No Easy Day

[Reba]

How long do you think it would take the other SEALs to take rollcall and figure out who it is?

I'm sure his shipmates knew who he was. That's irrelevant to what FOX did unless it was one of the other SEALs who gave them the name.

How do you think FOX News got the name?

You tell me.

This guy has done a terrible disservice and FOX has the responsiblity of keeping the public informed.

If the SEAL author did something he shouldn't, the authorities could have prosecuted him without FOX's disclosure. There was no benefit to the public knowing his name.

Even A.P. has done its responsibility. I would not hold my breath waiting for the levees to do so. You and I can disagree but how about letting all Americans have the chance to take sides, yours or mine. And how are all Americans suppose to do so if most of MM bury this?

Since it's in the public domain, I don't see how it's being "buried."

Is CNN "MM" to you? They didn't cover it up:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/seal-identity-revealed/index.html?iref=allsearch

 

[rolling7]

CNN is MM to me but they did not really report on the story (see post#1).
What CNN did was to attack FOX News for keeping the American public aware.

 

[Jiro]

CNN is MM to me but they did not really report on the story (see post#1).
What CNN did was to attack FOX News for keeping the American public aware.

aware of what? and why not attack the validity of the story instead of releasing his name? was it necessary to expose him? CNN and bunch of people were calling Fox News to get to bottom of it and Fox News declined to answer any of the questions nor explain their action.

 

[rolling7]

I don't agree with FOX's decision to release the author's name.

I also strongly believe that the author should have submitted his book thru DoD channels to get it cleared before publishing. I'm sure he knew the rules.

And it is the job of MM to keep the public aware that this guy did not go through channels..........who else is going to do that besides FOX News and A.P.?

 

[Foxrac]

CNN is MM to me but they did not really report on the story (see post#1).
What CNN did was to attack FOX News for keeping the American public aware.

There is no mainstream media in my book and you are just silly about label as mainstream media.

No, it is wrongful and unacceptable for Fox News to release the real name, without their consent. It looks like you don't understand Jiro's post at all and you need serious help. I found that you are just wrong and very unrelated.

 

[Jiro]

At least I got one fact right....you are a bully.

I think it's becoming very tiresome to hear you keep saying that I'm a bully. You should know what you're supposed to do - report me to mod if you feel that I am bullying you but to keep continuing to repeat this baseless accusation over and over again.... you are slandering me and you're being a troublemaker.

Just because a publisher says the material is not classified does not mean the DOD agrees. That has to come straight from the horse's mouth......and that is a fact.

first of all... the FACT is the book has not been released yet and we do not know what's inside the book.

 

[Foxrac]

And it is the job of MM to keep the public aware that this guy did not go through channels..........who else is going to do that besides FOX News and A.P.?

What hell are you talking about "keep the public aware"?

I don't see OP mentions that.

 

[Foxrac]

I think it's becoming very tiresome to hear you keep saying that I'm a bully. You should know what you're supposed to do - report me to mod if you feel that I am bullying you but to keep continuing to repeat this baseless accusation over and over again.... you are slandering me and you're being a troublemaker.


first of all... the FACT is the book has not been released yet and we do not know what's inside the book.

I can tell you - you are not bullying at all but it is just how debate works. The debate can be very ugly for sure and this member doesn't know how to handle with debate topic. I'm getting tired of rolling's old habit over forum.

 

[rolling7]

I think it's becoming very tiresome to hear you keep saying that I'm a bully. You should know what you're supposed to do - report me to mod if you feel that I am bullying you but to keep continuing to repeat this baseless accusation over and over again.... you are slandering me and you're being a troublemaker.


first of all... the FACT is the book has not been released yet and we do not know what's inside the book.

"We" don't know what is inside this unreleased book and "we" are not supposed to.
However, "others" do know what is inside this book and "others" are not supposed to. The author did not clear it with DoD before hand.

 

[rolling7]

I can tell you - you are not bullying at all but it is just how debate works. The debate can be very ugly for sure and this member doesn't know how to handle with debate topic. I'm getting tired of rolling's old habit over forum.

I can handle a debate just fine. However, there is no debate at all when one side is taking control of what is or what is not facts. That point is all in his mind that he can decide for all of us what is a fact and what is not (see post #12). Besides he offered no facts of this own, only opinions and posted links to articles. All I have offered is IMO (see post #5) and I will not be told by anyone what I can/cannot think. I'm not going to change and let a member try to walk all over me. If you are tired of this, take it to ALEX or the mods. I'll remind you of a former member who tried to take control on AD and tell every other member what was true/false, fact/non-fact, etc. and that was ugly and it was necessary for me to stand up to this ex-member.

 

[Reba]

And it is the job of MM to keep the public aware that this guy did not go through channels..........who else is going to do that besides FOX News and A.P.?

They could do that without using the guy's real name.

 

[rolling7]

They could do that without using the guy's real name.

Yes, they could in both of us minds but it is a fact of life that MM is all about being first. I do not consider the NYTimes book review to be news reporting. While I do not consider the National Esquire or such to be MM, it is still the responsibility of MM to report the news fairly. Otherwise we don't have "freedom of the press", what we have is "freedom to frame a story anyway we wish."
You and I agree this guy should have got clearance from DoD first, not the publisher (that is putting the cart before the horse). And you and I know that what gets published is not ALL this guy revealed to the publishers. Therefore, someone unauthorized is walking around with military secrets, putting others in the military at risk.

Many other authors have written under different named but they were not (to the best of my knowledge) committing a possible federal crime. I'm speaking of the likes of Stephen King. IMO no person that did what this guy did deserves not to be called out. It is also IMO that he does not wants his name revealed because he is hiding something, we already know about DoD clearance.

