mmmmhhh sex phone bill...

[Reba]

...One thing, I would like to ask you question about gun legal in your country. Would you own gun in your house? Would you teach your children about gun?

If yes, that´s exact same as what we do with our children and alocholic. ...

I don't understand how letting your kids drink underage is the same as Americans having guns in their houses. In America, it is legal to keep guns in the house and to teach children how to safely use them. It is not legal for minors to buy guns but it is legal for them to use them, with adult supervision. It is not legal for minors to buy or use alcohol, with or without adult supervision. Therefore, the law is not the same.

In America, it is illegal for parents to serve alcohol to their minor children.

 

[Reba]

Do you mean criminals? logical yes.

Not just criminals. For example, suppose someone is driving down a street at 60 mph and doesn't notice the speed limit sign is 45 mph because a bush partly hides the sign. A policeman pulls over the driver and gives him a ticket for speeding. The driver complains and says, "I didn't know the speed limit because I didn't see the sign." The policeman answers, "It doesn't matter if you are ignorant of the law. It is no excuse. The speed limit for this road is 45 mph all the time. You were driving 60 mph. You broke the law."

But it´s different with workplaces, doctors, etc. etc.

That is a different situation. That is "full disclosure" in a contractual agreement that is required by both parties. If one party withholds or distorts information that is illegal. That is not the same as the other party being ignorant.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

I do let my two children goes to "The Backyard" Dance club there's no acholic.. 8-17 yrs old Dance Club out there.. In my hometown.. Every Friday, so I have relaxation a break and grab my errands chores outgoing.. Which it's excellent for me have no kids around w/me while I'm gone shopping... but last son does'nt like Dance Club.. He always come w/me around errands.. doesn't bother at all.. hee hee... sometimes he whine and want something to buy.. I told him.. no.. remind you owe me phone bill.. He said oh darn, Oh right mom.

(chuckles)

 

[Reba]

I do let my two children goes to "The Backyard" Dance club there's no acholic.. 8-17 yrs old Dance Club out there.. .

Question: Do they have separate times for different age groups, or are the 8-year-olds and 17-year-olds "dancing" together at the same time?

I have never heard of a "dance club" for children so young.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Reba I don't know about in your area but here in Canada local Community Centres sometimes organize dances for pre- teens, and teens, separately.
They can be on different days = Fri for pre-teens, Sat for teens.
Usually they are pretty well organised sometimes however there be always some troublemaker. But it's usually well taken care of.
No alcohol is served.
Everyone's happy

Fuzzy

 

[Reba]

Reba I don't know about in your area but here in Canada local Community Centres sometimes organize dances for pre- teens, and teens, separately.
They can be on different days = Fri for pre-teens, Sat for teens.
Usually they are pretty well organised sometimes however there be always some troublemaker. But it's usually well taken care of.
No alcohol is served.
Everyone's happy

Fuzzy

Thanks for the explanation.

I'm relieved to know that the kids are divided by age group. I'm sure that teens don't want the little kids around, and that the little kids are safer without teenage influence or pressure.

I'm still surprised that pre-teen kids go to dances. It seems that they are being pushed into adulthood much too young. So sad.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

I thought so too before but I think it's not bad at all. The children are happy to be together, they are learning how to socialise and the dances are supplied with typical children activities- face painting, balloons, games, hot dogs, cotton sugar.
Just that there is music, darker room and disco decorations. I think the age group is from 7 or 8- to 12 but I am not sure.

Not all are dressing up at all.
Fuzzy

 

[Opal]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tamara
No, no, not yet.

Danny is still a little boy - or pre-teen boy until he turn 13 next March, he will become a teenager boy.

teenager - the years 13-19 in a person's life

Well, to me yes because Danny talk maturity and have mature body. He is 5 inches taller than me. His behavior is too maturity. We communicate with Danny like adult but he and Alan are still our responsible as parent until they are 18 years old. Danny is no longer a little boy.




Did you heard that 12 years old become father?

>>>>Did you heard that 12 years old become father?<<<<

goodness gracious. yes that happens, thankfully here rarely,
but with all due respect,
so can the monkey in the Zoo become a father, and my friend's cat just had kittens- does that makes the guilty tomcat a father? he certainly planted the seed....

Just because a 12 years old boy knows where to (excuse me) put his business to have sex, doesn't mean he is mature. Certainly not enough to be a father. He fathered a child alright but I doubt psychologically he is mature enough to grasp the concept of being a father let alone to be one.. and even if he is brought up so his values and morals dictate to take care of the infant he helped to produce, he still is in no way able to fully comprehend what happened.
Juts think back Liebling I don't know how old are you now but think when you were 12 years old. And imagine yourself to suddenly become a mother.

Fuzzy

Well said Fuzzy!

