Murdered Florida Girl Suffered Years of Abuse

[Liebling:-)))]

^Angel^, I KNOW. It's a horrible thing. It truly is...so many children have suffered because of neglect. CPS doesn't always investigate thorougly because they're afraid of being wrong, appearing to be misinformed, et cetera. The list goes on and on until it's 1,000 pages long. I may be somewhat biased when I say I have very little faith in their abilities, but I do not believe that they are capable of helping every single child that is being mistreated. As a result, I don't know who else to blame but the person who has the nerve to abuse the child in the first place. What the fuck is wrong with this world? That is something that even I don't have the answers to. If I did, I'd post it. But...I do not, and therefore, I will blame the attacker and shake my head at CPS for not taking care of matters sooner, and with a fine toothed comb.

CPS's job task supposing to be PROFESSIONAL to protect the children from their neglect/abusive parents.

I had the feeling that CPS is the responsible what happened to Sarah BECAUSE they KNEW about Sarah's past retainship with her family. Why can't they do SOMETHING to protect her is give her to foster parents to take care of?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

There's a lot of factors involved in this. Understaffing, a shrinking budget to work with, poor training, incompetence. The list of reasons defies imagination. The bottom line is, the system is screwed, and kids are dying as a result.

But this is CPS job's task to protect the children.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

VERY good question, ^Angel^!!!

I think that a lot of the problem lies within the child's being afraid to tell someone about the abuse and injustices being done to them. Abuse, sexual torture, beatings - how can this NOT instill a degree of FEAR within a child who has NO idea of what to make of all of this? Not to mention that often they are threatened by their abusers that something horrible will happen to them or to their mothers or sisters or dogs or cats if they were to ever tell?

CPS needs help. I think that WE all play a part in this - perhaps WE need to make our children more aware, and teach them to recognize child abuse, to know what is right and what is wrong, to open their mouths and TELL us, their parents, when something is wrong. Too many cases are closed because the child themselves don't tell, or they are frightened to the point where they recant any revealings of abuse that they may have suffered. Therefore CPS will move onto other cases, and put it on the back burner until it's eventually dropped.

Very true......

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by Eve
but how is CPS to keep up with the mother’s love life?

This is not CPS's job to control mother's love life but protect the children and make sure it's safety for the children.

The children doesn't deserve to live at bad and unsafety enivronment. I really don't understand why CPS can't see it.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The point is Eve, She was remove for a short time, And then return back to the mother who's been report over 1,000 times, Come on use common sense when a family are report numberic of times, Mother would have lost rights of all her children because she did not protect her children from all her so-call boyfriends. So, Obviously Child Protection Service did not do their duty as protecting Sarah. Florida always been a messed up state anyway.

Yes, good point.

I heard alot of bad things about Florida law system which it's sad.

 

[Eve]

The point is Eve, She was remove for a short time, And then return back to the mother who's been report over 1,000 times, Come on use common sense when a family are report numberic of times, Mother would have lost rights of all her children because she did not protect her children from all her so-call boyfriends. So, Obviously Child Protection Service did not do their duty as protecting Sarah. Florida always been a messed up state anyway.

No, Cheri, the point is that if the mother was not the one abusing the children and she removed the source of the abuse (her husband and boyfriends) from the household, according to the guidelines that CPS must follow, they had no choice but to return the children to their mother when the source of the abuse was no longer there. And common sense says that if the source of the abuse is no longer in the home, the home SHOULD be safe.

I really don't understand what those word "CPS" for.

CPS=Child Protective Services

 

[Angel]

No, Cheri, the point is that if the mother was not the one abusing the children and she removed the source of the abuse (her husband and boyfriends) from the household, according to the guidelines that CPS must follow, they had no choice but to return the children to their mother when the source of the abuse was no longer there.

Where did you get this information from Eve?,

It say the reports runs far back in 1992, when the mother's husband abused the children, but did not say anything about CPS removed Sarah from the householder at that time... The only time Sarah was placed in a foster care was in 1999, when the mother's boyfriend abused the children, it did not even said anything about other children but Sarah herself....So, I'm not going to speak for the other children but just Sarah here...

When you have reports that run far back from 1992 to now, from all the abused that going on in that householder with her husband and boyfriends, what makes CPS suddenly stop checking on the children?...

Now, that is why some of us are blaming the CPS cause they ignored it for many years and removed Sarah ONCE in 1999....

 

[Eve]

Where did you get this information from Eve?

Since you are obviously not capable of deriving the information from reading the article on your own, I have taken the liberty to highlight the pertinent information that led me to the conclusion that most intelligent individuals would have reached after reading the article.

Onstott had dated Sarah's mother, Kelly May, who divorced the girl's father, Richard Lunde, in 1997.

Documents allege that Richard Lunde beat his wife with a 2-by-4 while the children looked on. He also broke her ribs and injured her in other ways, the allegations said.

In 1999, an anonymous caller reported that May and a boyfriend (NOT Onstott or the father)used drugs in front of the children. The caller also said the boyfriend was abusing the children, and that Sarah had been forced to sleep outside under a tree, according to the documents.

Onstott, 36, is not cited in records involving Sarah's family.

This shows a series of abuses by at least three different men, and I am sure that not all men were in the household at the same time, so the logical conclusion is that the mother removed the men from the home, thus satisfying the requirements by CPS to ensure the safety of her children.

 

[Angel]

LOL Eve, it looks like you didn't quite get what I mean here....When I said where did you get this information from when you said all the children inculding Sarah was placed in the foster care, yes she was placed until 1999, but not in 1992 when it first started.....

