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[Reba]

What does that book teach then? Beautiful book, but hard to comprehend.

Mainly repentance but also patience, the rebuke of the slander of Satan, Job's inner discovery, and why the righteous suffer. It also offers up some good examples of how not to counsel people who have serious problems, as seen in the words of Job's wife and friends.

 

[Dixie]

It's not a sin to flee a dangerous situation, and that includes a domestic violence marital situation.

Not surprisingly the SBC tells women to flee the situation but make every effort to keep the marriage intact and an eventual reunification of the family with Christian-based marriage counseling. Unfortunately the bible preaches a lot on the submission of women to their husbands, almost like the man is justified in beating his wife to a pulp in front of their children just because she didn't cook his burger perfectly to his liking. I don't like this one bit.

I think the woman should leave along with her children and not return. If the man knows he will get his wife and family back every time, he will continue the abuse.

Every once in a while I will hear of a harrowing story of how a family appeared perfectly fine in church and all but it's found out about how the man beat his wife and/or children and biblically justified it and the church actually encourages the woman to return to the marriage. Unbelievable.

 

[TXgolfer]

Not surprisingly the SBC tells women to flee the situation but make every effort to keep the marriage intact and an eventual reunification of the family with Christian-based marriage counseling. Unfortunately the bible preaches a lot on the submission of women to their husbands, almost like the man is justified in beating his wife to a pulp in front of their children just because she didn't cook his burger perfectly to his liking. I don't like this one bit.

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And this is why we can't discuss religion on AD. That same passage instructs men to love their wife like Christ loved the church..... There is no justification for a man beating his wife. In fact a man is instructed to lay down his life for his wife.

 

[flip]

So, you're not saying monogamy is bad for women and children but domestic violence is bad for women and children.

Fragility does not necessary have with domestic violence to do. In a polygamy, you have severeal fathers or mothers, so if one of them leave or something happens, you have more grown ups around you to take care of you. A monogamy is more prone to something unexpected happening. In this way, monogamy can be bad if something happens. And, in a monogamy, domestic violence can be easier to hide, in that case, monogamy is bad. But no direct connections, and depends on the situation. I'm asking if a polygamy in some cases can have a better outcome than a monogamy, and I think so.

 

[flip]

God Himself established the type for marriage since the beginning. He set marriage as a life-long union of one man and one woman.

This is true for both the jewish and christian God, and monogamy were the norm at the time of Jesus, and most theologicans agree here. Interestingly, the bible have stories about the opposite, like Abraham having kids with his sister and an egyptian slave.

 

[flip]

Because I feel bad for gay poepple who are unable to marry because of religious people who are putting up barriers to their rights to marry. In this thread, I am showing my support for them. It is just sick that people judge others and want to control how they should live their lives because of their own freaking religion? Like someone said...nobody is forcing THEM to marry people of the same sex so they should keep their noses where they belong which is their own personal private lives.

I was so sick of religious people banging on my mom's door and telling her she was living in sin when her ex boyfriend lived with us. Granted, he wasnt a good man but that was my mom's business not theirs.

Do like a relative of mine did, kicked them out, and I mean KICKED. They never came back.

 

[flip]

The bad news is, we are all sinners, each and everyone of us. The good news is, we don't have to let sin get the victory.

I'm sorry that the preacher left you with only the bad news part.

I don't know how wise it's to say "you gay people go to hell, you all are sinners". You perhas know those facts, and not just belive what you say, but I question if it's offensive and insulting and a violation of the rules of AD. If you said "I belive", or "my faith says" it would probably be something different?

 

[flip]

And this is why we can't discuss religion on AD. That same passage instructs men to love their wife like Christ loved the church..... There is no justification for a man beating his wife. In fact a man is instructed to lay down his life for his wife.

This is why I think religion should be allowed to a degree on AD, because christian deaf people who live in violent relationships with manipulative partners, need to know this. It's easy to get confused about the concept of sin.

The problem is not religion, but religious arguments that affects our lives as deaf people, that needs to be examined, like secular arguments in the oral-bilingual debate. If someone can't behave, they should get banned instead of closing the whole thread, IMO. That said, I don't know the situation before religious discussions were banned on AD, so I may be wrong.

 

[Reba]

...Every once in a while I will hear of a harrowing story of how a family appeared perfectly fine in church and all but it's found out about how the man beat his wife and/or children and biblically justified it and the church actually encourages the woman to return to the marriage. Unbelievable.

There is no biblical justification for a man to beat his wife or children.

Not all churches would encourage a woman to return to a violent husband.

Some churches would discipline the man.

 

[Reba]

This is true for both the jewish and christian God, and monogamy were the norm at the time of Jesus, and most theologicans agree here. Interestingly, the bible have stories about the opposite, like Abraham having kids with his sister and an egyptian slave.

The Bible records the disobedience of even the patriarchs, such as Abraham. The Bible shows us how badly the instances of polygamy, harems, and adultery turned out. Never does God approve of them.

 

[Reba]

I don't know how wise it's to say "you gay people go to hell, you all are sinners".

Who said that? No one here that I know of. I certainly don't want anyone to go to Hell.

We are all sinners; sexual orientation has nothing to do with that. We're all headed for Hell if we don't repent and accept Jesus as our personal Savior. That includes me. I was doomed just as much as anyone else. I didn't deserve Heaven any more than anyone else.

 

[Foxrac]

And this is why we can't discuss religion on AD. That same passage instructs men to love their wife like Christ loved the church..... There is no justification for a man beating his wife. In fact a man is instructed to lay down his life for his wife.

There is no biblical justification for a man to beat his wife or children.

Not all churches would encourage a woman to return to a violent husband.

Some churches would discipline the man.

Yup, my father is non-Christian but he's abusive and disrespectful to our families, that why I left in 5 years ago.

It could happen to any father/husband, regardless on religions.

 

[KristinaB]

I think this is why the two hardest subjects to debate with any group of people and still remain totally civil among all participants is religion and politics. There are too many variables and too many opinions. Each person has their own beliefs and it is hard to make them see another side of the issue.

 

[Beowulf]

I think this is why the two hardest subjects to debate with any group of people and still remain totally civil among all participants is religion and politics. There are too many variables and too many opinions. Each person has their own beliefs and it is hard to make them see another side of the issue.

True. Let's stay on topic or I will vehemently preach the Book of the Dead.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

The Bible records the disobedience of even the patriarchs, such as Abraham. The Bible shows us how badly the instances of polygamy, harems, and adultery turned out. Never does God approve of them.

So Mormons are not Christians?

[sighs]

I want to throw in an Unitarian or Anabaptist point of view in here, but I cannot without offending the Baptists or Catholics. Crap.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Double-posted.

 

[flip]

I think this is why the two hardest subjects to debate with any group of people and still remain totally civil among all participants is religion and politics. There are too many variables and too many opinions. Each person has their own beliefs and it is hard to make them see another side of the issue.

So far we have stayed pretty civil. Wish both secular and religious posters could get less emotional when discussing topics that are influenced by religion, it works for the purely politics threads.

 

[flip]

Reba, just apologizing for not making replies to you. This kind of american evangelical christianity that you display here interests me, but it would for sure get this thread locked if we discussed this further.

 

[flip]

True. Let's stay on topic or I will vehemently preach the Book of the Dead.

Cool! The tibetan or egyptian book?

 

[jillio]

Unmarried couples do not have the same legal rights. This is true regardless if the couples are men or women.

Exactly. Lesbian women are a participating part of the category of "women" despite the implication that homosexuals are not deserving of full participation in society as the result of their sinful, amoral behavior.:roll: