N.C.: Program Pays $1/Day to Girls For Not Getting Pregnant

[rockin'robin]

Why not start giving the boys a $1 for not pressuring girls to have sex or not having sex at all?......Should be both ways there...

If my daughter got pregnant, I most likely would blame the boy, even tho' I do have 3 boys....very seldom do girls pressure the boys for sex...it's the boys who do this.

 

[jillio]

Again, you don't understand. Really. Let repeat and clarify. What I'm talking about is the first line of defense for girls starts with the girls themselves, not the boys. The boys can try and push the envelop hoping to have intercourse but ultimately it's the girls who will decide whether this is a good idea or not. Especially if they are at a stage of their life on wanting to go to college someday rather than get pregnant. That's called, "Making a decision." Of all people you should know that. That is what this program is all about. Again, there is nothing sexist about a girl who says "No" to a boy who want to have intercourse if she feels it's not worth the risk. Pure and simple. This is a risk decision scenario. The equal responsibility comes when both decide (and risk) to have sex and not a unilateral decision. :roll:

First line of defense, a girl says "No."
Second line of defense if sex is decided by both is to have protected sex but even that is not a 100% guarantee that pregnancy

I reiterate, you're completely misunderstanding this whole thing. For the love of God, no means no, and not "Yes, I want to have sex." If she says, "Yes" then responsibility falls on them both the girl and boy.

*sigh*

There is certainly someone who doesn't understand, but it isn't me.

Pregnancy is a risk for a male, as well. Not only does the female become a parent, the male becomes a parent as well. The problem is, people like you discount the amount of responsibility the male should be showing for his participation in the activity and the result. Why doesn't it surprise me? Another conservative preaching family values and all the while attempting to exempt the male gender from having to adhere to them.

Not only are you sexist, you are a hypocrite.

 

[jillio]

No, it's only the fault of both parties involved. What I'm getting at is the first line of defense rests with the girl if she decides not to have sex because she doesn't want to risk getting pregnant because she want to leave open the opportunity to go to college. Capiche?

Yes, we all understand quite well. In short, what you are saying is that the responsibility must fall to the female because the male thinks only with his little head and is completely incapable of taking responsibility for his own behavior and practicing self restraint.

 

[shel90]

Yes, we all understand quite well. In short, what you are saying is that the responsibility must fall to the female because the male thinks only with his little head and is completely incapable of taking responsibility for his own behavior and practicing self restraint.

What about date rape? What then?

 

[jillio]

What about date rape? What then?

According to kokonut, she should have just said no.:roll: Keep her legs closed.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I am sorry that I laugh sooo hard after read the whole thread here...

Boys can't get pregnant but certainly the girls can.

Girls can´t get pregnant themselves without boys´ sperm.

I´m mother of 2 sons and make sure that they won´t make girls pregnant because they are the one who CAN make girls pregnant. Girls can´t get pregnant herself

Of course, it is the girls' responsibility to make sure that they don't get pregnant. The decision rest with the girls on taking that risk or not.

No, it´s not just girls but boys as well because boys make them pregnant. Responsible on both sides, not just girls.

You cannot have your cake and eat it if you go the route that it's a woman's body and it's her decision and responsibility if she wants an abortion or not and then turn around and say that it is not a girl's responsibility to prevent any chance of pregnancy. It is. Pure and simple. Either she decide to spread her legs open or not. If she decide the latter then she need to understand the risk of getting pregnant even with a condom. Ultimate responsibility lies with the girls since they are the ones who can get pregnant.

:roll:

Why is the first line of defense not the teen boys keeping their penis in their pants? That is what makes you such a sexist. Attempting to place all responsibility for teen pregnancy squarely on the shoulders of the females. There is certainly something sexist about not placing equal responsibility on the males. The girls aren't getting pregnant by themselves. The last I checked, it requires sperm and an egg to conceive.

I reinterate: you really are a sexist.

Well....

It takes 2 to tango.

'Nuff said.

Teenage boys have dicks and balls. Teenage boys have sperm. Think about it. Teen girls can't get pregnant on their own without any sperm. Sperm is required to fertilize the eggs. Otherwise we would have another "Virgin Mary" or whatever it is that you call it. Please. Everyone knows that in order for a teenage girl to get pregnant a guy has to stick his dick in her vagina and jizz in there. Real simple. It's not rocket science. Sperm + egg = fetus. Duh.