CPS is very aware of the mother's love life if you can see, the abused went on from 1992 to 1999 from her husband and her boyfriend, what makes the CPS not to be aware of any of this?....

It did not say the mother kicked all the men out of her life...and the CPS only removed Sarah ONCE in 1997....


As you can see there were reports made in 1992, did CPS removed the children from that householder at that time? NO

Then again in 1997, finally they decide to removed Sarah from the home but return back to the mother....

Then Sarah got killed.....it not too hard to stop by and check up on the kids, if I had a report like this on my desk that runs from 1992 to 1997, I would have check on the children....It did not say the CPS return Sarah back to her mothers after the mother left her boyfriend...

So the big question here is why did CPS return the children back to their mother when they are very much aware of the mother hopping around to man to man that are harming the children?....That shows the mother was unfit because she can not protect her children....

 

[Cheri]

I can understand that the mother wasn't the one abusing Sarah, She was so desperate with men (jerks) that abuse her own children over the years. Returning Sarah back to the mother is not a safe environment. Did the mother thinks how seriously her children's well-being will/been affected? Look at the records it had been reported over the years. When will CPS jumps in and say enough is enough. It's their job to get involved concern the child's welfare. The mother has been neglect the future of abuse. Now, Where is Sarah? She is dead now. And some of you sitting here saying, Well shit happens, It's not CPS's fault. Then who's? Oh the abuser? Yes, I guess that's where abustive children get help from. :roll:


Eve, You kept on missing the point. The point is the Mother did not protect her own children. She is pretty much at blame as her so calls boyfriends.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

But this is CPS job's task to protect the children.

They aren't doing their job. That is my point, and has been my point this entire thread.

 

[Eve]

Let me put this in the most simple terms I can so that hopefully you will understand (I am sorry for speaking above your heads, it is the only way I know how)...

The CPS have guidelines they must follow. If the mother is not the one abusing the children, and the men who were abusing the children are not in the house any longer, CPS has no choice but to return the children, regardless of the mother's history of jumping from one abuser to another.

If you don't like the laws that govern CPS, qwitcherbichen and do something about it. We are the citizens that have the power to cause change to happen. Get off your computer and pick up a pen and paper and write to your congressmen to change the laws.

 

[Angel]

the men who were abusing the children are not in the house any longer, CPS has no choice but to return the children, regardless of the mother's history of jumping from one abuser to another.

Show me where does it say that?...

If you don't like the laws that govern CPS, qwitcherbichen and do something about it. We are the citizens that have the power to cause change to happen. Get off your computer and pick up a pen and paper and write to your congressmen to change the laws.

qwitcherbichen?? What does that mean?...

 

[Eve]

Show me where does it say that?...

I already did, see my previous post.

qwitcherbichen?? What does that mean?...

qwitcherbichen=Quit Your Bitchin'

I agree that the mother is morally responsible, but according to the law, she is not legally responsible, and the LAW is what governs the actions of CPS. If you want the actions of CPS to change, you must first change the laws that govern them.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Let me put this in the most simple terms I can so that hopefully you will understand (I am sorry for speaking above your heads, it is the only way I know how)...

The CPS have guidelines they must follow. If the mother is not the one abusing the children, and the men who were abusing the children are not in the house any longer, CPS has no choice but to return the children, regardless of the mother's history of jumping from one abuser to another.

If you don't like the laws that govern CPS, qwitcherbichen and do something about it. We are the citizens that have the power to cause change to happen. Get off your computer and pick up a pen and paper and write to your congressmen to change the laws.

Exactly, Eve. I've said this somewhere above as well. There's alot of talk and outrage when a tragedy like this happens. However, until this society decides enough is enough, and does something, more tragedies like this will happen.

Everybody seems to be blaming CPS (including myself, I'll admit it), but until we stand up and demand changes to the system, it won't stop.

 

[Angel]

I already did, see my previous post.

qwitcherbichen=Quit Your Bitchin'

Eve,

I'm sorry that you see it that way, I was only dissuss this issue here, and this happen to be a forum where we can sit down and dissuss and debates nicely with one another, if you would be kindly enough to show me which post of mine that I was bi*ching then I would apologize for my action...but as far as I see, I don't see myself bi*ching ( as you put it ) or insulting anyone in here....

If other members is allowed to speak up so can I !.....

I agree that the mother is morally responsible, but according to the law, she is not legally responsible, and the LAW is what governs the actions of CPS. If you want the actions of CPS to change, you must first change the laws that govern them.

True....

 

[Liebling:-)))]

CPS=Child Protective Services

Yes, I know what CPS stand for.

Sorry to confuse you with my post.

I mean:

What´s that word of "Child Protective Services" (CPS) for??? That´s what I´m wondering about their job task.

Their job task is supposing to protect the children from unsafety enviroement.

 

[Malfoyish]

Their job task is supposing to protect the children from unsafety enviroement.

Which they're apparently not doing.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

They aren't doing their job. That is my point, and has been my point this entire thread.

Not their job to protect the children ???

What is an exact word "CPS" for (see my response post to Eve).

What CPS do with their job if protect the children is not belong kind of their job tasks?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Which they're apparently not doing.

Sorry, I´m total surprised about this.

I was raised in England to know what CPS is. CPS took my siblings away from my abusive and unsafe family to give them to foster parents and children homes... I spent aboarding school for many years and come home to my Grandparents 3 times a year. What they doing is protect the children. It´s the same as in Germany, too because I witness it myself that few of my friends´s children were took away from them due neglect and school problems.