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I just rented a movie tonight " Munich " and I watched the introduction by the filmaker Steven Spielberg with subtitles. I am watching that now and I will let you know what I think after seeing this movie, okay?
 
It is about the aftermath of the 1972 Olympic operation in Munich, Germany. The Israelis had to respond to the events and that is how it got out of control in Europe from their home base of Israel. I am not done watching the movie yet. I am about half way through the movie where the Israelis tried to do a walk-up hit on Salameh.
 
Heath said:
It is about the aftermath of the 1972 Olympic operation in Munich, Germany. The Israelis had to respond to the events and that is how it got out of control in Europe from their home base of Israel. I am not done watching the movie yet. I am about half way through the movie where the Israelis tried to do a walk-up hit on Salameh.
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Oh that's cool. Let us know about that ;)
 
FelixKat930 said:
What's the movie about?
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It is about when 11 Israeli athletes were taken hostages and then killed by Palestine terrorists during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, Germany and then afterwards Israel hired some agents to hunt down some terrorists who masterminded the massacre in Munich.

I bought the DVD last week and it was quite a good movie to watch.
 
After seeing this movie, I would have to say some of it was good and some of it was very inappropriate but it really did show the jewish mindset as is evidenced through out the movie. I was appalled at the lack of the professionalism exhibited by the Mossad agents who became " unknown spooks " which means that their government denied and has no knowledge of these Israeli Mossad agents. Nobody in their right mind puts explosives in somebody's telephone in their own house where their family lives which really shows again the jewish mindset. It has been proved time and time again that Israelis will threaten a family even their own, an Israeli family. Keep in mind some of the events are true and where they could not fill out the spaces then it was left up to the film maker Steven Spielberg to imagine what events took place and some of the scences in the movie were disturbing. This is not a 100 % true movie. There is 50 % truth and the rest is made up from imagination as the film maker Steven Spielberg had talked about at the introduction before the movie started to play. I would have to say this is an okay movie and they had hyped up the movie to be really good but in my opinion it was okay. Not that great of a movie but excellent in that it shows really what and how the jewish mindset operates. I also do not approve of how the Palestinians do things like blowing themselves up like the shahids and things like that either but I also can understand why the Palestinians turned out like this because of the treatment the Israelis were giving towards the Palestinians even before WW 2 began. The jews were peresecuting Germans , Russians , The jews were running extortion for money and things like that which led the world to hate the jews even more by the jewish's own doings and not us. The Israelis are gonna do themselves in and God will allow it to happen for a good reason to teach the jews a lesson until they repent and acknowledge God's Son The Lord Jesus Christ and Israel has a long way to understand Romans 10:1 and thn look at Romans 10:9-13 then finally look at Romans 10:21 the same goes for the Palestinians to understand what Jesus Christ is really all about too in Romans 10:9 then Romans 10:12-13 in the KJV Holy Bible.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans 10;&version=9;
 
When I first saw the trailers for Munich, I was very interested in seeing the movie. I remember the real life events as they happened (I was 21 years old then). But as I read reviews of the movie, I lost interest. The movie was not as accurate as I had hoped, and it was described as sympathetic in its portrayal of the Palestinian terrorists.

Heath, you should read Gideon's Spies, The Secret History of the Mossad, by Gordon Thomas (Thomas Dunne Books, St. Martin's Press, New York, 1999). It is non-fiction.
 
Yes I can remember what happened in Munich and also saw on the movie years ago.

Very sad.
 
Reba said:
When I first saw the trailers for Munich, I was very interested in seeing the movie. I remember the real life events as they happened (I was 21 years old then). But as I read reviews of the movie, I lost interest. The movie was not as accurate as I had hoped, and it was described as sympathetic in its portrayal of the Palestinian terrorists.

Heath, you should read Gideon's Spies, The Secret History of the Mossad, by Gordon Thomas (Thomas Dunne Books, St. Martin's Press, New York, 1999). It is non-fiction.
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Hi Reba,

I will have to read that book. I think they might have that book at the local library as they keep new releases then put them on the regular shelves. I don't think the movie was more in sympathy with the Palestinians or the Israelis. I would have to say the film maker Steven Spielberg which by the way is ironically enough a jew himself showed the movie in a netural but a very shocking light, although not on par with " Schindler's List " but still shocking neverthless and I wanted to see one of the movies called " Syrania " also one more movie I can't remember the name of the movie which is a film about the journey a Palestinian takes towards being a shahid and shows the what and why he did it. I am very interested in Middle East history and the events surrounding Biblical Prophecy as well as the human events behind the forces driving modern day Middle East as well as Acient Middle East and what Israel was before in Biblical times and today's modern Israel. Today Germany is becoming very powerful in the European Union which is a good thing because I am happy as a German-American to see Germany is becoming stronger today in the midst of the Anti-German sentiment the world is obessed about and they have forgotten that Germany had the Berlin Wall fall, many positive changes going on inside Germany and I keep up with news in Germany and am happy to see Germany is doing very well and becoming stronger.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes I can remember what happened in Munich and also saw on the movie years ago.

Very sad.
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Hi Liebling,

Yes it was not a very good thing for the Palestinians to do but you have to remember they had to grab the world's attention to what was really going on in Palestine and how Israel was really treating Palestinians very wrong. I realize the Palestinians handled the situation wrong as they still do today. I think they need a different stragetry and there are some Palestinian organizations working to change this to a more positive approach but the Israelis as usual refuse to have peace. You also need to remember there were no suicide bombers before these events took place and shaped modern day Palestine-Israeli conflict. It was not always like this.

I was not born when these events happened but what I do remember is every year on CBS and ABC news they would hold an annual event talking about Black September but every years the newsreel would say something alittle different year by year which obivously was the hand of the Jewish controlled media press reports as they obessed about the events year after year about Black September. I got very suspicious because the news keep changing their story alittle by alittle over the years which was a real eye opener.
 
Heath said:
Yes it was not a very good thing for the Palestinians to do but you have to remember they had to grab the world's attention to what was really going on in Palestine and how Israel was really treating Palestinians very wrong.
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No, there was absolutely, positively, no excuse for what the Palestinian terrorists did.


I realize the Palestinians handled the situation wrong as they still do today. I think they need a different stragetry and there are some Palestinian organizations working to change this to a more positive approach but the Israelis as usual refuse to have peace.
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The Palestinian terrorists are the ones who don't want peace. They continue to attack Israel. Israel gives up land, disbands settlements, makes concessions but the Palestinians keep attacking.


I was not born when these events happened but what I do remember is every year on CBS and ABC news they would hold an annual event talking about Black September but every years the newsreel would say something alittle different year by year which obivously was the hand of the Jewish controlled media press reports as they obessed about the events year after year about Black September. I got very suspicious because the news keep changing their story alittle by alittle over the years which was a real eye opener.
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Baloney.

Like you said, you weren't even born then. I was an adult at that time, and I remember what happened. I saw the live news reports. There wasn't a "Jewish controlled media press reports" that "keep changing their story".
 
Heath said:
...You also need to remember there were no suicide bombers before these events took place and shaped modern day Palestine-Israeli conflict. It was not always like this....
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This is what it was like before Munich:

