Much harder when some one is trying to stab you etc.

The thing i like about stand your ground is it gives anyone who is leagally justified to defend themselves the right to do so anywhere they have a legal right to be with less fear of prosocution or civil lawsuits. It gives you the freedom to act when nessisary and protects you from the legal system that can tear up even innocent people.

I think that SYG laws only make immune to crime charges if you have prove as justifiable homicide, however it won't avoid any civil lawsuits because crime and civil cases are separated. The judge could dismiss the civil lawsuit if they have reason.

If someone point the gun at you - that means you have no way to retreat so you can use deadly weapon to kill or injure the offender. That's usually classic self defense. The SYG law made change to remove the duty of retreat so it means defendant can shoot the offender to death, even if it is easy to retreat.

My major concern with SYG law - because of license to kill so it means someone can kill me for no reason so quickly to claim as self defense. I don't feel any safe in my state and if I put LGBT bumper sticker on my car so angry, anti-gay man could follow me and simply shoot at me to death so tell police about self defense, it is all done. I didn't know until my aunt's friend had her life in threat because she has pro-democrat bumper sticker on back of her car and angry man followed her to stop, then he intimidated her with handgun and questioned her if she support democrats so she denied it (in pretend) because her family support democrats. The man decided to let her go but he destroyed her bumper sticker with knife, also damaged her car too.

I feel that I have no freedom without compromise in safety. :roll:

 

[jonnyghost]

I'm sorry to hear about what happened to your aunt but that has nothing to do with syg and you have to be justified in self defence to be able to use it. If someone walks up and shoots you for no good reason they are going to have a hard time claiming self defence.

Some states syg laws do have civil immunity.

Also, many self defence situations aren't as clear cut as someone pointing a gun at you.

 

[jonnyghost]

On top of that i see no ethical reason for someone to retreat if they are otherwise within their rights. It is the criminal who decided to attack the victim. They could simply refrain from attacking and avoid getting hurt.

 

[Foxrac]

On top of that i see no ethical reason for someone to retreat if they are otherwise within their rights. It is the criminal who decided to attack the victim. They could simply refrain from attacking and avoid getting hurt.

We need improve the education and employment (offer better pay, better working condition, better lifestyle) to keep criminals off the street.

We may need reform our prison style to make similar to Japan prison - most strictest prison in the world with less recidivism rate.

I know it is expensive.

 

[jonnyghost]

We need improve the education and employment (offer better pay, better working condition, better lifestyle) to keep criminals off the street.

We may need reform our prison style to make similar to Japan prison - most strictest prison in the world with less recidivism rate.

I know it is expensive.

I don't disagree but that's another issue. We will never get rid of all crime and people still have the right to self defense.

 

[VacationGuy234]

We need improve the education and employment (offer better pay, better working condition, better lifestyle) to keep criminals off the street.

We may need reform our prison style to make similar to Japan prison - most strictest prison in the world with less recidivism rate.

I know it is expensive.

For the most part, yes, all that goes a long way to solving crime, but that only affects the people who want to be productive in society.

It has always been the case that crime is glorified as entertainment. Just take a look at movies like Scarface or books about pirates. Like anything else, those things make people believe a life of crime is a good thing.

Zimmerman, was just as impressionable. He wanted to be a police officer just as we glorify cops and firemen without explaining what goes into really becoming a cop or or fireman.

On both sides: People get the wrong impression about what it takes to reap the rewards, cops get training and criminals go to prison(it's part of that life).

 

[CrazyPaul]

sssssssshhhhh. time to agree to disagree and move on. we've already have 2+ threads locked up over this circular argument.

That depends. If WDYS shuts up, then I will do the same.