New evidence on Zimmerman's case

[Jiro]

No reason for you to get so upset. I have no idea what your answer would be....Topic hasn't been on the boards in quite a while.

I thought you were gonna move on? I guess not? *shrug*

 

[Foxrac]

For me, George Zimmerman is in middle of dispute, really, really heavily disputed, so it will be best for jurors to say about those situation, however my uncle told me that SYG law doesn't apply if you introduce someone into danger and the judge will use test if defendants are eligible to have case dismissed based on SYG law, so I know about murder cases, the defendants will try to use SYG law to get case dismissed after kill anyone for no reason, or kill someone that you don't like, so the court in Alabama is more tighten than in Florida.

 

[TXgolfer]

I thought you were gonna move on? I guess not? *shrug*

Umm, I did. I haven't asked again. It's cool.

 

[Jiro]

Umm, I did. I haven't asked again. It's cool.

cool

 

[Steinhauer]

yes. why did he invite himself to danger when he reported it to cop and why did he approach to danger far away from his car?

Because he was a neighborhood watch captain. It was his job to report suspicious activity to the police.

Is it illegal to walk a certain length away from one's car? Was Zimmerman breaking any laws?

No.

Is it illegal to punch someone in the face, break their nose, then smash their head in the concrete?

Yes.

 

[Jiro]

Because he was a neighborhood watch captain.

self-appointed and unregistered and untrained.

he was sharply criticized by an official neighborhood watch organization and sheriffs for being armed and getting physically involved. he was, in fact, not on "duty" when he spotted a suspicious individual. he was on the way home from grocery.

It was his job to report suspicious activity to the police.

precisely! that should be the only extent of his engagement.

1. let's not forget that he's not a police officer.
2. let's not forget that he wanted to be a cop and he was fired as a security guard for being overly aggressive and hostile.
3. let's not forget that he had troubled personal life with his wife.
4. let's not forget that he had a felony arrest... not once but twice.
5. let's not forget that he had a domestic violence charge.
6. let's not forget that he had a restraining order filed against him.
7. let's not forget that he was medicated with known side effects that caused paranoia, hallucination, and aggression.

and lastly... let's not forget that an armed citizen is not legally allowed to approach any danger and a police officer is legally allowed to approach a danger. oh and Charles Bronson is illegally allowed to approach a danger too.

Is it illegal to walk a certain length away from one's car? Was Zimmerman breaking any laws?

No.

yes by confronting him and accusing him and creating a hostile situation AFTER the fact.

Is it illegal to punch someone in the face, break their nose, then smash their head in the concrete?

Yes.

no. why is Zimmerman allowed to defend himself but Trayvon is not allowed to defend himself? was Trayvon breaking the law?

there's a difference between approaching a danger and retreating from a danger.

 

[Steinhauer]

You don't have to be "on duty" to call 911 and report suspicious behavior.

He was breaking no laws.

You keep claiming that Zimmerman confronted Treyvon ... where is your proof?

And yes, it is illegal to punch someone in the face, break their nose and then smash their head in the pavement. No matter how hard you try to spin the facts.

 

[Foxrac]

You don't have to be "on duty" to call 911 and report suspicious behavior.

He was breaking no laws.

You keep claiming that Zimmerman confronted Treyvon ... where is your proof?

And yes, it is illegal to punch someone in the face, break their nose and then smash their head in the pavement. No matter how hard you try to spin the facts.

What is most ugliest battle between you and Jiro, so nothing about your statement is correct or wrong, so the decision will up to the court, however I'm glad that you are not serving a jury duty for George Zimmerman's case.

That why forum admin and moderators locked or trash the threads whatever discuss about George Zimmerman.

 

[Jiro]

You don't have to be "on duty" to call 911 and report suspicious behavior.

You neglected to mention that he pursued a suspicious individual and putting himself in danger. He did not have to invite himself to a danger AFTER THE FACT. It's very much illegal to do so when you're armed.