If you think 12 years old is a "teenager" just because they can make babies, so this mean a 5 years old little girl is become teenager overnight because she is the youngest Mum? They are not mature enough to bring up their babies alone!!

They are not teenager until their 13th Birthday! We have special jewellery engraved for 13, 18 and 21 in Australia as coming of age!

http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/medina.asp

http://www.sexualrecords.com/WSRprev.html

 

[Audiofuzzy]

>>If you think 12 years old is a "teenager" just because they can make babies,<<

I think Liebling means that 12 y old kids can be interested in and are capable of having sex at this age, and if the parenst are still thinking of them as of a little kids there might be a big problems later, like 12 y old fathers and mothers. That doesn't meant they are emotionally mature. They are kids having kids.

So, she (Liebling) feels it's better to be aware of the fact that already this young can play with sex, and it's better to educate them accordingly before is too late.

The truth is, we the parents often are unaware what kids REALLY do when we are not looking.
Even if we feel we have best and most open relationship with our kids, unpleasant surpises happen, sadly.

At least I think that's what Liebling is trying to say..


Fuzzy

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That's the problem, Ken sees her anger and is scare to tell her the truth, Some parents are like that way and that's not how to handle the situation. What she needs to do was after she recoved on her phone bill of sex calls, the first thing she needs to do be by herself for a bit until she is all calm down, she could ask Ken what happen in a nice way, that's the only way children can come up to you and tell you the truth, only if parents promise they wouldn't get more upset after a child tells them the truth. Communication is very important on both parties, sit and listen, hear the child out and then take care of the punishment afterwards if needed.

Yes, it´s an exactly what I said in previous posts and other threads...

And it isn't the first time Ken did that, I can tell the way he was influencing Alan by calling them, I mean how would he know that the number he was going to dial was supposed to be funny? He could have done it before, and knowing that Ken's mother knew about it, and still let him stay home alone?

Yeah, that´s what my hubby & I thought so. *sigh*

I don´t know what´s the reason they unblock 0190 for. Okay, this is their business either they want to keep 0190 or not. She denied my question about how Ken knows about 0190 and use her phone?

Ken´s mother said "it´s not first time that Ken disrespect her rule to not touch phone". I am not sure what she mean is 0190 or just not touch phone? She didn´t replied as I suggest her to block 0190.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

>>If you think 12 years old is a "teenager" just because they can make babies,<<

I think Liebling means that 12 y old kids can be interested in and are capable of having sex at this age, and if the parenst are still thinking of them as of a little kids there might be a big problems later, like 12 y old fathers and mothers. That doesn't meant they are emotionally mature. They are kids having kids.

So, she (Liebling) feels it's better to be aware of the fact that already this young can play with sex, and it's better to educate them accordingly before is too late.

The truth is, we the parents often are unaware what kids REALLY do when we are not looking.
Even if we feel we have best and most open relationship with our kids, unpleasant surpises happen, sadly.

At least I think that's what Liebling is trying to say..


Fuzzy

Yes, that´s exactly what I tried to explain Tamara in my previous post.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well, if it was me after the meeting with Ken's Mother, I would offer to pay maybe 25% of that bill as a good neighbor gesture. Alan would learn something because, since this was not the first time, there's no way Alan didn't know that this activity was "not allowed", especially since there was no supervision at the house for a period of time....but that's just me.

Yes, I know what you mean about good neigbor gesture but money is not everything to buy friendship or being good neighbor...

We accept the responsible to pay anything if our children play outside to damage anything without our supersiovr...

What I did as good neighbor to offer Ken´s mother to watch Ken if one of them are away for week or any emergencies...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I know kids are doing it out of curious. We all do. Yea it is parents responsible to keep an eyes on them. I have done my share of responsible.

Yes, it´s normal for the children to experience their curious...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm surprised that anyone is going to discos now. I thought discos died out about 20 years ago. Maybe that was just in America.

:jaw: I can´t image it... it would end children boring to become criminal... Let children enjoy themselves... I can´t see anything why the children should not go to disco to have their fun.

Anyway, you said exactly, "If my underage children want to go disco, then I will make sure that they don't drink too much...."

"Underage" means the children are not legally old enough to drink alcohol. If you allow your "underage" children to drink alcohol (even "not too much") it is illegal, against the law. So you were saying that you allow your children to break the law. That shocked me. I thought you always said you taught your children to obey the law, not break the law.

Huh? I see nothing wrong if my children want to try one glass of wine or beer. It doesn´t mean that they become alcoholic. It would make the children curious more and more if you keep on forbid them all the time. Let them curious what wine or beer taste alike. It´s important to trust my children´s maturity to limit with alcohol. It doesn´t mean that they break their law because they only drink one glass of wine or beer. It´s okay for police if they limit their alcohol. They break the law for overlimit alcohol and drunk to public or whatever...