Or are you really that stupid?

:roll:

Boys are the ones with the sperm in them. Thus they are the first, they want sex. So it is the guys first not the girls. The guy begs the girl for sex, which he shouldn't be doing. So don't blame teenage girls only for getting pregnant...the guys has a part in this mess too...sticking their dicks and jizzing in the teenage girls and getting them pregnant. It takes two to make a fetus.

Why not start giving the boys a $1 for not pressuring girls to have sex or not having sex at all?......Should be both ways there...

If my daughter got pregnant, I most likely would blame the boy, even tho' I do have 3 boys....very seldom do girls pressure the boys for sex...it's the boys who do this.

Exactly!!!!

Yes, we all understand quite well. In short, what you are saying is that the responsibility must fall to the female because the male thinks only with his little head and is completely incapable of taking responsibility for his own behavior and practicing self restraint.

 

[Babyblue]

Well yes the girls can get pregnant, It takes two to tangle..

but Kokonut here thinks that the girl is the first line of Defense.

Well.. Pregnancy is not the only results of having sex. HIV and other STD can effect the boys as well.

Hate to see them boys running around contracting STDs, But then again... They have no defense. Due to it is the girls responsibility! :roll:

 

[Grummer]

er, how come is everyone is still bickering about whos taking less responsibility? and in addition it seems everyone underestimate the power of media has over the youths, so much that even 'sex education' is powerless, which brings to the my point, whys the hell's everyone thinking education got to do with it? I mean like just because 'its formal or popularised idea of a social avenue to use for proclaiming sex responsibility. If you look around its the media, by that i dont mean just music videos, i mean dramas, fashion shows, emphasis on health and fitness (the body beautiful), success stories portrayed in informericals, documentries about the rich and famous, you name it. Hell, even the documentarys about teenage pregnancys isnt going to stop the teenagers - they simply change channels OR continue to watch it and think 'this wont happen to me" TV viewing time is liken to reading books and by which, little connection is made with reality as they always says "it only happens to other fool not me".

just my 2 cents

 

[Babyblue]

er, how come is everyone is still bickering about whos taking less responsibility? and in addition it seems everyone underestimate the power of media has over the youths, so much that even 'sex education' is powerless, which brings to the my point, whys the hell's everyone thinking education got to do with it? I mean like just because 'its formal or popularised idea of a social avenue to use for proclaiming sex responsibility. If you look around its the media, by that i dont mean just music videos, i mean dramas, fashion shows, emphasis on health and fitness (the body beautiful), success stories portrayed in informericals, documentries about the rich and famous, you name it. Hell, even the documentarys about teenage pregnancys isnt going to stop the teenagers - they simply change channels OR continue to watch it and think 'this wont happen to me" TV viewing time is liken to reading books and by which, little connection is made with reality as they always says "it only happens to other fool not me".

just my 2 cents

I agree that Media does not help this situation.

but this is not about the media..

It is about two people having sex and two people being held responsible for their actions...

not just the females or the girls.

takes two to tangle.


Education is much needed to teach kids that the media makes it sound glamorous. When in reality it is not so glamorous to end up being a Mom or Dad. It is not so glamorous to contract STD.

 

[rockin'robin]

Was wondering about this post today....ahh...what if the schools started taking the students to see the Aids patients in the hospital?

I know the students do watch videos about Aids (as long as the parent gives permission)....

Just wondering if it would make more an impact on kids....really seeing people with Aids might work in some cases I think.

 

[Babyblue]

Was wondering about this post today....ahh...what if the schools started taking the students to see the Aids patients in the hospital?

I know the students do watch videos about Aids (as long as the parent gives permission)....

Just wondering if it would make more an impact on kids....really seeing people with Aids might work in some cases I think.

Not just AIDS. but the impact of having sex. STD, Unwanted pregnancies etc.

Perhaps if they see the images, and results of having Unprotected sex.

but the best bet is teaching them about protection! Condoms. Birth control.
etc.



That is another reason why I think the Dollar A Day is Moot!

How does one know if they girls are not having sex... How do they know if they are not on the pills, How do they know if they are not using condoms. They are simply getting a dollar a day for NOT being pregnant.

 

[shel90]

Maybe glamorizing responsibility the way sex is glamorized would help?