He was breaking no laws.

yes he did. that's why he was charged with murder. Trayvon wasn't breaking any law either so what gave Zimmerman right to profile him, accuse him, and confront him in a hostile manner? Why didn't Zimmerman mind his own business if NO crime had NOT occurred?

a bag of skittle and Arizona can... oh jeez. that's one some sick paranoid prick. I would have shot him on sight if Zimmerman approached me like that. no question asked. this is how it would have happened - Zimmerman approached me in a hostile manner yelling at me, and chasing me as I'm running away from him. He caught up to me and I immediately shot him dead with 2 HP rounds - center mass - zero chance of survival for him. I call 911 and report shooting. Police arrives and interrogates me. I asserts my SYG clause. Police finds gun on him and detectives confirms that he had criminal history and a known history of violence. Case closed. I go home and NRA prints my story in its monthly issue.

You keep claiming that Zimmerman confronted Treyvon ... where is your proof?

and where is your proof for your claim?

btw - Zimmerman's action does not meet legal standard of SYG law. that's why his SYG legal shield was voided and now he's charged with murder in 2nd degree. that's death penalty. time's just ticking till he's found guilty. there's absolutely no chance of acquittal. absolutely none. since you disagree - there's absolutely no reason to continue this farce.

And yes, it is illegal to punch someone in the face, break their nose and then smash their head in the pavement. No matter how hard you try to spin the facts.

again.... why is it illegal to shoot but not illegal to punch? defense is a defense.

in order to defend myself against a hostile individual - I would punch someone in the face, break his nose, and smash his head in the pavement. heck - that's what police officer and anybody would do to defend themselves.

 

[Steinhauer]

You neglected to mention that he pursued a suspicious individual and putting himself in danger. He did not have to invite himself to a danger AFTER THE FACT. It's very much illegal to do so when you're armed.


Please cite the code section for this

yes he did. that's why he was charged with murder. Trayvon wasn't breaking any law either so what gave Zimmerman right to profile him, accuse him, and confront him in a hostile manner? Why didn't Zimmerman mind his own business if NO crime had NOT occurred?

Except when he violently confronted Zimmerman, punched him in the face breaking GZ's nose, then beating his head on the ground. That would be when GZ shot Treyvon.

a bag of skittle and Arizona can... oh jeez. that's one some sick paranoid prick. I would have shot him on sight if Zimmerman approached me like that. no question asked. this is how it would have happened - Zimmerman approached me in a hostile manner yelling at me, and chasing me as I'm running away from him. He caught up to me and I immediately shot him dead with 2 HP rounds - center mass - zero chance of survival for him. I call 911 and report shooting. Police arrives and interrogates me. I asserts my SYG clause. Police finds gun on him and detectives confirms that he had criminal history and a known history of violence. Case closed. I go home and NRA prints my story in its monthly issue.


Where is your proof this happened?

and where is your proof for your claim?

did you happen to notice the picture the Prosecution was forced to release?

btw - Zimmerman's action does not meet legal standard of SYG law. that's why his SYG legal shield was voided and now he's charged with murder in 2nd degree. that's death penalty. time's just ticking till he's found guilty. there's absolutely no chance of acquittal. absolutely none. since you disagree - there's absolutely no reason to continue this farce.

You are not the judge in this case and neither am I. I have not predetermined GZ's guilt as that goes against every fiber of the intent of our justice system. He is innocent until proven guilty. Period.


again.... why is it illegal to shoot but not illegal to punch? defense is a defense.

Do dead people break someone's nose and bash heads in the ground? Treyvon had no wounds other than gunshot wounds. GZ, on the other hand, had a broken nose and the back of his head was busted. These circumstances clearly indicate whom confronted whom. Like the saying goes "Dead men don't tell tales".

in order to defend myself against a hostile individual - I would punch someone in the face, break his nose, and smash his head in the pavement. heck - that's what police officer and anybody would do to defend themselves.

Except the police, in this case, sided with GZ.

Just a few things to think about - I would not go punching a hostile individual, I would walk away. Which is what GZ was doing (walking to his car) when Treyvon circled around a building and confronted GZ violently. If Treyvon had continued walking to his home and avoided Zimmerman, he would still be alive.

If I was punched, tackled then had my head hit on cement ....

And, for the record, there is absolutely no evidence supporting your claim that Zimmerman initiated a physical confrontation with Treyvon. There is, however, much more evidence indicating Treyvon attacked GZ.

