Lies about CI's

[Daredevel7]

They still complain about hearing people and the way they treat them because they are not hearing enough.

Haha, I definitely don't paint a rosy picture of how I'm treated by a few hearing people. But how is this an oral only thing? Isn't this a deaf (as in EVERYONE) thing?

By the way, if someone repeatedly tells a deaf person to speak up or "why aren't you listening", etc etc, it's the deaf person's fault. I don't pretend that I am "hearing". I just tell hearing people point blank:

"Man, you're impossible to lipread!"
"Yo! You have to face me, remember?"
"I have no idea what the hell you just said." (this usually makes hearing people laugh)

Not:
"Hmm. yea yea"
"Uh uh."
"I gotta go."

But, generally, hearing people and I work well together communication wise.

 

[deafgal001]

Haha, I definitely don't paint a rosy picture of how I'm treated by a few hearing people. But how is this an oral only thing? Isn't this a deaf (as in EVERYONE) thing?

By the way, if someone repeatedly tells a deaf person to speak up or "why aren't you listening", etc etc, it's the deaf person's fault. I don't pretend that I am "hearing". I just tell hearing people point blank:

"Man, you're impossible to lipread!"
"Yo! You have to face me, remember?"
"I have no idea what the hell you just said." (this usually makes hearing people laugh)

Not:
"Hmm. yea yea"
"Uh uh."
"I gotta go."

But, generally, hearing people and I work well together communication wise.

never said it was oral-only thing. It is just something they have in common with other deaf people. And she says certain deaf people are loud... well I'm saying they have their issues that they speak out too.

 

[AlleyCat]

I was born deaf. My mom knew something was wrong and finally took me to be tested when I was about a year old. I was fitted with HAs by 18 months old. Started speech therapy ~3 years old and did well so my mom put me in a private hearing school to take advantage of the smaller classes. I had a knack for lipreading (I was never taught, just somehow knew) so I was able to understand teachers, friends, and my family as long they faced me. Of course, it's not 100%.

I did learn SOME sign when I was a young teenager. My mom heard about a sign language class at church and thought it would be fun for us to go. We had a blast, but I forgot most of it within a few months. I learned sign again last year but retained some of it since I now have deaf friends who know ASL. Does that give you a better idea?

Yes, thank you. And, same as you, I was never taught lipreading either. I just picked it up along the way. And, same, it was not 100% either. That's why I see having my family knowing sign as a back-up as wonderful, and why I say what I say.

 

[posts from hell]

While on cam with a certain person... (an oralist, CI user, no ASL! *gasp*) I was told that I was pretty easy to lip read.

 

[Daredevel7]

Yes, thank you. And, same as you, I was never taught lipreading either. I just picked it up along the way. And, same, it was not 100% either. That's why I see having my family knowing sign as a back-up as wonderful, and why I say what I say.

That's cool. I can see that. If I had a hard time understanding my family, then yes I would have liked for them to learn ASL. But I think I'm fortunate in the sense that my family is Cuban, so they were very easy to lipread. So I would have preferred to speak to them in English than in ASL (because I'm guessing they would have sucked at it)

If I was born Southern... damn... sign is definitely needed!!!!!

 

[jillio]

The point of implanting a cochlear implant is to provide more hearing. My post was saying that if the CI provides more hearing than the hearing aid, then that would be a "successful" implantation, a CI that provides benefit.

You read more into it because you chose to.

And that is exactly what the opposition to CI is around here. Not the fact that it is a devise to assist, but that it is portrayed from an audist perspective and marketed from the same perspective.

Success is subjective.

 

[jillio]

Just because you see it doesn't mean it exists.

When the majority see it, the probability is great that it does exist.:P

 

[jillio]

I can see it from both sides. On one hand, the average (and probably majority) of CI wearers gain more hearing in terms of DBs than the majority of those with HAs like myself. I'm not saying that to be down on HA users since I am one myself, but it is a fact that most of us who are deaf enough (in the severe-profound range) cannot get into the same DB range as CI wearers even with the most powerful HAs. I have heard of a few exceptions and I want those HAs !! But on the other hand, I see what many don't like, that "some hearing is better than no hearing". I have had countless friends tell me that their hearing is so poor even with HAs that all they get is distortion, staticky-type sounds, etc. and they end up putting their HAs in a drawer. In that case, some hearing is NOT better than no hearing, and it makes some feel like they are not trying hard enough or good enough when they would just as soon put their HAs away.

Very well said!

 

[jillio]

Sorry you don't see it.

I've heard of people giving kids a trip to disney land after getting CI's... what is that supposed to tell the kids?? THAT is what Jillio is getting at.

If you don't see it... Well.

Thank you! It is truly a shame that people do not see the messages that the kids are getting. And these kids are growing up with all kinds of issues that affect their lives in a negative way. The parents are saying "I did everything for my child. It must be the deafness that is causing their problems."

No, it is not the deafness that causes the problems. It is the way they feel about themselves and others based on the messages their parents and teachers gave them about their deafness that causes their problems.

 

[jillio]

I know... but the point is....

