Man in motorized cart shoots Walmart employee in dispute over dog, police say

Just because they don't require a permit doesn't mean he was carrying legally.
 
Reba said:
That's the dilemma.

I support the restriction of permits to mentally incompetent people. However, by what criteria will applicants be judged mentally incompetent? That's going to be tough to iron out.
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I support it to. There is already a legal process to to have some one involuntarily committed, or judged mentally incompetent.

Reba said:
Our state (SC) right now is working on such legislation. Recently, a total wacko woman attempted to shoot school staff in front of the school building. The only reason she didn't succeed was that she didn't know how to properly load her gun. She admitted that she aimed and pulled the trigger multiple times. She had been previously arrested for making threats against President Bush, and judged incompetent. But she was still able to get a gun. :mad:
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There are already laws in place to catch these people. The fact that they are not enforced doesn't justify more legislation (they would probably be unenforced too)
 
Reba said:
That's the dilemma.

I support the restriction of permits to mentally incompetent people. However, by what criteria will applicants be judged mentally incompetent? That's going to be tough to iron out.

Our state (SC) right now is working on such legislation. Recently, a total wacko woman attempted to shoot school staff in front of the school building. The only reason she didn't succeed was that she didn't know how to properly load her gun. She admitted that she aimed and pulled the trigger multiple times. She had been previously arrested for making threats against President Bush, and judged incompetent. But she was still able to get a gun. :mad:
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Yes, the handling of mental illnesses are very lax in US today, unlike in 1950's that where many people with mental illness were locked up in state hospital. My therapist told me that judges in my state will not force anyone to be in hospital until they find anything that beyond to doubt - they don't take story word but look at action.
 
Foxrac said:
Yes, the handling of mental illnesses are very lax in US today, unlike in 1950's that where many people with mental illness were locked up in state hospital. My therapist told me that judges in my state will not force anyone to be in hospital until they find anything that beyond to doubt - they don't take story word but look at action.
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Well personally I'm glad they require facts and not hearsay. It is someones freedom we're talking about.
 
The Walmart story has faded out here without a genuine recap of facts.
I doubt if the shooter will do much time if any. Whether the case will contribute to gun sanity in Alaska is doubtful as well. The fact that he gutshot an unarmed man over the fact that he had his untrained pup in the store unleashed will be overshadowed by his disabilities and mental decline.
It is one of those things. Give everyone the right to carry and some of them will be shooters. Take away the right to carry and some of them will be shooters.
The way the Anchorage police force was just last year he would have probably been surrounded by a SWAT team and dispatched swiftly with shotguns.
We have a Republican corrupt state here and putting money towards the mentally ill is generally at the bottom of the list of to do's and at the top of the list of budget cuts.
 
Babyblue said:
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Uummm, The manager has a hole in his stomach by the suspect captured. I am sure they have enough evidence to charge him.

I have a problem with Walmart for not going on lockdown. Walmart never cease to amaze me. They resumed business as normal!?? Then again, it's Walmart that we are talking about.
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I was thinking that too , and the cops let Walmart stay open , there could had been a second shooter in the store . Walmart was busted for hiring illegal immigration so we should really not be too shocked about what Walmart does. My ex husband worked at a new Walmart and all the employees had put up all the shelves and fixtures for the whole store and got paid chicken feed!
 
Babyblue said:
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Uummm, The manager has a hole in his stomach by the suspect captured. I am sure they have enough evidence to charge him.

I have a problem with Walmart for not going on lockdown. Walmart never cease to amaze me. They resumed business as normal!?? Then again, it's Walmart that we are talking about.
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All Walmart wants is money so that's why it didn't close down that day. BTW, Walmart will pay the wounded employee alot of money. OWCP will not let Walmart getting away with it.
 
CrazyPaul said:
...BTW, Walmart will pay the wounded employee alot of money. OWCP will not let Walmart getting away with it.
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How do you know that Walmart will pay the wounded employee a lot of money? If the employe pays into a workman's compensation insurance, the insurance will pay for his medical expenses, and a portion of his lost wages.

...unless you are saying that Walmart was negligent and liable for the employe's injuries, meaning there was something in Walmart's policies and procedures that put the employe in a dangerous situation. Is that what you mean?
 
Reba said:
How do you know that Walmart will pay the wounded employee a lot of money? If the employe pays into a workman's compensation insurance, the insurance will pay for his medical expenses, and a portion of his lost wages.
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I have never heard of an employee paying for worker's comp insurance. An employer is responsible for worker's comp for up to 45 or 90 days and then OWCP takes over until he is able to work.

(An employee pays for disability insurance which covers his/her disability to work whether it is work-related or not.)


Reba said:
...unless you are saying that Walmart was negligent and liable for the employe's injuries, meaning there was something in Walmart's policies and procedures that put the employe in a dangerous situation. Is that what you mean?
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It happened while he was working so it's work-related injury. That's what worker's comp is for.
 
CrazyPaul said:
I have never heard of an employee paying for worker's comp insurance. An employer is responsible for worker's comp for up to 45 or 90 days and then OWCP takes over until he is able to work.
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You're right. The employer pays for the insurance coverage of employees of companies that are large enough to be required.

It happened while he was working so it's work-related injury. That's what worker's comp is for.
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That's what the insurance pays for, yes. The store doesn't make payments to the employe, the workman's comp insurance does.

That doesn't mean the employe will get a lot of money.

When my son-in-law was receiving workman's comp for his work injury, he got about 1/3 of his usual weekly paycheck amount until he could go back to work (months later). Workman's comp did pay all his medical expenses and for adaptive equipment, such as a ramp for the door, extra supports for stair rail, hand control for his car, wheelchair, walkers, shower seat, etc. He has life-long coverage for prosthetic leg and accessories replacements.
 
Our corrupt governors have rewritten the workmans compensation laws up here. It is not a sure thing that he will be covered.
This is a place where members of the legislature had baseball caps made for their club - blatantly enough, the letters CBC on them, standing for Corrupt Bastards Club.
 
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Foxrac said:
No, I'm not wrong because Walmart policy allowed animal service because of comply with ADA law - that's FACT.



The determine of your problem is the manager or employee made mistake, not me, you should complain to highest level manager. The harassing on disabled customer with service dog is termination offense and the victim will receive a compensation, also option to sue the company, that's serious matter.

I know some people brought service animal to Walmart without any problems.

Do not assume me as wrong based on your experience and I'm just give a fact about Walmart policy on service animal.
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Finlay is dead and I do not believe a word of what you posted. I was given a hard time at Walmart.
 
goodonya said:
Our corrupt governors have rewritten the workmans compensation laws up here. It is not a sure thing that he will be covered.
This is a place where members of the legislature had baseball caps made for their club - blatantly enough, the letters CBC on them, standing for Corrupt Bastards Club.
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Hey, tone down with political discussion.
 
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whatdidyousay! said:
Finlay is dead and I do not believe a word of what you posted. I was given a hard time at Walmart.
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The experience varies and you will never receive a same result.

Humans do make mistake - never perfect, you know that.

Sorry about your situation with Walmart.
 
goodonya said:
Just stating fact. I live here where the incident happened.
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Well, there are some members will disagree and dispute with your claim that result in endless argument.
 
goodonya said:
Our corrupt governors have rewritten the workmans compensation laws up here. It is not a sure thing that he will be covered....
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Why wouldn't he be covered?
 
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In this case I did not state it as fact. The comp laws here have been changed that is fact. There are some wrinkles in there that do not benefit the worker. I will try and pull up the latest rules. The last time I was involved in a job injury there were surprises in there and they have tinkered on the rules even more since then.
 
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