N.C.: Program Pays $1/Day to Girls For Not Getting Pregnant

Have you ever been to one of those sessions before under that program to make that kind of assessment on how it takes place? Honestly?

Sorry, you can't change my mind on that one.

I still disagree with this program, and I am kinda of doubt the statistic information...

Because...
Teens can lie to get more money as many as they can.
Teens can use money for drugs, etc etc.
Teens can use anything else.
Or could be this: "evil" teens are jealous of "good" teens cos they get a lot of money while the anothers get so little...

I think it's so pointless... I just entitled on my opinion.
 
Sorry, you can't change my mind on that one.

I still disagree with this program, and I am kinda of doubt the statistic information...

Because...
Teens can lie to get more money as many as they can.
Teens can use money for drugs, etc etc.
Teens can use anything else.
Or could be this: "evil" teens are jealous of "good" teens cos they get a lot of money while the anothers get so little...

I think it's so pointless... I just entitled on my opinion.

This is about a pregnancy prevention program. Kind of hard to lie and hide a pregnancy for a girl.
 
This is about a pregnancy prevention program. Kind of hard to lie and hide a pregnancy for a girl.

I can understand that. I do understand you support that idea. That's fine. I still don't like this program...

I just looked at OP, and it said $7 per week.

So, how many time do she lie?

Imagine that. $7 per week x four weeks is 28 dollars, and $28 dollars x 5 months (before able to notice her belly) is $140.

She could ask someone at outside of school to get another money so she have enough to pay an abortion, or she could move out to somewhere without telling her school and only telling the school where she goes, or she could use something so stupid to harm herself by trying to get a ruin of baby out of fear, or whatever it is.

I don't know how many things on list...

If she busted that she is lied, she may have to pay back to her school about $140. Or she could get any pruishment, or else... (that depends)

I can go on the list.

I stated my opinion on that. Rest my case...
 
I can understand that. I do understand you support that idea. That's fine. I still don't like this program...

I just looked at OP, and it said $7 per week.

So, how many time do she lie?

Imagine that. $7 per week x four weeks is 28 dollars, and $28 dollars x 5 months (before able to notice her belly) is $140.

She could ask someone at outside of school to get another money so she have enough to pay an abortion, or she could move out to somewhere without telling her school and only telling the school where she goes, or she could use something so stupid to harm herself by trying to get a ruin of baby out of fear, or whatever it is.

I don't know how many things on list...

If she busted that she is lied, she may have to pay back to her school about $140. Or she could get any pruishment, or else... (that depends)

I can go on the list.

I stated my opinion on that. Rest my case...

6 out of 125 got pregnant during the program interim over the last 12 years. So, according to you, $840 was wasted or that money was taken "advantage of." A drop in the bucket when you consider the overall cost and success of the program. I see this program as an incentive for girls to do something better for themselves rather than to get pregnant so early in their life. It's not by any means the only or best support program when it comes to helping prevent pregnancy with a bit of dignity intact.
 
Why not go back how it was in the 60's when my parents were in school, if a girl got pregnant, she could no longer attend school and instead was expected to get a job straight away to get an apartment and prepare for the child. It wasn't uncommon either for the father of baby to drop out of school as well and the two would wed in a private ceremony. Society basically said to these teen parents that "If you think your mature enough to get it on, then you're mature enough to handle an adult workload. Get used to it." Most teen parents back then did not get help from their parents, they were then considered adults and were completely on their own. They were simply told, sink or swim.

I know that sounds harsh and draconian, but maybe we should start imposing the same for our kids. We've catered and coddled children of this generation to the point that they can barely dress themselves by the time they graduate high school, and yet they are getting knocked up at younger and younger ages. We're having 14 year old girls WANTING to get pregnant because they look at all the government handouts they would become eligible for. Motherhood for them is a selfish thought and often act as they reap the benefits of the government programs while pawning their babies off to the nearest relative so they can go out and party like hooligans with their friends.

I think if a minor becomes pregnant - because they are still minors, they are NOT eligible for WIC or Food Stamps as they are often still living at home with a parent. But however the minor is granted a hardship work license meaning if they are under the age of 16, they are eligible to work up to 20 hours per week. They had this baby, they might as well chip in and actually help pay for it by earning wages. When they turn 18 - the age of consent - they should be moved to government housing, and may apply for either food stamps OR WIC, but not both, as Food Stamps would cover the products used by WIC and WIC covers the same things as Food Stamps do. The mother is required to hold down a 40-hr/wk job, provide adequate childcare with a consistent daycare or relative while on the job, the parent must remain on birth control until the age of 21 to continue to be eligible for government benefits. This way the parent can't just sit around and ask for a handout, the parent has to prove that she is pulling her load and the government covers what she can't by taking it out of her paycheck before she even sees it, what she receives after deductions, and government assistance withdrawals, is what she gets to take home to spend on the children such as toys, clothes, etc.