And it is people such as yourself that taught me exactly what the point is. Again,

 

[jillio]

FJ,

She reads more into it because she has an agenda. It was clear what you were talking about and the context in which your statement was made.
Rick

Yep. I have an agenda. Healthy deaf adults who are free of the issues that hold them back from success and happiness. The way to achieve that is through the children. My agenda is no more deaf children who are undereducated, have social issues, and have adjustment and identity disorders because their well meaning parents did not stop and think about the messages they were sending that child. Got a problem with that?

 

[jillio]

What makes you so sure about that? Do you really know what it is like to be deaf? And are you as an hearing person actually speaking for all of the deaf?

For your information, I do know of families that had a deaf child or deaf children that were able to get by without knowing any sign language and that was during the "pre-CI" days!

We should be striving for more that "getting by". We should be striving for excellence. Shame that your standards are so low.

 

[jillio]

There's a lot of pity, shame and condescension being heaped on the deaf in this thread. By other deaf. Exactly the issues so many here complain about experiencing within the hearing community. There's little difference between "oh, you had to grow up deaf, with only sign language, I'm so sorry, what a shame, sad" and "oh, you had to grow up deaf with spoken language, what a shame, I'm so sorry, sad."

It's so very disrespectful to jump on HHIssues for stating what should be glaringly obvious to all, but seems to be ignored in this small group of like-minded people: there are far, far more deaf and HOH who communicate without ASL than with, and many, many do so very successfully and happily. That's not to say this is the best approach for all, but you just can't say it isn't the best approach for some, when it's the deaf themselves supporting it.

You (you, me, any one of us) can't 'speak' for all deaf. I'd never claim that the way my daughter communicates, learns is best for all, and say or imply that other methodologies are crap. There are tools in that toolbox we all talk about that just don't fit, don't work for us that may drive in your screw just right. And I may not need that drill today, but tomorrow I may just find it useful. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. ASL is wielded like a hammer around here, but you just keep banging it on everything.

There is no pity, shame and condescension being heaped on the deaf by the deaf. They get enough of that from the hearies in this world. And the wanna bes. What you are seeing is empowerment. Does that somehow frighten you?

 

[jillio]

And some of the oral deaf people made a joke in another thread about how "messed up" they were by being oral, and people freaked out! They said that they had no right to joke about it when "so many kids continue to suffer every day..." I think oral deaf people around here put up with a lot of crap, and rarely ever react. They are told that they must have suffered, they have no social skills, they have cognitive issues, they were limited, and on and on. But you know what, many of them are fine with the way they grew up! Unfortunately, those who were unhappy are much much louder than those who weren't.

One tends to be "fine" when one has no basis of comparison. And, you do know what the acronym "fine" stands for, don't you?

 

[jillio]

I was born deaf. My mom knew something was wrong and finally took me to be tested when I was about a year old. I was fitted with HAs by 18 months old. Started speech therapy ~3 years old and did well so my mom put me in a private hearing school to take advantage of the smaller classes. I had a knack for lipreading (I was never taught, just somehow knew) so I was able to understand teachers, friends, and my family as long they faced me. Of course, it's not 100%.

I did learn SOME sign when I was a young teenager. My mom heard about a sign language class at church and thought it would be fun for us to go. We had a blast, but I forgot most of it within a few months. I learned sign again last year but retained some of it since I now have deaf friends who know ASL. Does that give you a better idea?

Most deaf children have already developed a degree of speechreading skills even prior to diagnosis. That is proof positive that they rely on the visual for the majority of their understanding.

 

[jillio]

That's cool. I can see that. If I had a hard time understanding my family, then yes I would have liked for them to learn ASL. But I think I'm fortunate in the sense that my family is Cuban, so they were very easy to lipread. So I would have preferred to speak to them in English than in ASL (because I'm guessing they would have sucked at it)

If I was born Southern... damn... sign is definitely needed!!!!!

My son was born in the south. He learned to speechread, from the beginning, a Southern dialect. He has trouble with people who don't have a Southern accent. But, his first speech therapist was East Indian, so he reads that accent very well. Say, "burple baper" and he knows you are saying "purple paper."

 

[rockdrummer]

Then you need to take more care with the way you word things. Because your post was clearly implying that more hearing with a CI was better than less hearing with an HA.

That is the way YOU mis-interpreted it. IMHO you read way to much into what people say and instead of politely asking for clarification you draw a half baked conclusion and then comment on it as though it were fact. :roll:

 

[jillio]

That is the way YOU mis-interpreted it. IMHO you read way to much into what people say and instead of politely asking for clarification you draw a half baked conclusion and then comment on it as though it were fact. :roll:

Seems many deaf individuals here interpreted it the same way. Perhaps it is your hearing perspective that is impeding your understanding.

 

[deafskeptic]

My son was born in the south. He learned to speechread, from the beginning, a Southern dialect. He has trouble with people who don't have a Southern accent. But, his first speech therapist was East Indian, so he reads that accent very well. Say, "burple baper" and he knows you are saying "purple paper."

Speaking of speech teachers with accents, when I was little I would say drawers much like people up north and other things with a decidedly unsouthern accent. When my mother met my speech teacher she learned that my speech teacher (who was also my first grade teacher) was from Maine.

I also read people with Belgium accents well because my best friend's mother was from Belgium.

 

[deafskeptic]

One tends to be "fine" when one has no basis of comparison. And, you do know what the acronym "fine" stands for, don't you?

I don't. Please enlighten me.