So, again IMO, FOX News and A.P. did the right thing in putting this story out to the public. I wish I could say more about what MM is/is not informing the public about but the political items are off-limit.

 

[saywhatkid]

And it is the job of MM to keep the public aware that this guy did not go through channels..........who else is going to do that besides FOX News and A.P.?

You must be a fan of Wikileaks. Seriously, there is a reason the names were withheld. Are you going to demand the names of all FBI and CIA personnel? After all, they are working for US taxpayers.

 

[Foxrac]

I can handle a debate just fine. However, there is no debate at all when one side is taking control of what is or what is not facts. That point is all in his mind that he can decide for all of us what is a fact and what is not (see post #12). Besides he offered no facts of this own, only opinions and posted links to articles. All I have offered is IMO (see post #5) and I will not be told by anyone what I can/cannot think. I'm not going to change and let a member try to walk all over me. If you are tired of this, take it to ALEX or the mods. I'll remind you of a former member who tried to take control on AD and tell every other member what was true/false, fact/non-fact, etc. and that was ugly and it was necessary for me to stand up to this ex-member.

Not really, you complained about Jiro is bullying at you and that means you can't handle with debate. Jiro is free to disagree with you or try to correct your post, or flawed statement. That's just how debate works. You had been banned several times and when you will change your behavior. Everytime, when I see you in event current section, you always attack Jiro all time, even we proved that you are wrong, make unrelated or nonsense comment. Alex and moderators already aware about those problem and you are going on their watch list if you don't tame it up. :roll:

 

[Jiro]

Yes, they could in both of us minds but it is a fact of life that MM is all about being first. I do not consider the NYTimes book review to be news reporting. While I do not consider the National Esquire or such to be MM, it is still the responsibility of MM to report the news fairly. Otherwise we don't have "freedom of the press", what we have is "freedom to frame a story anyway we wish."
You and I agree this guy should have got clearance from DoD first, not the publisher (that is putting the cart before the horse). And you and I know that what gets published is not ALL this guy revealed to the publishers. Therefore, someone unauthorized is walking around with military secrets, putting others in the military at risk.

Many other authors have written under different named but they were not (to the best of my knowledge) committing a possible federal crime. I'm speaking of the likes of Stephen King. IMO no person that did what this guy did deserves not to be called out. It is also IMO that he does not wants his name revealed because he is hiding something, we already know about DoD clearance.

So, again IMO, FOX News and A.P. did the right thing in putting this story out to the public. I wish I could say more about what MM is/is not informing the public about but the political items are off-limit.

so why did Fox News refuse to answer anybody's question about releasing his name to public? They must be hiding.

 

[Reba]

Yes, they could in both of us minds but it is a fact of life that MM is all about being first. I do not consider the NYTimes book review to be news reporting. While I do not consider the National Esquire or such to be MM, it is still the responsibility of MM to report the news fairly. Otherwise we don't have "freedom of the press", what we have is "freedom to frame a story anyway we wish."
You and I agree this guy should have got clearance from DoD first, not the publisher (that is putting the cart before the horse). And you and I know that what gets published is not ALL this guy revealed to the publishers. Therefore, someone unauthorized is walking around with military secrets, putting others in the military at risk.

Many other authors have written under different named but they were not (to the best of my knowledge) committing a possible federal crime. I'm speaking of the likes of Stephen King. IMO no person that did what this guy did deserves not to be called out. It is also IMO that he does not wants his name revealed because he is hiding something, we already know about DoD clearance.

So, again IMO, FOX News and A.P. did the right thing in putting this story out to the public. I wish I could say more about what MM is/is not informing the public about but the political items are off-limit.

I really don't care about "MM" and what they do or don't reveal. That's not relevant to this topic.

Yes, the author should have followed procedure for submitting his manuscript but that doesn't make it right for FOX, or any other media outlet, to reveal his real name. Revealing the author's name does NOT help the situation in the least.

 

[Reba]

so why did Fox News refuse to answer anybody's question about releasing his name to public? They must be hiding.

Maybe they regret what they did now that they see public sentiment doesn't support their revelation.

It's kind of like the American FOX version of the scandal that happened with the "news gathering" techniques in Great Britain.

 

[soulchill]

Questions raised after SEAL's identity revealed - CNN.com




This thread is about Fox News releasing Mark Owen's real name to public and nothing else. Focos Focus Focus. Feel free to create a new thread for another angle.

Where I stand.... Fox News' releasing of this hero's real name to public is considered traitorous and unpatriotic.

I don't really feel that Fox's action's were traitorous as their impact isn't so much against the US, as they outed a single individual. Also, the book isn't out, I do think it is irresponsible in that it potentially exposed individuals to harm. Not so sure I agree with unpatriotic either, but don't dispute that they might love getting a scoop more than the US.

For treason, definition 1 - I'm not aware of any agreement or trust between the author and Fox News. If there was an agreement for an interview or material that was violated, then I'm wrong here, they betrayed the author or his publisher's trust. definition 2 - Their naming of an individual doesn't appear to seek to overthrow the government.

From merriam-webster.com
traitorous
1: guilty or capable of treason
2: constituting treason

treason
1: the betrayal of trust
2: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

From where I stand, I don't like what Fox has done, but unfortunately they were within their rights.

 

[saywhatkid]

From where I stand, I don't like what Fox has done, but unfortunately they were within their rights.

Just like National Enquirer.

 

[soulchill]

Perhaps the leaking of the name was from someone within the DoD/military as a form of retribution, similar to accusations about Valerie Plame being outed as CIA operative in retaliation for article by her husband? No facts to base either on.