Legal Showdown - Arizona's Immigration Law

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Steinhauer said:
First and foremost, his behavior is "typical" of a liberal. They believe the law should only be applicable to "white people" and not "non-white" people.
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I have no idea where you're getting this from. When did anyone ever say anything to this effect?
 
Simple, the whole racist demagoguery attempts while ignoring the word "illegal."
 
kokonut said:
Simple, the whole racist demagoguery attempts while ignoring the word "illegal."
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The point isn't that people of color are exempt from the law, the point is that the way the law is written inconveniences people of color to a much larger degree than white people, no matter what their legal status. All the training in the world doesn't make anyone, including police officers, blind to race, so race is going to be considered, and in this case, Latinos are going to get the bulk of the blow because of the associations between being illegal and Hispanic in the minds of many. Quite to the contrary of what you're claiming here: the law will lead to harassing a lot of Hispanic-looking legals of color and will end up letting a lot of white-looking illegals off the hook.
 
I won't call it racial profiling however I do believe that profiling in general should be legal. If someone (anyone regardless of race) is suspected of something (anything that is illegal) then police should be able to stop and question. If the law suspected of being broken is illegal entry into this country or possible terrorist threats then the police should have the right and the power to investigate. Don't tie their hands behind their back and then ask them to go and do their jobs.
 
CJB said:
The point isn't that people of color are exempt from the law, the point is that the way the law is written inconveniences people of color to a much larger degree than white people, no matter what their legal status. All the training in the world doesn't make anyone, including police officers, blind to race, so race is going to be considered, and in this case, Latinos are going to get the bulk of the blow because of the associations between being illegal and Hispanic in the minds of many. Quite to the contrary of what you're claiming here: the law will lead to harassing a lot of Hispanic-looking legals of color and will end up letting a lot of white-looking illegals off the hook.
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That "law" has been around for 70 years.
 
rockdrummer said:
I won't call it racial profiling however I do believe that profiling in general should be legal. If someone (anyone regardless of race) is suspected of something (anything that is illegal) then police should be able to stop and question. If the law suspected of being broken is illegal entry into this country or possible terrorist threats then the police should have the right and the power to investigate. Don't tie their hands behind their back and then ask them to go and do their jobs.
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Good post. Exactly
 
I'm curious.

Suppose the Mexicans who cross our border illegally all looked like ethnic northern Europeans. That is, fair skin and hair, blue eyes, and tall. Then, would anyone have a problem with the current Arizona law? :hmm:
 
Reba said:
I'm curious.

Suppose the Mexicans who cross our border illegally all looked like ethnic northern Europeans. That is, fair skin and hair, blue eyes, and tall. Then, would anyone have a problem with the current Arizona law? :hmm:
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that's Daredevil and she's Cuban :)
 
Reba said:
I'm curious.

Suppose the Mexicans who cross our border illegally all looked like ethnic northern Europeans. That is, fair skin and hair, blue eyes, and tall. Then, would anyone have a problem with the current Arizona law? :hmm:
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There are plenty of Mexicans do have gray eyes. even my Mexican relatives do have gray eyes. My Mexican dad has a light skinned skin.
 
Reba said:
I'm curious.

Suppose the Mexicans who cross our border illegally all looked like ethnic northern Europeans. That is, fair skin and hair, blue eyes, and tall. Then, would anyone have a problem with the current Arizona law? :hmm:
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No, whites would never commit crimes and steal and murder and kidnap and organize gangs.

*sarcasm*
 
netrox said:
No, whites would never commit crimes and steal and murder and kidnap and organize gangs.

*sarcasm*
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is it 3 letters but has only 1 letter? :eek3:
 
netrox said:
No, whites would never commit crimes and steal and murder and kidnap and organize gangs.

*sarcasm*
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They did in Nazi Germany.

ooops, that was racist, I was targeting whites.

Oh yeah, and it was illegal too.

Should the Nazis be protected under the guise of not allowing laws to be enforced due to their "racist" intent against "white people"?
 
Take a basic sociology course and learn the definition of "racism."
 
Barbaro said:
There are plenty of Mexicans do have gray eyes. even my Mexican relatives do have gray eyes. My Mexican dad has a light skinned skin.
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What I meant was, if the majority of the illegal border crossers didn't fit the stereotyped profile that everyone is screaming "racism" about.

The big contention seems to be that the Arizona law will be prejudicial against short, dark people because of their "look". Well, if there was no distinctive "look", would anyone be upset about the Arizona law? If almost all the illegal aliens looked Nordic, would there be the protests? :dunno:
 
sallylou said:
Take a basic sociology course and learn the definition of "racism."
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Why does anyone have to take a course?? Just look it up to find the definition.

rac·ism   
–noun
1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Source: Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
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Reba said:
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any non-white people bearing Caucasian physical characteristics is considered an elitist or "elevated". Japanese royalty practiced this way. So does Argentina. Africa (the darker you are, the more inferior you are).
 
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