Mystery illness solved when family discovers new home was a meth lab

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The foreclosed house for sale on the up-and-coming street pined for fresh paint and other fixes, but the Hankins family saw its potential.

Plus, at $36,000, the price was perfect for a young family trying to make ends meet in small-town Klamath Falls, Ore.

"We said, 'It needs a little bit of love, but it's got good bones,'" Jonathan Hankins recalled. "We just had no idea that those bones were poisonous."

Within days of moving in this past summer, Beth Hankins, an ER nurse, started experiencing breathing problems. Then Jonathan got migraine-like headaches and nosebleeds. By the third week, their 2-year-old son, Ezra, developed mouth sores.

"He couldn't even drink water without being in pain," said Jonathan, 32.

They were about to schedule doctor visits when a neighbor shared the bad news: 2427 Radcliffe was a former meth house.

The family ordered a $50 testing kit and had the lab expedite the results, which revealed a contamination level nearly 80 times above Oregon Heath Authority limits.

"Our walls were poisoning us," said Jonathan, who quickly moved his family to a rental home.

Buying a foreclosed house from government-sponsored Freddie Mac meant the family was informed about being responsible for detecting hazards like lead paint and asbestos, but there was no warning from real estate agents or Freddie Mac about drug activity.

Because it was being sold "as is," the couple decided to save their money and
skip a traditional inspection, which would have noted superficial repairs but not the chemicals used to cook the highly addictive drug. "In the case of methamphetamine, it's an invisible toxin," Jonathan said.

Twenty-three states, including Oregon, have laws requiring sellers to disclose if a property was ever used as a clandestine drug lab. In the Hankins' case, Freddie Mac says it never knew the two-bedroom, one-bath home had a checkered past.

"We certainly empathize with the situation, but we had no prior information about the way the home had been used," Freddie Mac spokesman Brad German told Yahoo News. "If we had, of course, we would have disclosed it."

It's a Catch-22 that Joe Mazzuca of Meth Lab Cleanup, a national remediation and training company, predicts others could find themselves in. Based on national and state data, Mazzuca conservatively estimates there are 2.5 million meth-contaminated homes in the U.S. "The signs and indicators aren't always there," he said. "You don't always see the meth residue. It's extremely dangerous stuff."

His concern was echoed at a congressional hearing in August on the efforts to curb domestic methamphetamine production.

Drug czar Gil Kerlikowske, head of the president's Office of National Drug Control Policy, testified that "U.S. meth lab seizure has more than doubled between 2007 and 2010, and these labs pose a major threat to public safety and the environment."

Mazzuca said the problem "is off the charts. We average a call every three to five minutes." One of those recent calls came from Michigan, a state with no disclosure law, where a father unknowingly purchased a meth-contaminated home. "He just buried his 14-year-old daughter after living in it for two years," Mazzuca said. "I could tell you stories like that for days."

With or without disclosure laws, Mazzuca believes scores of home buyers are at risk because only one in 10 meth labs are busted. Other times, he said, information can fall through the cracks by the time a big bank or government agency gets past the red tape of selling a foreclosed home.

He advised anyone considering buying a foreclosure to do their due diligence. He suggested the following actions:

Check the DEA's National Clandestine Laboratory Register.
Talk to the property's neighbors.
Contact the local health department and police for past issues.
Buy a kit to test for chemicals.
Jonathan Hankins in Oregon believes the seller needs to shoulder some of that burden.

"Consumers don't know about this problem, and a simple $50 test by them could have prevented all this," said Jonathan, who's now left to pay rent and a mortgage. "Thirty-six thousand may be a drop in the bucket to them, but it could ruin us financially."

He says his calls and emails to Freddie Mac have gone unanswered, so he turned to
Change.org, a website that aims to promote social change by the use of online petitions. There he posted his frustration with what he calls the agency's false promise.

"Freddie Mac advertises, 'Our qualifying homes come with a reviewed title, and a repaired living space making them easier to sell and improving home values in your territory. We sell our homes responsibly. Freddie Mac is committed to having the best property maintenance and sales standards in the country.' We had no reason to expect otherwise. Instead, they irresponsibly sold us a ticking time bomb of dangerous chemicals without even telling us."

Attorneys have told the Hankins that the "as-is" fine print leaves them few options.

Decontaminating a former meth lab can run anywhere from $5,000 to $150,000, according to experts. Jonathan says he's been quoted a clean up cost more than his house is worth.

"We're not really angry at [Freddie Mac], but we're shocked that this could happen to anyone in America," he said. "It's an opportunity for them to set a precedent for others in the mortgage industry."

Mystery illness solved when family discovers new home was a meth lab | The Lookout - Yahoo! News
 
How we could detect the house if it used to be meth lab? use public record or hire an inspection?
 
How we could detect the house if it used to be meth lab? use public record or hire an inspection?

From the link:

The family ordered a $50 testing kit and had the lab expedite the results, which revealed a contamination level nearly 80 times above Oregon Heath Authority limits.

Check the DEA's National Clandestine Laboratory Register.
Talk to the property's neighbors.
Contact the local health department and police for past issues.
Buy a kit to test for chemicals.
 
