Medicare

[Jiro]

Would you give up your motorcycle and ride a Vespa because it is "free"

well if I have a motorcycle in the first place, it's because I can afford it and I can certainly afford to "give" up a free Vespa

so it's entirely up to rolling to give up a free meal or not.

 

[TXgolfer]

well if I have a motorcycle in the first place, it's because I can afford it and I can certainly afford to "give" up a free Vespa

so it's entirely up to rolling to give up a free meal or not.

Excellent. Now, since you have chosen to keep your bike... You are going to have to give up money you have been saving for 40 years.... Still cool?

 

[Jiro]

Excellent. Now, since you have chosen to keep your bike... You are going to have to give up money you have been saving for 40 years.... Still cool?

not even worried about it because I don't need it and I hope it goes to those who depends on it. beside... I don't plan on relying on SS as my retirement fund. I'm not that poor.

 

[TXgolfer]

not even worried about it because I don't need it and I hope it goes to those who depends on it. beside... I don't plan on relying on SS as my retirement fund. I'm not that poor.

Ah, see most charitable people pick charities than the government. But of course that takes thought and effort.

 

[Jiro]

Ah, see must charitable people pick charities than the government. But of course that takes thought and effort.

they are free to do so.

but the difference is - for poor people, charities pick and choose. government doesn't.

 

[Foxrac]

You Can't Opt Out of Medicare Without Losing Social Security, Judge Rules - ElderLawAnswers Articles

Are you scare to quote me?

For article, not surprised about court ruling.

 

[TXgolfer]

they are free to do so.

but the difference is - for poor people, charities pick and choose. government doesn't.

If a charity borrows against contributions the board goes to jail. Congress doesn't. Choose your poison. It's amazing to me that you would be willing to just leave money in a system that you yourself said is very flawed. But oh well, there is no law against making poor choices.

 

[Jiro]

If a charity borrows against contributions the board goes to jail. Congress doesn't. Choose your poison.

that's not what I said. I said a charity picks and chooses. Government doesn't.

It's amazing to me that you would be willing to just leave money in a system that you yourself said is very flawed. But oh well, there is no law against making poor choices.

I trust that the system will improve itself to be less flawed.

The amount of money I leave in a system would be a trifle compared to my retirement fund.

 

[Foxrac]

that's not what I said. I said a charity picks and chooses. Government doesn't.


I trust that the system will improve itself to be less flawed.

The amount of money I leave in a system would be a trifle compared to my retirement fund.

TXgolfer's mind about charities are perfect and offer EVERYTHING. :roll:

 

[DeafTim]

I do know Medicare doesnt cover hearing aids and dental..bunch of crap!

 

[Reba]

I know that retired veterans who use VA hospitals are required to use all third party insurances first before they use the VA. When I turn 65 I will have to use Medicare at the VA before they will allow me to use Tricare or VA. If VA knows that you are old enough for Medicare, they will cover only the part beyond what Medicare covers. Just a few days ago the military pharmacy made me get forms to fill out that prove I'm not yet on Medicare. Otherwise, they can refuse service to me.

Maybe that isn't technically being "forced" to use Medicare but....

 

[TXgolfer]

that's not what I said. I said a charity picks and chooses. Government doesn't.

It's what I said.

I trust that the system will improve itself to be less flawed.

The amount of money I leave in a system would be a trifle compared to my retirement fund.

Glad you have a plan....many don't. Also, most people consider 12.4% of their income (10.4 currently) to be a significant amount of money and would want it back...If you don't that is your right. *shrug*

 

[Jiro]

It's what I said.

a feeble attempt to hide inconvenient truth about charity programs, eh?

Glad you have a plan....many don't.

that should be really of no concern to you if they're bad with money. As you've always said - "not my problem."

Also, most people consider 12.4% of their income (10.4 currently) to be a significant amount of money and would want it back...If you don't that is your right. *shrug*

ah.... that gimme gimme gimme attitude....

 

[rolling7]

I know that retired veterans who use VA hospitals are required to use all third party insurances first before they use the VA. When I turn 65 I will have to use Medicare at the VA before they will allow me to use Tricare or VA. If VA knows that you are old enough for Medicare, they will cover only the part beyond what Medicare covers. Just a few days ago the military pharmacy made me get forms to fill out that prove I'm not yet on Medicare. Otherwise, they can refuse service to me.

Maybe that isn't technically being "forced" to use Medicare but....

Same thing here. On my last hospital care, the hospital would not bill my insurance until I proved I did not have Medicare yet. That was a headache.

