Marine Corps delays pull-up requirement for women

[Reba]

Are these women ready for combat?

Marine Corps delays pull-up requirement for women

The Marine Corps has delayed the requirement for female Marines to do three pullups because most women have so far been unable to pass the test.

For 40 years, male recruits were required to perform three pullups to prove their upper body strength for combat, where they would need to carry heavy equipment and potentially lift themselves out of mud walls. Starting Jan. 1, female recruits would have been required to do the same.

But 55 percent of female recruits could not complete all three pullups, compared to just 1 percent of male recruits who could not, so the requirement was delayed. The Marine Corps made the announcement without fanfare on Twitter and its TV show, the Corps Report. Currently, female Marines only have to hold their chin above a pullup bar for 15 seconds.

This suggests a need by the Marine Corps to hide the fact that equality in combat may not be possible, though some female Marines are able to pass the test. So far 13 have done so.

Marine Corps delays pull-up requirement for women | Fox News

The 15-second chin hang was in effect when I retired as a Naval Reservist in 1995. Do they mean to tell us that they're still using that same weak requirement? I wouldn't want to go into combat with someone not physically ready.

 

[shel90]

My husband who was a Marine said the 15 sec hang is a lot harder than doing 3 pull ups.

 

[Reba]

My husband who was a Marine said the 15 sec hang is a lot harder than doing 3 pull ups.

For women? Yet, 55% of women fail the pull up requirement.

I always found the pull ups harder to do. I was queen of the sit-ups but weak with the upper body requirements.

 

[Lau2046]

For women? Yet, 55% of women fail the pull up requirement.

I always found the pull ups harder to do. I was queen of the sit-ups but weak with the upper body requirements.

Most women lack upper body strength. I personally think having the same physical standards are unfair because men and women don't share the same anatomy.

Laura

 

[shel90]

For women? Yet, 55% of women fail the pull up requirement.

I always found the pull ups harder to do. I was queen of the sit-ups but weak with the upper body requirements.

He said for himself and his fellow Marines.

 

[Reba]

Most women lack upper body strength. I personally think having the same physical standards are unfair because men and women don't share the same anatomy.

Laura

I agree. That's one reason why I don't support women in combat, especially on the ground.

 

[Foxrac]

I agree. That's one reason why I don't support women in combat, especially on the ground.

If women could pass the pull-up requirement so I believe they could go involve in combat, but if they can't pass so can't go to combat for safety reason.

 

[Calvin]

For USA maybe, but other countries, women in combat serving as snipers and other duties in the past. Women nurses stationed behind enemy lines to treat the wounded in wartime but very few women has seen combat. Not sure about women pilots today but back then they deliver planes and transported troops but not combat pilot.

If women could pass the pull-up requirement so I believe they could go involve in combat, but if they can't pass so can't go to combat for safety reason.

 

[goodonya]

I had a great aunt who was an air force transport pilot on the Murmansk run in WWll. My family does not know much about her. That is why I keep mentioning how having the capability we have now we can preserve so much more about a persons life. Peoples stories so often die with them. It does not have to be that way now.

 

[ncff07]

I had a great aunt who was an air force transport pilot on the Murmansk run. My family does not know much about her. That is why I keep mentioning how having the capability we have now we can preserve so much more about a persons life. Peoples stories so often die with them. It does not have to be that way now.

That's a good idea ... I'd like to have known my grand dads and my dads military service before they died ....

Is there a place you can look up someones military service record anywhere?

 

[Frisky Feline]

if they want to go then go for it.

 

[TinCanSailor]

That's a good idea ... I'd like to have known my grand dads and my dads military service before they died ....

Is there a place you can look up someones military service record anywhere?

I have done this before to find military info:

Military Records: The Standard Form 180, Request Pertaining to Military Records (SF180). Google it and you can download the PDF form.

If you do not have enough info to fill in all the blocks, I would suggest joining Ancestry.com and search census lists.

I did my great grandfather (on my mom's side) who served in the Civil War. I received his military service dates, unit, detailed medical records (he was wounded), different battles. Also showed where he was medically discharged and revealed his war pension. It listed his wife's name.

I Googled the battle names, which gave me much more of what happened.

When I get around to it, I want to search my grandfather, my dad and his three brothers who served in WW II. Only info on deceased people can be requested.

Most veterans will only talk about their service in general terms with their families. You can find out more with the form submission.

 

[Jane B.]

I have done this before to find military info:

Military Records: The Standard Form 180, Request Pertaining to Military Records (SF180). Google it and you can download the PDF form.

If you do not have enough info to fill in all the blocks, I would suggest joining Ancestry.com and search census lists.

I did my great grandfather (on my mom's side) who served in the Civil War. I received his military service dates, unit, detailed medical records (he was wounded), different battles. Also showed where he was medically discharged and revealed his war pension. It listed his wife's name.