I worked for the State doing Remediation for 15 years, unless the house was a fresh recently used as a meth lab you cannot smell it. I have worked in a house that was a meth lab years before when I was rehabbing homes, I got so sick within an hour of being in it I had to quit.
Years later I landed a job with the State doing remediations and going to classes/training is when I found out the dangers and realized what I was really getting into... Not only the dangers of drugs but also the dangers filth and how people live. After 15 years of doing this line of work, cringing at the sight of some of these people and their living conditions ( filth, roaches/bugs, ect...) when I got injured and lost my career, I vowed I will never set foot in that condition again. I would shower at work and wash work clothes there.... I never wanted to bring that into my home by trace amounts at all. I could post pictures of some of this stuff but dont want to make anyone throw up.
 
ah, interesting. I know one who is a friend of mine. She told her that her house is filled of MOLD that makes them sick. However she HAD a meth lab in the basement. Yes she and her hubsand made the meth. They often got sick as well as their kids are sick blaming on the MOld. Indeed, they had MOLD in the BRAND house. They have comfortable $$ and had a big house but got sick from the mold. now i am reading this and wonder if it still relates with meth and mold. interesting!
 
This is Really something to think about...whenever buying a home, renting one, even staying in a motel/hotel.....I feel that the sellers of the home should be responsible themselves to test/detect or inform the buyers of the previous past residents of that home.....

Meth is deadly and addictive...and the drug is rampant where I live.....

I'm also wondering if that home has to be razed (destroyed).....or just pressure washed inside/out...and the walls repainted.....
 
This is Really something to think about...whenever buying a home, renting one, even staying in a motel/hotel.....I feel that the sellers of the home should be responsible themselves to test/detect or inform the buyers of the previous past residents of that home.....

Meth is deadly and addictive...and the drug is rampant where I live.....

I'm also wondering if that home has to be razed (destroyed).....or just pressure washed inside/out...and the walls repainted.....

Yup, meth is very dangerous, so is cocaine and heroin.

I think any houses that used as math lab and infested with meth should be razed and re-build the new house.
 
i dont understand,it imply that certain levels are acceptable,is that typo error.why would any levels be acceptable,no make sense.....meth is that crack cocaine
 
Here is an insight on it... Meth fumes are a vapor, moisture, gases... they absorb into the drywall/wood/paint/carpet and even though it is done and no longer made, the vapors continue to come out of everything like a sponge. Only way to remediate it, just like lead based paints that was banned in 1978, is to tear all the carpet/drywall and anything else pourous out of the house and replace it with new, thats why remediation can run up to $150,000+
They bought the house at $36,000, it will cost more than the house...well depending on where its located and what the actual value is whjen the house is fixed, but the downside is.... NOW that THEY KNOW about the METH LAB, THEY HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT IN THE SELLERS DISCLOSURE WHEN THEY SELL IT, if and when they can. Damned if they do and damned if they dont.
 
i dont understand,it imply that certain levels are acceptable,is that typo error.why would any levels be acceptable,no make sense.....meth is that crack cocaine

I dont know what the levels would be for drugs but based on LEAD BASED PAINTS which I specialized in....

anything about 5ppm (parts per million) in dust/fumes/vapor is poisonous to anyone airborn or drinking water.
Anything above 10mgdl (microgram per deciliter blood) is deadly to a child

so levels vary depending on substances, age,weight that are set to government standards.
 
Here is an insight on it... Meth fumes are a vapor, moisture, gases... they absorb into the drywall/wood/paint/carpet and even though it is done and no longer made, the vapors continue to come out of everything like a sponge. Only way to remediate it, just like lead based paints that was banned in 1978, is to tear all the carpet/drywall and anything else pourous out of the house and replace it with new, thats why remediation can run up to $150,000+
They bought the house at $36,000, it will cost more than the house...well depending on where its located and what the actual value is whjen the house is fixed, but the downside is.... NOW that THEY KNOW about the METH LAB, THEY HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT IN THE SELLERS DISCLOSURE WHEN THEY SELL IT, if and when they can. Damned if they do and damned if they dont.

Wow!....Even many apartment homes have meth labs....And recently read here where I live that several people renting a very expensive home in an upscale neighborhood were arrested for having a meth lab....The neighbors were shocked that this could happen there.....And guessing the owner of the house will be held responsible for any and all "repairs" to that home....as the renters are now in jail....Costing the owner thousands and thousands of dollars.....

Makes me sick!....and so many times, I've seen mug shots of people with sores all over their faces....being arrested for drugs (meth).....

Another "big headache" for anyone owning real estate and renting to prospective tenants....even home owners selling or even buying a home......
 
I was thinking the police allowed certain levels, i realised what daft thing i just asked.. Of course it at levels before health effected.
my god your country got hugh problems with this stuff,you going to have some serious happenings going at that rate.
 
and so many times, I've seen mug shots of people with sores all over their faces....being arrested for drugs (meth).....

......

Those sores on meth heads arent from the drug itself, it is self inflicted, they sense/feel/see bugs crawling on them so they scratch and dig at themselves with their fingernails till they are raw, their teeth worn from gritting them together when they need a fix and god, if you ever met one needing a fix it is insane how they act, I have dealt with them and other drug users on the jobsites in the past. Sometimes funny and other times down right scarey.
 
Thinking that mobile homes would be more susceptible to "blowing up" from a math lab inside than a home?.....
 
A fellow I worked with said that a mobile meth lab caught fire on his lawn. The people driving it down the street had a fire start in the back of the vehicle. They drove off the road and onto his yard. They ran away from the vehicle (police caught then later).

The vehicle left on his yard turned into a raging inferno. Chemicals were leaking out onto his yard. He said it took two fire departments and their trucks to put it out.

He also says his grass in that area is particularly green now.
 
It scares myself and many others who are looking to buy houses not knowing if this was a methane filled house.
 
It scares myself and many others who are looking to buy houses not knowing if this was a methane filled house.

Yes, you have good reason to be leery and should be on ur check-list to ask the owner of the history of the house and the tenants who lived there before....even request proof that the house has been tested.....
 
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