New evidence on Zimmerman's case

[Steinhauer]

George Zimmerman sues NBC over edited 911 call; Network claims ‘no intent’ to portray unfairly | Twitchy

For those claiming GZ is using the media to defend himself .... SMH ... what short memories you have.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit/

 

[Steinhauer]

"My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts" - Mark Twain

 

[Steinhauer]

Trayvon's rights to "Stand Your Ground" because of a hostile armed guy approaching him.

It's impossible to justify SYG when you end up far away from your own vehicle. impossible. impossible. impossible. therefore there is no "new evidence" in this case.

The evidence is the 911 call. He was on the phone with a police dispatcher that asked him if he was following Trayvon to which he replied that yes he was. He was then told that was not needed, so he stopped following Trayvon. That would be why he was away from his car. Then, according to eyewitnesses, Trayvon approached Zimmerman in a combative manner. The area where this confrontation took place was away from Trayvon's front door and close to GZ's car. Which means Trayvon circled a building to approach GZ.

This was all in the police report that the prosecutors do not trust. So they made up stuff.

btw - Marlon Brando does not call 911 ... just saying.

 

[Jiro]

The evidence is the 911 call. He was on the phone with a police dispatcher that asked him if he was following Trayvon to which he replied that yes he was. He was then told that was not needed, so he stopped following Trayvon. That would be why he was away from his car. Then, according to eyewitnesses, Trayvon approached Zimmerman in a combative manner. The area where this confrontation took place was away from Trayvon's front door and close to GZ's car. Which means Trayvon circled a building to approach GZ.

This was all in the police report that the prosecutors do not trust. So they made up stuff.

btw - Marlon Brando does not call 911 ... just saying.

thank you for proving me right. the fact that Zimmerman started to approached him was more than enough to invalidate his SYG defense. He, in fact, invited himself to danger. Why? cuz he had a gun and he felt like a police officer.

 

[Steinhauer]

thank you for proving me right. the fact that Zimmerman started to approached him was more than enough to invalidate his SYG defense. He, in fact, invited himself to danger. Why? cuz he had a gun and he felt like a police officer.

Apparently you are not familiar with SYG laws. It is not illegal to follow someone whom you think is suspicious. It is illegal, however, to punch someone in the nose and repeatedly smash their head on the ground.

That incident which you have shied away from is the crux of the matter. GZ had the right to defend himself from that. Anyone does. If Trayvon had kept on walking and had not approached GZ in a combative manner he would be alive today.

 

[Foxrac]

Apparently you are not familiar with SYG laws. It is not illegal to follow someone whom you think is suspicious. It is illegal, however, to punch someone in the nose and repeatedly smash their head on the ground.

That incident which you have shied away from is the crux of the matter. GZ had the right to defend himself from that. Anyone does. If Trayvon had kept on walking and had not approached GZ in a combative manner he would be alive today.

If it is not your property so no, you shouldn't follow any suspicious and just call police right away.

The SYG law is no valid if you decide to after the suspicious at first place and put your life at risk due to your decision.

If it is your property, so you are free to confront the suspicious, so if it is not, don't follow.

How you feel if GZ is convicted of second degree murder? I think you will learn the GZ mistakes because SYG doesn't mean you are free to shoot whatever your life isn't in danger.

 

[TXgolfer]

Sorry but your question's not very cleared. Are you asking me a question because your question sounds like it just answered itself.

Try it this way I guess....

Are you saying GM will be found guilty of 2nd Degree Murder?

 

[Jiro]

Try it this way I guess....

Are you saying GM will be found guilty of 2nd Degree Murder?

I believe I've answered that question quite a number of times in previous threads. feel free to look back and find it.

 

[Jiro]

Apparently you are not familiar with SYG laws. It is not illegal to follow someone whom you think is suspicious. It is illegal, however, to punch someone in the nose and repeatedly smash their head on the ground.

That incident which you have shied away from is the crux of the matter. GZ had the right to defend himself from that. Anyone does. If Trayvon had kept on walking and had not approached GZ in a combative manner he would be alive today.

it is actually illegal to invite yourself to a danger after the fact. perhaps you might want to review the SYG law once again.

it is not illegal to defend yourself with lethal force if the harm came to you.
it is illegal to defend yourself with lethal force if you invited yourself to harm. that's what Zimmerman did and there's no further discussion as it has already been exhausted in several locked threads therefore... there is actually no new evidence in his case.

 

[TXgolfer]

I believe I've answered that question quite a number of times in previous threads. feel free to look back and find it.