You and I are forced to pay into SS and Medicare, through deductions of our paychecks, and the money taken is ours but we can not get that money back without the systems "permission". The system is really not set up to take care of those hard workers whom pay into the system but to take care of those whom make none or little contributions.

 

[Foxrac]

a feeble attempt to hide inconvenient truth about charity programs, eh?


that should be really of no concern to you if they're bad with money. As you've always said - "not my problem."


ah.... that gimme gimme gimme attitude....

because he is pathological liar.

 

[Reba]

ah.... that gimme gimme gimme attitude....

Is that what you call expecting a return on your taxes? Do you think you should just shovel your money over to the Feds and get nothing in return? If you pay premiums for your insurance, don't you expect to get service for those premiums?

If you get into an accident with your motorcycle, do you call it a "gimme gimme gimme attitude" when you expect your insurance company to pay for your bike and medical expenses? Or do you consider that getting what you paid for?

 

[Jiro]

Same thing here. On my last hospital care, the hospital would not bill my insurance until I proved I did not have Medicare yet. That was a headache.

You and I are forced to pay into SS and Medicare, through deductions of our paychecks, and the money taken is ours but we can not get that money back without the systems "permission". The system is really not set up to take care of those hard workers whom pay into the system but to take care of those whom make none or little contributions.

this is precisely what PPACA is going to take care of. Currently, the system does not take care of hard workers especially middle-class and now with PPACA in place... it will expand its coverage to those people. It's very silly that many hardworking middle-classes families pay into system and not get taken care of by the system when they can't afford health insurance.

 

[Jiro]

Is that what you call expecting a return on your taxes?

but to have a "gimme gimme gimme" attitude aka self-entitlement is just plain dang silly. Either you're doing it right or wrong in order to maximize your tax return. It's not my problem nor my fault if people are clueless with tax and money.

Do you think you should just shovel your money over to the Feds and get nothing in return?

well I don't expect anything from the Feds because I'm not in a poverty level and because of how the system is set up as.

If you pay premiums for your insurance, don't you expect to get service for those premiums?

well since I'm already paying premiums... I should be getting what I paid for and I certainly am getting what I paid for.

If you get into an accident with your motorcycle, do you call it a "gimme gimme gimme attitude" when you expect your insurance company to pay for your bike and medical expenses? Or do you consider that getting what you paid for?

well I can afford such a privilege to get what I paid for.... and I'd like rest of people especially hardworking people to have a similar privilege from government... which is what PPACA is all about.

 

[Reba]

but to have a "gimme gimme gimme" attitude aka self-entitlement is just plain dang silly. Either you're doing it right or wrong in order to maximize your tax return. It's not my problem nor my fault if people are clueless with tax and money.

Do you know some way to avoid paying Social Security/Medicare taxes?

It's not unearned self-entitlement if we've paid for it.

well I don't expect anything from the Feds because I'm not in a poverty level and because of how the system is set up as.

It has nothing to do with a poverty level. Unless you mean that you're rich enough to provide your own highways and army.

You don't expect Federal highways and bridges to be built and maintained? You don't expect a federally-funded military to protect you?

well since I'm already paying premiums... I should be getting what I paid for and I certainly am getting what I paid for.

Exactly. That's the same for making Medicare payments. I've paid into that system since 1967.

well I can afford such a privilege to get what I paid for.... and I'd like rest of people especially hardworking people to have a similar privilege from government... which is what PPACA is all about.

I don't think it's a "privilege" to get Medicare.

 

[Jiro]

Do you know some way to avoid paying Social Security/Medicare taxes?

No I don't. That would be a tax evasion.

It's not unearned self-entitlement if we've paid for it.

That's why I'm glad PPACA has passed so that we can get what we paid for.

It has nothing to do with a poverty level. Unless you mean that you're rich enough to provide your own highways and army.

You don't expect Federal highways and bridges to be built and maintained?

I'm wondering how did it go from motorcycle example to highway/army example.

You don't expect a federally-funded military to protect you?

no. That's what Amendment 2 is for. It's up to citizens to protect themselves or wait for military.

Exactly. That's the same for making Medicare payments. I've paid into that system since 1967.

all for more reason to support PPACA!

I don't think it's a "privilege" to get Medicare.

no it is not a privilege. A privilege I speak of is being able to afford a private insurance (and also thru my work) but ALL folks should be having an access to health insurance especially Medicaid but since it's a public service, they should not expect same quality and privilege that people with private insurance have. This is what many people get confused about.

Just because I pay taxes that funds my local police department doesn't mean I expect a Secret Service-like service from them. It's for everybody and if you want a better service, simple - get your own security team.... or get a gun.