Jan 01, 1952 - Seven armed terrorists attacked and killed a nineteen year-old girl in her home, in the neighborhood of Beit Yisrael, in Jerusalem.
Apr 14, 1953 - Terrorists tried for the first time to infiltrate Israel by sea, but were unsuccessful. One boat was intercepted and the other escaped.
Jun 07, 1953 - A youngster was killed and three others were wounded, in shooting attacks on residential areas in southern Jerusalem.
Jun 09, 1953 - Terrorists attacked a farming community near Lod, and killed one of the residents. The terrorists threw hand grenades and sprayed gunfire in all directions. On the same night, another group of terrorists attacked a house in the town of Hadera. This occurred a day after Israel and Jordan signed an agreement, with UN mediation, in which Jordan undertook to prevent terrorists from crossing into Israel from Jordanian territory.
Jun 10, 1953 - Terrorists infiltrating from Jordan destroyed a house in the farming village of Mishmar Ayalon.
Jun 11, 1953 - Terrorists attacked a young couple in their home in Kfar Hess, and shot them to death.
Sep 02, 1953 - Terrorists infiltrated from Jordan, and reached the neighborhood of Katamon, in the heart of Jerusalem. They threw hand grenades in all directions. Miraculously, no one was hurt.
Mar 17, 1954 - Terrorists ambushed a bus traveling from Eilat to Tel Aviv, and opened fire at short range when the bus reached the area of Maale Akrabim in the northern Negev. In the initial ambush, the terrorists killed the driver and wounded most of the passengers. The terrorists then boarded the bus, and shot each passenger, one by one. Eleven passengers were murdered. Survivors recounted how the murderers spat on the bodies and abused them. The terrorists could clearly be traced back to the Jordanian border, some 20 km from the site of the terrorist attack.
Jan 02, 1955 - Terrorists killed two hikers in the Judean Desert.
Mar 24, 1955 - Terrorists threw hand grenades and opened fire on a crowd at a wedding in the farming community of Patish, in the Negev. A young woman was killed, and eighteen people were wounded in the attack.
Apr 07, 1956 - A resident of Ashkelon was killed in her home, when terrorists threw three hand grenades into her house. Two members of Kibbutz Givat Chaim were killed, when terrorists opened fire on their car, on the road from Plugot Junction to Mishmar Hanegev. There were further hand grenade and shooting attacks on homes and cars, in areas such as Nitzanim and Ketziot. One person was killed and three others wounded.
Apr 11, 1956 - Terrorists opened fire on a synagogue full of children and teenagers, in the farming community of Shafrir. Three children and a youth worker were killed on the spot, and five were wounded, including three seriously.
Apr 29, 1956 - Egyptians killed Roi Rotenberg, 21 years of age, from Nahal Oz.
Sep 12, 1956 - Terrorists killed three Druze guards at Ein Ofarim, in the Arava region.
Sep 23, 1956 - Terrorists opened fire from a Jordanian position, and killed four archaeologists, and wounded sixteen others, near Kibbutz Ramat Rachel.
Sep 24, 1956 - Terrorists killed a girl in the fields of the farming community of Aminadav, near Jerusalem.
Oct 04, 1956 – Terrorists killed five Israeli workers in Sdom.
Oct 09, 1956 - Two workers were killed by terrorists in an orchard of the youth village, Neve Hadassah, in the Sharon region.
Nov 08, 1956 - Terrorists opened fire on a train, attacked cars and blew up wells, in the North and Center of Israel. Six Israelis were wounded.
Feb 18, 1957 - Two civilians were killed by terrorist landmines, next to Nir Yitzhak, on the southern border of the Gaza Strip.
Mar 08, 1957 - A shepherd from Kibbutz Beit Govrin was killed by terrorists in a field near the Kibbutz.
Apr 16, 1957 - Terrorists infiltrated from Jordan, and killed two guards at Kibbutz Mesilot.
May 20, 1957 - A terrorist opened fire on a truck in the Arava region, killing a worker.
May 29, 1957 - A tractor driver was killed and two others wounded, when the vehicle struck a terrorist landmine, next to Kibbutz Kisufim.
Jun 23, 1957 - Israelis were wounded by terrorist landmines, close to the Gaza Strip.
Aug 23, 1957 - Two guards of the Israeli Mekorot water company were killed by terrorists near Kibbutz Beit Govrin.
Dec 21, 1957 - A member of Kibbutz Gadot was killed by terrorists in the Kibbutz fields.
Feb 11, 1958 - Terrorists killed a resident of Moshav Yanov who was on his way to Kfar Yona, in the Sharon area.
Apr 05, 1958 - Terrorists lying in ambush shot and killed two people near Tel Lachish.
Apr 22, 1958 - Jordanian terrorists shot and killed two fishermen near Aqaba.
May 26, 1958 - Four Israeli police officers were killed in a Jordanian terrorist attack on Mt. Scopus, in Jerusalem.
Nov 17, 1958 - Syrian terrorists killed the wife of the British air attache in Israel, who was staying at the guesthouse of the Italian Convent on the Mt. of the Beatitudes.
Dec 03, 1958 - A shepherd was killed at Kibbutz Gonen. In the artillery attack by terrorists that followed, 31 civilians were wounded.
Jan 23, 1959 - A shepherd from Kibbutz Lehavot Habashan was killed by terrorists.
Feb 01, 1959 - Three civilians were killed by a terrorist landmine near Moshav Zavdiel.
Apr 15, 1959 - A guard was killed by terrorists at Kibbutz Ramat Rahel.
Apr 27, 1959 - Two hikers were shot at close range by terrorists and killed near Massada.
Sep 06, 1959 - Bedouin terrorists killed a paratroop reconnaissance officer near Nitzana.
Sep 08, 1959 - Bedouins terrorists opened fire on an army bivouac in the Negev, killing an IDF officer, Captain Yair Peled.
Oct 03, 1959 - A shepherd from Kibbutz Heftziba was killed by terrorists near Kibbutz Yad Hana.
Apr 26, 1960 - Terrorists killed a resident of Ashkelon south of the city.
Apr 12, 1962 - Terrorists fired on an Egged bus on the way to Eilat; one passenger was wounded.
Sep 30, 1962 - Two terrorists attacked an Egged bus on the way to Eilat. No one was wounded.
Jan 01, 1965 - Palestinian terrorists attempted to bomb the National Water Carrier. This was the first attack carried out by the PLO's Fatah faction.
May 31, 1965 - Jordanian terrorists fired on the neighborhood of Musrara in Jerusalem, killing two civilians and wounding four.
Jun 01, 1965 - Terrorists attack a house in Kibbutz Yiftach.
Jul 05, 1965 - A Fatah terrorism cell planted explosives at Mitzpe Massua, near Beit Guvrin; and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kafr Battir.
Aug 26, 1965 - A waterline was sabotaged by terrorists at Kibbutz Manara, in the Upper Galilee.
Sep 29, 1965 - A terrorist was killed as he attempted to attack Moshav Amatzia.
Nov 7, 1965 - A Fatah terrorist cell that infiltrated from Jordan blew up a house in Moshav Givat Yeshayahu, south of Beit Shemesh. The house was destroyed, but the inhabitants were miraculously unhurt.
Apr 25, 1966 - Explosions placed by terrorists wounded two civilians and damaged three houses in Moshav Beit Yosef, in the Beit Shean Valley.
May 16, 1966 - Two Israelis were killed when their jeep hit a terrorist landmine, north of the Sea of Galilee and south of Almagor. Tracks led into Syria.
Jul 13, 1966 - Two soldiers and a civilian were killed near Almagor, when their truck struck a terrorist landmine.
Jul 14, 1966 - Terrorists attacked a house in Kfar Yuval, in the North.
Jul 19, 1966 - Terrorists infiltrated into Moshav Margaliot on the northern border and planted nine explosive charges.
Oct 27, 1966 - A civilian was wounded by a terrorist bomb on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem.
Jan 14, 1967 - Terrorists laid a land mine that at a soccer game, which exploded killing 1 and injuring 2.
Mar 06, 1968 - A terrorist explosion at the Hebrew University cafeteria wounded dozens of students.
Mar 18, 1968 - Terrorists laid a land mine that blew up a school bus, killing 2 children and injuring 28 others.
Sep 04, 1968 - Palestinian terrorists planted explosives in the Tel Aviv bus station, killing one person, and wounding 70.
Sep 22, 1968 - Palestinian terrorists booby trapped a car. The car exploded in the shopping market Mahen Yehuda in Jerusalem, killing 12 people and wounding 70.
Jun 17, 1969 - Shirley Louise Anderson, a 25 year -old tourist from Rochester, New York, was killed when PLO shelled the Israeli resort town of Kallia
Dec 27, 1969 - Leon Holz, 48, a tourrist from Brooklyn, New York was killed when PLO terrorists fired shots at a tourist bus near Hebron
Feb 21, 1970 - Barbara Ertle, of Grandville, Michigan, wife of Reverend Theodore Ertl, was killed during a PLO terrorist shooting attack on a busload of pilgrims in the village of Halhoul, near Hebron
May 22, 1970- Palestinian terrorists attacked a school bus at the Mosha Avivim in the Upper Galilee. 9 children, the driver and 2 other adults are killed, and 19 children are wounded.
Jan 22, 1971 - Palestinian terrorists attacked an Israeli family in the Gaza Strip, killing 2 children and wounding the mother.
Jul 07, 1971 - Palestinian terrorists launched Katushya rockets on Petach Tikva, near Tel Aviv, killing 3 women and one child.
Oct 09, 1971 - A terrorist threw a hand grenade at the Western Wall, wounding 16 Israelis.
May 30, 1972 - Terrorists from the Red Army allied with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine shoot indiscriminately in the Lod airport, killing 25 people and wounding 70. One of those killed was Aharon Katzir, an internationally renowned scientist.
http://lindasog.com/public/terrorvictims.htm
 
The following statistics provided by the National Insurance Institute:

Palestinian terrorists killed Israelis:

1920s total = 164

1930s total = 181

1940s total = 756

1950s total = 347
 
Hi Reba, I never said I approved of what the Palestinians are doing. I said that there were no suicide bomber until after that happened and yes there were tit for tat killings going on since the 1940's. You also have to realize the Israelis were wrong too. Recently I heard that the Israeli Army shot a 10 year old Palestinian kid who was doing nothing then the Israeli soldier's high ranking commander told him to kill the 3 years old Palestinian kid too as well and the Arabs got very angry. In another incidient at night time in a Palestinian village. The Israelis came shooting everybody in their houses while they were sleeping and nobody was shooting back because that was a very quiet village and there were a few lone guards posted. I know that the tanks always send rounds downrange and exploded houses on impact. The Arabic wife and the kids of the Palestinians had nothing to do with terrorist activity. It only makes the whole neighborhood more angry. I don't approve of what the Palestinians are doing neither do I approve of what the Israelis are doing either. They should not cross into each other's neighborhoods and only have guards posted with backup as necessary. The Israelis are provoking things much more worse but so are the Palestinians. The Wall does help some but it hurts both the Israeli and the Palestinian encomocy. Both neighborhoods need peace.
 
I saw this movie in the theatre with rwc and thought Spielberg sure has an ax to grind. I was quite turned off by the movie and hope Spielberg comes to know Christ as his Savior.
 
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