It´s normal for every parents to worry and make sure their children´s safety before they go out because they are still parent´s responsible until they are 18 years old.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Not just criminals. For example, suppose someone is driving down a street at 60 mph and doesn't notice the speed limit sign is 45 mph because a bush partly hides the sign. A policeman pulls over the driver and gives him a ticket for speeding. The driver complains and says, "I didn't know the speed limit because I didn't see the sign." The policeman answers, "It doesn't matter if you are ignorant of the law. It is no excuse. The speed limit for this road is 45 mph all the time. You were driving 60 mph. You broke the law."

That is a different situation. That is "full disclosure" in a contractual agreement that is required by both parties. If one party withholds or distorts information that is illegal. That is not the same as the other party being ignorant.

Don´t mix law system with parent´s rule here. We are talking here about parent´s rule and supersivor, not law system.

Everyone knows what law system we have. All what I say here is every parents MUST sure their children´s safety because it´s parent´s responsible until children are 18 years old.

We teach our children to respect our rules which different as law system... It´s my responsible if I forget to teach something to my children, not children.

As what I see American law to allow teenagers to have driving liescne aged 15 which it´s too responsible for the parents... They have to make sure their children´s safety because they are responsible for their children. Here in Germany law - driving liescne from 18 years old. It´s their responsible, not parent.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I thought so too before but I think it's not bad at all. The children are happy to be together, they are learning how to socialise and the dances are supplied with typical children activities- face painting, balloons, games, hot dogs, cotton sugar.
Just that there is music, darker room and disco decorations. I think the age group is from 7 or 8- to 12 but I am not sure.

Not all are dressing up at all.
Fuzzy

Very true... that´s what I thought so. It´s same here in Germany, too.

We have disco at sport hall and school 3 times a year... It´s cool to see disco what the children lead... plenty of balloons, music with color lights, they socialise each other with glass of cola, fanta, etc. My children loves it.

The village disco in next village is for teenagers and adult in different weekday... (Friday - teenager and Wednesday and Saturday for Adult). My children know we won´t let them to go there until they end their education then.... but my children told me today that there´re no alcohol for teenagers in village disco and alcohol for adult on Wednesday and Saturday.

 

[Reba]

I can´t image it... it would end children boring to become criminal... Let children enjoy themselves... I can´t see anything why the children should not go to disco to have their fun.

I meant that disco is NOT popular in the United States. Disco died about 20 years ago. No one goes to "discos" in the US, not teens, not kids, not adults. Hubby told me that discos are still popular in Europe only.

Huh? I see nothing wrong if my children want to try one glass of wine or beer.

I wasn't even discussing whether or not it was "wrong". I was stating that it is illegal in the United States.

It doesn´t mean that they break their law because they only drink one glass of wine or beer. It´s okay for police if they limit their alcohol. They break the law for overlimit alcohol and drunk to public or whatever...

Germany's laws are different. You are saying that there is no legal minimum age limit for drinking alcohol in Germany? Do you mean it is legal for children to drink alcohol?

In the United States, it is illegal for anyone under age 21 years to drink alcohol.

 

[Reba]

Don´t mix law system with parent´s rule here. We are talking here about parent´s rule and supersivor, not law system.

Yes, Ma'am! (salute!)

 

[GalaxyAngel]

Question: Do they have separate times for different age groups, or are the 8-year-olds and 17-year-olds "dancing" together at the same time?

I have never heard of a "dance club" for children so young.

The Backyard Club doesn't want seeing young get into trouble or boring can be lead into worst.. So The Backyard Club provide them and have fun dance and playing pinball, pool, Drink Soda, Pizza, Chips and Movie..
I did went there and checked.. whoa.. it's looking so cool.. Comfy as good spacouis for young children and teenagers. Lot of Staff who are supervision all young ages and teenagers.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Germany's laws are different. You are saying that there is no legal minimum age limit for drinking alcohol in Germany? Do you mean it is legal for children to drink alcohol?

In the United States, it is illegal for anyone under age 21 years to drink alcohol.

Forgive me for not response your post an earlier.

Here is link explain about German law.

Under the German law parents can authorize their kids alcohol at any age. >From the age of 16 teenagers are entitled to buy alcohol up to 15%Vol. which includes beer, wine, sparkling wine and hard limonades. The purchase of hard liquor is possible from 18 on, the possession though is allowed under gaining the adulthood.

http://www.hausarbeiten.de/faecher/hausarbeit/eni/18452.html

Like what I said before that we parents are responsible for our children until they are 18 years old.

It´s okay for police as long as we are responsible for our children until they are 18 years old. It doesn´t mean that I teach my children to break the law... I will allow my children tried beer or wine because I beleive it´s better to let them to curious something than say no no no no then let them go wrong way with wrong crowd...