I Googled the battle names, which gave me much more of what happened.

When I get around to it, I want to search my grandfather, my dad and his three brothers who served in WW II. Only info on deceased people can be requested.

Most veterans will only talk about their service in general terms with their families. You can find out more with the form submission.

Would this work for someone that served as an Army nurse? I had a great aunt that served way back. I know she was probably in the Spanish/American War and at one point served under and really admired Patton. She got out on a medical but lived into her 90's. She died in the 1970's but I would have to look up the exact year.

 

[goodonya]

Thank you TCS this will help!

A couple of asides here.
A retired friend that basically retired to the VFW bar the last few years told me I can visit the VFW if I have proof that my Dad was military and that something like that is how I can get it. I am not a drinker so the only reason I would go would be to try and get him out of there for a while... smiles... We have a LOT of VFW's around here.
We can round up little odds and ends of these past lives but we cannot retrieve their voices..their stories, the who they were and what they actually did. With all the capabilities we have today we can pass that on.
A CD can hold so much. It is something that can be a future treasure to the family.
It seems kind of inconsequential maybe to us personally but I can speak for myself for sure that it would be totally awesome to have CD's of my grandparents and my parents and aunts and so on.

It seems entirely doable for a someone to build up a software just for this kind of autobiography for families of the future. Why not give them your voice, your looks, your thoughts, and what you have done with your life and video of the world that is your life?

Maybe someone from the Deaf community can make some real money such a kind of standard software to work with together.

 

[ncff07]

 

[goodonya]

Thank you TCS this will help!

A couple of asides here.
A retired friend that basically retired to the VFW bar the last few years told me I can visit the VFW if I have proof that my Dad was military and that something like that is how I can get it. I am not a drinker so the only reason I would go would be to try and get him out of there for a while... smiles... We have a LOT of VFW's around here.
We can round up little odds and ends of these past lives but we cannot retrieve their voices..their stories, the who they were and what they actually did. With all the capabilities we have today we can pass that on.
A CD can hold so much. It is something that can be a future treasure to the family.
It seems kind of inconsequential maybe to us personally but I can speak for myself for sure that it would be totally awesome to have CD's of my grandparents and my parents and aunts and so on.

It seems entirely doable for a someone to build up a software just for this kind of autobiography for families of the future. Why not give them your voice, your looks, your thoughts, and what you have done with your life and video of the world that is your life?

Maybe someone from the Deaf community can make some real money such a kind of standard software to work with together.

I rewrote my post a bit.

 

[Reba]

Would this work for someone that served as an Army nurse? I had a great aunt that served way back. I know she was probably in the Spanish/American War and at one point served under and really admired Patton. She got out on a medical but lived into her 90's. She died in the 1970's but I would have to look up the exact year.

It wouldn't hurt to try.

The more info you have to start with, the better. Try to get more names, dates, and places. She wouldn't have a modern service number (which is the same as an SSN) but she might have had an old service number. I don't know what Army nurses used but as a Navy WAVE mine was a letter then six digits with a letter W (for "woman") at the end. Her's might have been similar. If you can find a copy of her DD-214 that would be golden as far as having identifying data that you need.

Resources such as Find A Grave - Millions of Cemetery Records sometimes are a good starting point for death dates. From there, you can go to a SS Death Index site to get more data, and so forth.

 

[Jane B.]

It wouldn't hurt to try.

The more info you have to start with, the better. Try to get more names, dates, and places. She wouldn't have a modern service number (which is the same as an SSN) but she might have had an old service number. I don't know what Army nurses used but as a Navy WAVE mine was a letter then six digits with a letter W (for "woman") at the end. Her's might have been similar. If you can find a copy of her DD-214 that would be golden as far as having identifying data that you need.

Resources such as Find A Grave - Millions of Cemetery Records sometimes are a good starting point for death dates. From there, you can go to a SS Death Index site to get more data, and so forth.

I have things like death certificate but just posted without getting it out. I do not have service number. I knew her when she was alive but am a bit curious about more of the places she was stationed then I know of or have photos from.

 

[ambrosia]

I can do at least 3 but not only I do have a lot of upper body strength I'm a light weight. That makes it a lot easier, I only have to pull 107 pounds. Women everywhere may hate me, but I think if they don't require the women to do it, then the men shouldn't either. I'm all about equality, but it really should be equal. Seems like the reasoning for these tests for the men should apply to the women. I don't see it going well over on the guys if the women don't have to do the same things they did to get in. It could cause resent and for the men to give the women an even harder than, getting special dispensation. It's like giving them ammunition to use against them.

 

[VacationGuy234]

As I understand it, your position in the military is based on, "the need of the service". I don't see that changing at any point in time, especially during a time of war. I do not believe the military needs physical equality to function.

If the argument is we have a unit type which needs a certain physical ability and we can't create that unit with the available resources, we have a unit creation problem. However, I see no evidence of this.