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Teresh said:
You are one sick person. I can't believe you even enjoy reading this sort of hateful, wicked, anti-Muslim nonsense. For a person who preaches so much about a God of love and mercy, it's disappointing that you have no love for any other human beings.
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Well, Heath is NOT sick person. He is talkin' about their religion is a cult.
 
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you may want to consider whose side is encouraging more terrorism ?
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FYI Heath, Christianity can be JUST as violent as Islam. It's just that you're getting a biased view of Islam b/c the media only focuses on the tiny percentage who are utter crackpots. You know the Left Behind Books? If the Wrath of God stuff in those was written about ANY OTHER religion, everyone would be screaming that it was inheretiristy violent and evil.
Did you know that YOUR religion has produced terrorists? (and actually it IS your specific deonomintion as I remember you saying that you subscribe to Christian Idenity beliefs)
Christian extremist terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Does that mean that Christianity is in of itself violent and evil? Nope.....didn't think so.
 
deafdyke said:
FYI Heath, Christianity can be JUST as violent as Islam. It's just that you're getting a biased view of Islam b/c the media only focuses on the tiny percentage who are utter crackpots. You know the Left Behind Books? If the Wrath of God stuff in those was written about ANY OTHER religion, everyone would be screaming that it was inheretiristy violent and evil.
Did you know that YOUR religion has produced terrorists? (and actually it IS your specific deonomintion as I remember you saying that you subscribe to Christian Idenity beliefs)
Christian extremist terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Does that mean that Christianity is in of itself violent and evil? Nope.....didn't think so.
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There are many factions of Christian Identity all over the world and I believe in some , and not all of the White Nationalism beliefs of Christian Identity. That does not mean I am a terrorist or anything like that. Some do participate in it some don't but I can tell you that muslim terrorism is far more violent and more brutal than what Christian Identity does. That is for sure. I do not shoot up abortion clinics or anything like that. I sign petitions and write my congressmen and senate to stop abortion and another issues of the day through the power of the pen and through petitions.
 
Heath said:
I never said that in my orginal post neither have I anywhere on this thread.
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I was commenting on the Flash video.

Heath said:
Really ? History proves anotherwise.
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Um, no, history does not prove otherwise. Apparently you don't know history very well. Whereas Ashkenazi Jews were not permitted to own land, were forced to fulfill detestable societal roles and were required to live in cordoned-off ghettoes in Christian Europe, Sephardi Jews in the Middle East were comparatively unoppressed. They were not considered equals by any means, but they were not treated like pack animals either as the Jews of Europe were.

Heath said:
There is no metal music at all in the video clip. You are attempting to twist and distort and re-direct the attention to the video clip somewhere else to suit your own agenda.
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Yes there is, Heath... Trust me when I say that nearest I can tell, metal would be the most appropriate genre classification of the music that is in the video. I would never lie about something like that because it bothers me when people do it to me.

Heath said:
No and it does say so in both the Old and New Testament. Obivously you have not paid attention to the Old Testament that closely enough.
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The character Mary is not mentioned in the Tanakh.

Heath said:
Now many jews will be angry at you because in Islam the Qu'ran clearly manadates Muslims to hate jews and christians.
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This is something that is not true. Have you forgotten that you believed (or do you still believe?) that the Talmud mandates that Jews hate everyone else? You have a penchant for selective reading when it's convenient to you. If you really want to study the Qur'an and understand its meaning, you should consult an Imam on the subject rather than reading it by yourself. Muslims have a different understanding of the text than you do due to different background and cultural differences that you might not personally pick up on.

Similarly, if one wants to learn about Christianity, he or she should learn about it from Christians. If one wants to learn about Judaism, he or she should learn about it from Jews. If one wants to learn about Buddhism, he or she should consult a Buddhist.

Simply opening a copy of the book by oneself is not enough to have a full understanding of the religion the book is from.

Heath said:
This is being played out all over the world. There may be a few muslims that do not hate jews but for the most part the majority of the muslims do hate jews with good reason and a long history of conflict.
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The history of conflict between the Jews and the Muslims is only about 100 years old. Sure, the two tribes lived together prior to that and while it wasn't harmony, it wasn't really animosity either. That changed when Zionists started settling in Palestine in the late 1800s.

Heath said:
Christians have had their part in this but remember that the muslims and another religious groups have had their part in it too so don't play high mighty and innocent on me either. You can't pull the wool over my eyes.
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Actually, it was mostly just the Christians and the Muslims for the last 2000 years. The Romans were annoying for the first few centuries CE, but after Rome fell, it was just Christians and Muslims. I'm not saying Christians were the only responsible group--far from it. Rather, I expect you to acknowledge the fact that crimes were committed by Christians. Not because it is your responsibility for their actions nor because you need to apologise for them, but rather because you seem to believe that Muslims are all evil while Christians do not do anything bad, a belief which does not have any basis in fact.