Wow that is kind of rude.....especially when it would have taken a lot less effort to type yes or no.

 

[Steinhauer]

it is actually illegal to invite yourself to a danger after the fact. perhaps you might want to review the SYG law once again.

it is not illegal to defend yourself with lethal force if the harm came to you.
it is illegal to defend yourself with lethal force if you invited yourself to harm. that's what Zimmerman did and there's no further discussion as it has already been exhausted in several locked threads therefore... there is actually no new evidence in his case.

Thank you for proving my point. Treyvon was dangerous. That is why Zimmerman shot him. Also, you are incorrect about the "invitation to danger". SYG does not require a duty to retreat.

 

[Jiro]

Thank you for proving my point. Treyvon was dangerous. That is why Zimmerman shot him.

oh ok. I see that you're up to your usual contorted logic. nothing for me to say. moving on.

Also, you are incorrect about the "invitation to danger". SYG does not require a duty to retreat.

you are confused. deeply deeply confused.

when the danger COMES to Zimmerman, he is not required to retreat.
when Zimmerman INVITES himself to danger AFTER THE FACT (by calling cop), SYG is no longer applicable.

like I said - Zimmerman was NOT in imminent danger when he called cop. Zimmerman INVITED himself to danger when he pursued Trayvon. Trayvon did not commit any crime nor had any weapon.

Trayvon was killed as the result of Zimmerman's paranoia and vigilantism. Zimmerman was, in fact, medicated for it and got fired for it as a security guard.

 

[Jiro]

Wow that is kind of rude.....especially when it would have taken a lot less effort to type yes or no.

oh really? shall I bring up your previous posts in a similar manner? how is it that what I did was rude but what you did was not rude?

mind-boggling. it's best if you just walk away and troll somewhere else

 

[TXgolfer]

oh really? shall I bring up your previous posts in a similar manner? how is it that what I did was rude but what you did was not rude?

mind-boggling. it's best if you just walk away and troll somewhere else

I have no idea if or what you are predicting. It was a pretty simple question, but if you don't want to answer it, that's cool. Moving on is fine.

 

[Jiro]

I have no idea if or what you are predicting.

why don't we cut this silly ploy? we both know you are very much lying. you were very engaged in just about all locked threads and you know very well what my stance was.

like I said - the answer is already there in many locked threads. if you cannot recall, feel free to simply look back and find it. it's that easy. takes only a quick moment of your time. it's not my job to deliver your food at your convenience. *shrug*

It was a pretty simple question, but if you don't want to answer it, that's cool. Moving on is fine.

really?

however - your question is irrelevant IMO.

 

[TXgolfer]

why don't we cut this silly ploy? we both know you are very much lying. you were very engaged in just about all locked threads and you know very well what my stance was.

like I said - the answer is already there in many locked threads. if you cannot recall, feel free to simply look back and find it. it's that easy. takes only a quick moment of your time. it's not my job to deliver your food at your convenience. *shrug*


really?

however - your question is irrelevant IMO.

No ploy, just a question. No biggie.

 

[Steinhauer]

oh ok. I see that you're up to your usual contorted logic. nothing for me to say. moving on.



you are confused. deeply deeply confused.

when the danger COMES to Zimmerman, he is not required to retreat.
when Zimmerman INVITES himself to danger AFTER THE FACT (by calling cop), SYG is no longer applicable.

like I said - Zimmerman was NOT in imminent danger when he called cop. Zimmerman INVITED himself to danger when he pursued Trayvon. Trayvon did not commit any crime nor had any weapon.

Trayvon was killed as the result of Zimmerman's paranoia and vigilantism. Zimmerman was, in fact, medicated for it and got fired for it as a security guard.

The danger DID come to Zimmerman, and he shot him.

Any further questions?

 

[Jiro]

The danger DID come to Zimmerman, and he shot him.

Any further questions?

yes. why did he invite himself to danger when he reported it to cop and why did he approach to danger far away from his car?

 

[Jiro]

No ploy, just a question. No biggie.

*shrug*

perhaps you should think twice before you ask a question that you already know the answer to. and I'm not interested in what you're going to say.

as you said - moving on... no biggie... like twice. let's not make it a third time.

 

[TXgolfer]

*shrug*

perhaps you should think twice before you ask a question that you already know the answer to. and I'm not interested in what you're going to say.

as you said - moving on... no biggie... like twice. let's not make it a third time.

No reason for you to get so upset. I have no idea what your answer would be....Topic hasn't been on the boards in quite a while.