 

[kokonut]

According to kokonut, she should have just said no.:roll: Keep her legs closed.

A little insecure, are we?

Date rape is certainly not the fault of the girl. None whatsoever. The violator will get what's coming to him.

 

[jillio]

Was wondering about this post today....ahh...what if the schools started taking the students to see the Aids patients in the hospital?

I know the students do watch videos about Aids (as long as the parent gives permission)....

Just wondering if it would make more an impact on kids....really seeing people with Aids might work in some cases I think.

Communtiy service project that allow them to work with AIDS victims would certainly be an eye opener for them. Especially if they worked with teen victims of AIDS who used to have the well known adolescent attitude, "It could never happen to me!"

 

[jillio]

A little insecure, are we?

Date rape is certainly not the fault of the girl. None whatsoever. The violator will get what's coming to him.

Nope, not in the least insecure. You're projecting.

Then the first line of defense is not the girl? You are contradicting yourself.

 

[netrox]

I'm not sure what to say. My thought was "if it works to reduce it, go for it" but it seems that those women are more motivated by greed more than by their morals.

Greed is not a bad thing, mind you but it's disappointing that we need to show them money just to make them behave.

 

[kokonut]

Well yes the girls can get pregnant, It takes two to tangle..

but Kokonut here thinks that the girl is the first line of Defense.

Well.. Pregnancy is not the only results of having sex. HIV and other STD can effect the boys as well.

Hate to see them boys running around contracting STDs, But then again... They have no defense. Due to it is the girls responsibility! :roll:

It's "tango." This is what this program about by helping girls, who want to go to college, make proper decision and understand the consequence of that decision. It's either the girl wants to have sex or not. Yes, it takes two to tango. :roll: However, for a teenager who wants to go to college someday she is the one who is taking the bigger risk if she *decides* to have sex. Afterall, it would be her pregnancy and risk jeopardizing the chance to go to college someday. It's about making an informed decision on her on part. Ergo, first line of defense. If she so *decides* to have sex, then she should understand the potential risk (as well as her partner) weighed against wanting to go to college "unecumbered." This includes getting STD's which may or may not provde a bit of a drawback to going to college. But nothing like a pregnacy will certainly have a big drawback on plans of going to college "unecumbered." Not impossible but certainly it'll be harder to chase after your plan or dream of going to college.

That's it. No big mystery here. But ya'll are having a coniption fit by either purposely or subconsciously twisting words on what I've said so far.

 

[jillio]

I'm not sure what to say. My thought was "if it works to reduce it, go for it" but it seems that those women are more motivated by greed more than by their morals.

Greed is not a bad thing, mind you but it's disappointing that we need to show them money just to make them behave.

Sends a very disturbing message.

 

[kokonut]

I'm not sure what to say. My thought was "if it works to reduce it, go for it" but it seems that those women are more motivated by greed more than by their morals.

Greed is not a bad thing, mind you but it's disappointing that we need to show them money just to make them behave.

Well, more like having the desire of going to college someday. It's no difference than taking advantage of a program called "Running Start" where 11 and 12 graders can take community college classes in place of public school classes and get both the AA degree and a diploma at the expense of public tax payers. Saving parents some money in the long run. I see it as an incentive for girls to help themselves get a "running start" for college unecumbered.

 

[jillio]

Well, more like having the desire of going to college someday. It's no difference than taking advantage of a program called "Running Start" where 11 and 12 graders can take community college classes in place of public school classes and get both the AA degree and a diploma at the expense of public tax payers. Saving parents some money in the long run. I see it as an incentive for girls to help themselves get a "running start" for college unecumbered.

Post secondary programs don't apply just to community colleges. Full universities offer them as well. And they cannot complete a college degree in a post secondary program. They can only take courses that will apply to the general university requirements for a degree. They also have to earn the privilege by having a GPA of 3.5 or better and being in the upper 25% of their class, and having completed the majority of their high school credits ahead of schedule. These students have earned their privilege through hard work and diligence to their studies. They must also maintain not just the average they have from high school, but are asked to leave the post-secondary program if they achieve a failing grade in any of the college courses they are taking.

Not all post-secondary option students receive payment for their college courses from the Dept. of Education. That is only for option B. Option A requires that parents pay the fees and tuition, as well as for books and supplies.

Totally unrelated to the idea of paying a girl to not get pregnant.