Heath said:
Teresh, You are very, very hell bent on making me not believe in Christianity and .....
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I really don't care what you believe in. I believe in salvation by works. If you're a good person, you get whatever the afterlife is.

CyberRed said:
Well, Heath is NOT sick person. He is talkin' about their religion is a cult.
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The second largest religion in the world is a cult? Care to explain your rationale for that?
 
Teresh said:
I was commenting on the Flash video.

I still don't see it anywhere in the flash video.

Um, no, history does not prove otherwise. Apparently you don't know history very well. Whereas Ashkenazi Jews were not permitted to own land, were forced to fulfill detestable societal roles and were required to live in cordoned-off ghettoes in Christian Europe, Sephardi Jews in the Middle East were comparatively unoppressed. They were not considered equals by any means, but they were not treated like pack animals either as the Jews of Europe were.

The jews have been peresecuted for as long as God and satan remembers but so has the muslims been peresecuted as there is peresecution in every group. God also blessed the Ishamelites too and that is something you tend to forget too. Issac and Ishamel were both blessed remember that in the Torah ? Not just Issac. Ishamel was also blessed by God too. That is also part of the both sides of the story to the current Middle East conflict.

Yes there is, Heath... Trust me when I say that nearest I can tell, metal would be the most appropriate genre classification of the music that is in the video. I would never lie about something like that because it bothers me when people do it to me.

There is no metal music in that video clip whatsoever and if you have somebody listening to the video clip then I can tell you that Heavy Metal is popular amongst Arab youths in the Middle East and I had no way of knowing the sound of the video clip as I go by what I see.

The character Mary is not mentioned in the Tanakh.

Who said anything about Mary ????? I know I did not say anything about Mary. You are attempting to re-direct the attention of the issue off of what is really going on and in the process you are twisting your own words as well as mine and hoping anothers will not notice the error that you have just made.

This is something that is not true. Have you forgotten that you believed (or do you still believe?) that the Talmud mandates that Jews hate everyone else? You have a penchant for selective reading when it's convenient to you. If you really want to study the Qur'an and understand its meaning, you should consult an Imam on the subject rather than reading it by yourself. Muslims have a different understanding of the text than you do due to different background and cultural differences that you might not personally pick up on.

I do talk to various religious figures online at places such as AskMoses.com - Judaism, Ask a Rabbi - Live etc. You should know that by now as I have told you before. I also do sit down to talk to another people of a different culture when I am in the big city and you will still want to call me dumb and un-educated in fact, I am not and I am very educated , very smart so do not try to pull the wool on me or anybody here.

Similarly, if one wants to learn about Christianity, he or she should learn about it from Christians. If one wants to learn about Judaism, he or she should learn about it from Jews. If one wants to learn about Buddhism, he or she should consult a Buddhist.

See above and you still obivously think I don't do that. Well, Here is news I do.

Simply opening a copy of the book by oneself is not enough to have a full understanding of the religion the book is from.

That is why I have a thirst of learning, reading , studying and researching the religious books and texts. I plan to study both Hebrew, Aramic , Greek and Arabic to I can gain a deeper understanding and in talking to another religious figures then I will gain a better appreciation and understanding and I actually pay attention which is something you obivously are not doing very well enough.

The history of conflict between the Jews and the Muslims is only about 100 years old. Sure, the two tribes lived together prior to that and while it wasn't harmony, it wasn't really animosity either. That changed when Zionists started settling in Palestine in the late 1800s.

Nope, you are wrong, you are ignoring the another 1,900 part of history. Remember the Amorites, The Philistiles the Hitties and the various Biblical wars that were waged through the Torah is a direct conflict of what is currently happening in the Middle East. Again, you are attempting to re-direct and ignore the another part of the history of the conflict in the region in that part of the world.

Actually, it was mostly just the Christians and the Muslims for the last 2000 years. The Romans were annoying for the first few centuries CE, but after Rome fell, it was just Christians and Muslims. I'm not saying Christians were the only responsible group--far from it. Rather, I expect you to acknowledge the fact that crimes were committed by Christians. Not because it is your responsibility for their actions nor because you need to apologise for them, but rather because you seem to believe that Muslims are all evil while Christians do not do anything bad, a belief which does not have any basis in fact.

That is what you want anothers to believe about me and anothers as well. Here is news, I have met many fine jews and many fine muslims who were very excellent and had nothing to do with the religious conflicts as have I met many fine Christians who were very excellent too. There is good and bad in every religious group. Something you try very hard to get people to think I do not know that and make yourself look better intellectually and to try and get away with it verbally. That is not gonna happen.

I really don't care what you believe in. I believe in salvation by works. If you're a good person, you get whatever the afterlife is.

What is good works without faith and belief ? Those two go together and they can not be seperated.


The second largest religion in the world is a cult? Care to explain your rationale for that?
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Care to explain your jewish extremism ? CyberRed is not part of that Christian faction so that is not fair of you to throw that on her because she clearly does not belong to that denomination at all so do not throw your intellecutal and downright hostile attidute of anger towards CyberRed at all, also do you realize something else ? You are not being fair to yourself or CyberRed either and I think you owe her an apology.
 