I know this sounds really out there, but a program that gets you on your feet and assists those only who can prove they are pulling their load is a lot less costly than our current handout program by putting those in assistance in jobs, and those on this assistance are actually paying for it, not the rest of the taxpayers that have to foot the bill for them.

At 21 after having showing proof they can handle things on their own after a number of years of supervision, they are released from the program while being allowed to remain in government housing, except they will be responsible for having to take the money aside to pay the rent on time as well as all other expenses. They will have to wait 5 years before reapplying for any other government assistance programs. Again when they do they will have to prove they are pulling their load with a 40 hour per week job and a significant financial need such as the father has quit helping financially, or a recent illness that has prevented one or both parents from working, and they have completely exhausted all other resources such as sick leave, vacation days and any savings they might have.

OR parents seeking to complete a GED or a College Degree can prove that their quality of life would substantially improve with higher education, and would commit to completing a program of study within a specified time frame, and show that they do not have the financial means to pay for higher education themselves.

If I can hold down multiple jobs while also going to school, then I know that many, if not all single moms out there can and should be able to hold down at least one full-time job and go to school at the same time. Due to technology there is no reason why they cannot. They can take classes at uni during the day and in the evening, as well as online which can be done at any time. Its not a matter of what the mother wants - its a matter of doing what has to be done to survive.
 
Teenagers need PROPER sex education, not get paid for not have sex to get pregnant.

If you're going to pay teenage girls not to have sex, then pay the boys as well.



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6 out of 125 got pregnant during the program interim over the last 12 years. So, according to you, $840 was wasted or that money was taken "advantage of." A drop in the bucket when you consider the overall cost and success of the program. I see this program as an incentive for girls to do something better for themselves rather than to get pregnant so early in their life. It's not by any means the only or best support program when it comes to helping prevent pregnancy with a bit of dignity intact.

Okay. Since I don't see anything is mentioned about punishment in the first post... If the program is successful, I don't know how much it affact schools when it allows the progarm in any school. So my question is what kind punishment she would have if she is discovered by her school? How would girls react to one girl is in trouble? I meant, six girls.

I feel this program is risky. Hmmm.....

Okay... I know you and I disagree to each other. :) I still stated where I stand, Koko. Sorry...
 
Teenagers need PROPER sex education, not get paid for not have sex to get pregnant.

If you're going to pay teenage girls not to have sex, then pay the boys as well.
:roll:

Teen girls are the first line of defense when it comes to saying "yes" or "no" to having sex or in this case unprotected sex. Tell you what, dig around and come back and tell me how much it cost the govt per pregnant teen (and babies afterwards) each year compared to spending $365 per year per teen as an (very minor) incentitive for her not to get pregnant along with support groups and giving her a sense of accomplishment and responsibility.

Also, consider the cost of direct payments that go along with the cost of education, food subsidies, incarceration, food welfare for mother and child, and other programs. Consider the costs in time and actual money contributed by other organizations. When it comes with pregnancy it comes with a whole bunch of problems and economic issues to deal with.

Teen Pregnancy - Statistical Data

Paying a teen $1 a day ($365/yr) is extremely, extremely small in cost compared to the alternative of seeing one get pregnant at a cost of tens of thousands of dollars a year.
 
Okay. Since I don't see anything is mentioned about punishment in the first post... If the program is successful, I don't know how much it affact schools when it allows the progarm in any school. So my question is what kind punishment she would have if she is discovered by her school? How would girls react to one girl is in trouble? I meant, six girls.

Punishment is not in the picture.

This is a highly, interactive support program for girls who seek to go to college someday.

Money is not collected by the girls each week but put into a fund that's collectible when they enroll in college. This is a far, far better option than to let girls think welfare is a good back up system should they get pregnant as an incentive to continue with unprotected sex. They essentially get "paid" after they get pregnant and are supported while pregnant and afterwards. This program is the opposite. It's an incentive for the girls not to get pregnant in order to go to college with cash in hand to help pay for college. It's about decision-making, being responsible and avoiding pregnancy all at the same time.

I think the program deserve some merit and applause on helping prevent pregnancy while at the same time help build self-esteem, responsibility and sense of accomplishment. They need all the help they can get.
 
Teenagers need PROPER sex education, not get paid for not have sex to get pregnant.

If you're going to pay teenage girls not to have sex, then pay the boys as well.



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OOOHHH touche!
 
Ahem, 119 out 125 didn't get pregnant during the program interim.

Got a comparison group. You need one to show effectiveness.:cool2: Who's to say those 119 would have still not gotten pregnant without the $1.00 a day. You are attempting to assign cause and effect without sufficient data to do so. But then, that's what those who preach abstinence normally do, so it isn't surprising at all.
 
As a teacher, I was taught the importance of intrinsic motivation and this situation is definitely gonna ruin it.

Absolutely. Intrinsic motivation is the only way to insure lasting behavior. Extrinsic behavior changes daily, depending on what the individual thinks they can get out of behaving in a certain way. Its the difference between a person doing the right thing because its the moral, ethical thing to do and doing the right thing because they stand to make a profit. All it does is enforce greediness and selfishness.
 
Teen girls are the first line of defense when it comes to saying "yes" or "no" to having sex or in this case unprotected sex. Tell you what, dig around and come back and tell me how much it cost the govt per pregnant teen (and babies afterwards) each year compared to spending $365 per year per teen as an (very minor) incentitive for her not to get pregnant along with support groups and giving her a sense of accomplishment and responsibility.

Also, consider the cost of direct payments that go along with the cost of education, food subsidies, incarceration, food welfare for mother and child, and other programs. Consider the costs in time and actual money contributed by other organizations. When it comes with pregnancy it comes with a whole bunch of problems and economic issues to deal with.

Teen Pregnancy - Statistical Data

Paying a teen $1 a day ($365/yr) is extremely, extremely small in cost compared to the alternative of seeing one get pregnant at a cost of tens of thousands of dollars a year.

What a completely sexist attitude!:roll: Why not pay the teen boys $1.00 a day to keep it in their pants?
 
There is good example that jillo is totally ignore me that I couldn't seduce her. Great job!
 
Good grief!

That is like telling someone "An apple a day will keep the doctor away"

and not teaching them about the preventions.... like hand washing... turning your head to sneeze on your shoulder... throw the tissue away when you use them. Anyhoo.. get my drift???

Can not give a dollar a day.. and expect someone not to do so. Education about prevention is the key!

This is absolutely ridiculous! "Dollar a day, keeps the babies/STD away"

That was the first thing came to mind when I read this thread.

Agreed. It is absurd. Shows a complete failure to understand the situation and think it all the way through. Not to mention which, it is an extremely sexist proposal. Pay the girls not to get pregnant as if pregnancy is their responsibility alone. How much are they paying the teen aged boys to keep it in their pants? They are as responsible for the rise of teen pregnancies and STDs as are the teen girls. Teen pregnancies are not the result of immaculate conception, you know, and it takes an infected person and a noninfected person to spread STDs. People need to get a bit more realistic.
 
Got a comparison group. You need one to show effectiveness.:cool2: Who's to say those 119 would have still not gotten pregnant without the $1.00 a day. You are attempting to assign cause and effect without sufficient data to do so. But then, that's what those who preach abstinence normally do, so it isn't surprising at all.

Ok. Let's abolish that $1/day that people see so squeamish about.

Let's see, 125 entered into the program ever since it began in 1997, only 6 got pregnant. Either the program is doing something right, something terribly, terribly wrong or it was all a fluke. :roll:

Don't let your bias and prejudice get in the way. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
:hmm: Typical.
 
Pay the girls not to get pregnant as if pregnancy is their responsibility alone.
How odd. When people give incentives and teach responsibility for girls, where they are literally the gate keeper on whether to say no or practice "safe" sex, starts with them does the program get harrassed for that. Boys can't get pregnant but certainly the girls can. What better way to provide them the means and self-esteem to learn and say "no" or at least minimize any chance of getting pregnant? Nothing wrong for the girls to have the will and the responsibility to say "No" to intercourse. It's the boys that may have a problem with that and throw a fit. Of course, it is the girls' responsibility to make sure that they don't get pregnant. The decision rest with the girls on taking that risk or not.

You cannot have your cake and eat it if you go the route that it's a woman's body and it's her decision and responsibility if she wants an abortion or not and then turn around and say that it is not a girl's responsibility to prevent any chance of pregnancy. It is. Pure and simple. Either she decide to spread her legs open or not. If she decide the latter then she need to understand the risk of getting pregnant even with a condom. Ultimate responsibility lies with the girls since they are the ones who can get pregnant.

If you have plans on wanting to go to college then don't risk the chance of getting pregnant that will undoubtedly mess up your college plan for the future. Can't get any more simpler than that. Although I hear a big "but" coming next...
 
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