 

[TXgolfer]

and where is your proof for your claim?

btw - Zimmerman's action does not meet legal standard of SYG law. that's why his SYG legal shield was voided and now he's charged with murder in 2nd degree. that's death penalty. time's just ticking till he's found guilty. there's absolutely no chance of acquittal. absolutely none. since you disagree - there's absolutely no reason to continue this farce..

Max for 2nd Degree Murder in FL is Life in Prison.

 

[Jiro]

Max for 2nd Degree Murder in FL is Life in Prison.

actually no. since he murdered a minor.... and along with his criminal record and a history of violence... that's death penalty.

 

[Jiro]

willy wonka woka

okie dokie

 

[Jiro]

Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
History.—s. 1, ch. 2005-27.

therefore.... Zimmerman failed to meet legal standards of SYG.

 

[TXgolfer]

actually no. since he murdered a minor.... and along with his criminal record and a history of violence... that's death penalty.

The Charge is 2nd Degree Murder....The maximum sentence for 2nd Degree Murder in Florida is Life in Prison.

 

[Jiro]

and still... there's no new "slam-dunk" evidence or whatsoever to exonerate Zimmerman...

 

[CrazyPaul]

thank you for proving me right. the fact that Zimmerman started to approached him was more than enough to invalidate his SYG defense. He, in fact, invited himself to danger. Why? cuz he had a gun and he felt like a police officer.

What danger? Do you mean that he invited himself to Trayvon who was a danger?

The police report didn't indicate that he approached Trayvon and yet you said "in fact". WTF?

 

[whatdidyousay!]

Apparently you are not familiar with SYG laws. It is not illegal to follow someone whom you think is suspicious. It is illegal, however, to punch someone in the nose and repeatedly smash their head on the ground.

That incident which you have shied away from is the crux of the matter. GZ had the right to defend himself from that. Anyone does. If Trayvon had kept on walking and had not approached GZ in a combative manner he would be alive today.

Zimmerman was not being threaten by Martin when he saw him . If Zimmerman thought Martin was a dangerous person why the HELL did Zimmerman get out of his car?? What was Zimmerman motives for leaving the safety of his car? Since when is it a crime to walk in the rain ,Martin may had been worried about some strange man following him and was trying to see if he was being setup to be attack by a gang of men. Zimmerman is a the one that is a danger to the society , I would not want him living in my town. Are you joking ?? What the HELL would had done if you had some strange guy in a car was following you around? Anyone in their right mind would had been frighten by Zimmerman and Martin was a teenager being followed by an older man. Zimmerman could had been a sex defender that like teenage boys as far as Martin knew. Martin was not being combative , he mostly likely saw Zimmerman's gun and was fighting for his life. Only two people know what really happen that night and one is dead and Zimmerman is going lies through his teeth to save his fat ass!

 

[CrazyPaul]

Zimmerman was not being threaten by Martin when he saw him . If Zimmerman thought Martin was a dangerous person why the HELL did Zimmerman get out of his car?? What was Zimmerman motives for leaving the safety of his car? Since when is it a crime to walk in the rain ,Martin may had been worried about some strange man following him and was trying to see if he was being setup to be attack by a gang of men. Zimmerman is a the one that is a danger to the society , I would not want him living in my town. Are you joking ?? What the HELL would had done if you had some strange guy in a car was following you around? Anyone in their right mind would had been frighten by Zimmerman and Martin was a teenager being followed by an older man. Zimmerman could had been a sex defender that like teenage boys as far as Martin knew. Martin was not being combative , he mostly likely saw Zimmerman's gun and was fighting for his life. Only two people know what really happen that night and one is dead and Zimmerman is going lies through his teeth to save his fat ass!

Oh, fucking no! GZ didn't think that TM was dangerous in the first place. He suspected that TM planned to break in a house so he called 911. TM didn't like what he saw so he got pissed off and confronted GZ to beat him up. I am sure that's what GZ's lawyer will tell the jury.

 

[Steinhauer]

and still... there's no new "slam-dunk" evidence or whatsoever to exonerate Zimmerman...

Yes there is. That was why he was never charged the first and second time this was looked into. Then, when the media stepped in (like NBC, when they edited the 911 call) everyone wanted Zimmerman "the racist" locked up.

He will go free