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Apparently this thread is heading in the wrong direction....

Please respect the opinions' of others without having to resort to belittling the thoughts/opinions of others. Also, how we handle such posts, no need to 'bash'...back 'n forth. With how this world is, there is so much diversity--trying to understand or grasp what each way is possibly like via a member's own perspective views...and those need to be either respected or simply refrain from posting.

If thread continues to escalate with more bickering, bashing or even thrashing such thoughts...then thread will get closed.



~RR
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Of course, I agree.

I'm respect Heath's opinion but I don't like to see someone who start attack with Heath.
 
Think about it for a mintune how would you react if this was you right smack in the middle of this situation. I found this on Youtube.com

This is a very intense film.

YouTube - HOLY WARNING

You know what I would do in that situation. I would of have threw that satchel bag away once, I realized the immediate situation and the urgency of it then as soon as he is walking away, throw the bag away in the field where nobody will get hurt or less chance of getting hurt and then follow the bad arab upstairs to the platform and if a police officer is standing there then I would quietly inform the police of the situation and if there is indeed an explosion then I would have to continue following and running after him wheter a police officer is present or not and get him under my control, fight with him and have people call 911 also if there are several arabs waiting in a car they are liable to plug bullets in me so those are some of the intense decision making process in a split second especially after 9/11/01 and I did not like what they did on 9/11/01. I will do my American Duty also my Christian Patriotic Duty to stop muslim terrorism whenever the situation arises. I would not take any chances handing the bag to the arab as was seen in the intense film. Better safe than sorry. I am also much more confident than that guy in the video clip by the way.
 
Heath said:
God also blessed the Ishamelites too and that is something you tend to forget too.
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Never questioned that--As I recall, I am defending Islam's legitimacy as a faith from you.

Heath said:
There is no metal music in that video clip whatsoever and if you have somebody listening to the video clip then I can tell you that Heavy Metal is popular amongst Arab youths in the Middle East and I had no way of knowing the sound of the video clip as I go by what I see.
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I do have some hearing--I'm telling you what the music is. Is this really even important?

Heath said:
I do talk to various religious figures online at places such as AskMoses.com - Judaism, Ask a Rabbi - Live etc. You should know that by now as I have told you before. I also do sit down to talk to another people of a different culture when I am in the big city and you will still want to call me dumb and un-educated in fact, I am not and I am very educated , very smart so do not try to pull the wool on me or anybody here.
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:) I'm glad to see that you're learning.

Heath said:
I plan to study both Hebrew, Aramic , Greek and Arabic
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I would suggest learning Hebrew before Aramaic. They're different languages, but if you learn some basic Hebrew understanding Aramaic is a bit easier.

Heath said:
Nope, you are wrong, you are ignoring the another 1,900 part of history. Remember the Amorites, The Philistiles the Hitties and the various Biblical wars that were waged through the Torah is a direct conflict of what is currently happening in the Middle East.
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That was 3000 years ago. Seriously, no one is really complaining about that anymore because it's ancient history. Do the Jews still dislike the Italians for taking over their country 2000 years ago? No.

Heath said:
There is good and bad in every religious group. Something you try very hard to get people to think I do not know that and make yourself look better intellectually and to try and get away with it verbally.
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With some digging I could probably pull up some old posts of yours where you've ventured the claim that all (or most) Muslims are terrorists and that the Jews have a massive conspiracy to control the world. If you don't believe these things anymore, then you've changed for the better and you'll receive a more civil tone from me.

So the question is--Do you still believe these things?

Heath said:
What is good works without faith and belief ? Those two go together and they can not be seperated.
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I don't think that that's true. I believe entirely in salvation by works. Let's propose a scenario.

Let's say there's a man named Pan. Pan is a poor farmer in a third world country. He's never heard of God, he's not familiar with religion, but he spends his spare time trying to help other people and make the lives of his friends a little less difficult. Is he going to heaven when he dies?

Alternatively, let's look at another scenario. This man is named Ibram. He is a Muslim and while he has been exposed to Christianity in some form, it is not his religion. Still, he's an honest man who tries to make the lives of other people better. Is he going to heaven?
 
Okay Teresh, which video clips did you like the best ? I am curious and why ?
 
but I can tell you that muslim terrorism is far more violent and more brutal than what Christian Identity does.
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But it is STILL terrorism! And I mean there was an incident where some christians (non CI as far as I know) killed some Hindus.
Christianity and Islam is virtually identical................... I mean god, what about the CI militas? Those are pretty much the same as those Islam camps.
 
Hmm... God could be Satan.

What if Satan appeared and said, "I am God." And... we believe him? :Ohno:
 
CyberRed said:
Are you sayin' that Jesus is Satan ?
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If you're going to make a claim like Mohammed is Satan, sure, Jesus could be Satan.
 
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