IRS targeted Tea Party and others--scandal grows

Reba, what do you think is proper punishment for this?
 
VacationGuy234 said:
OK.

Then why did you ask the above ^^^ question?
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That was my follow-up question (post #5) to your statement about each party (#3) doing the same thing. I was requesting supporting facts to that statement. Since the Bush administration was the most recent one that was a different party, I wanted examples of how that party did the same thing. If it truly happens with each party, each administration, then it should be easy to find examples.

EDIT: If we can't talk about general things, and this case is just started, it's going to be a short, one sided conversation.
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Well, the topic itself is very specific. That doesn't mean it's one sided. One specific topic can have many viewpoints.

If you want to make a new thread about general topics, feel free.

If you want to prove that all administrations in the past 100 years did the same thing, that would fit within the scope of this topic.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Reba, what do you think is proper punishment for this?
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Each person involved should be fired. Stern directives from the top should be passed down to all IRS employees emphasizing the rules and consequences for breaking the rules.

What do you think is proper punishment?
 
Reba said:
Each person involved should be fired. Stern directives from the top should be passed down to all IRS employees emphasizing the rules and consequences for breaking the rules.

What do you think is proper punishment?
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Not to go off topic, but if an agent of the federal government thinks there may be someone or some group committing a crime should they not have the power to investigate(as long as they do not bring undue burden on the innocent)? If they found nothing and they did nothing, what is the problem? It sounds like something a reasonable republican would understand, right(speaking as a former republican here)?

As long as they did not cause undue burden and use false information to persecute, I would tell the employees not to do that again.

There are far worst things going on in government than investigating possible crimes.

If they had found anything wrong, unfortunately, the courts would have thrown out the case anyway.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Not to go off topic, but if an agent of the federal government thinks there may be someone or some group committing a crime should they not have the power to investigate(as long as they do not bring undue burden on the innocent)? If they found nothing and they did nothing, what is the problem? It sounds like something a reasonable republican would understand, right(speaking as a former republican here)?

As long as they did not cause undue burden and use false information to persecute, I would tell the employees not to do that again.
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that's not what happened in here. they were TOLD to look for anything containing "Tea Party" and "Patriot".

VacationGuy234 said:
There are far worst things going on in government than investigating possible crimes.
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ok but this thread is about IRS' illegal targeting. that's one of the worst things going on in government and since you don't seem to be interested in it, there's a door. you can simply leave instead of just arguing for the sake of argument which would make you a troll in here.

VacationGuy234 said:
If they had found anything wrong, unfortunately, the courts would have thrown out the case anyway.
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dude.... did you even read what they did? do you not read anything more about this?

let me help you - they looked for ANYTHING that contains "Tea Party" and "Patriot" keywords for extra scrutiny which was unnecessary and illegal.

Holder orders probe of IRS targeting conservative groups - CNN.com
A draft report from the inspector general for the IRS obtained by CNN says agents were on the lookout to give special scrutiny to groups with "tea party" and "patriots" in their names as well as groups that had made statements criticizing "how the country is being run."

The report says in January 2012, the criteria was revised as "political action-type organizations involved in limiting/expanding government, educating on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, social economic reform/movement."

The report also says IRS officials knew about the targeting of conservative groups in June 2011 -- and that the practice began as early as March 2010.
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that is illegal. very illegal.
 
The word "Tea Party" and "Patriot" isn't limited to conservatives so anyone can use those term - I could form the LGBT Patriot - support for gay troops.

If I submit to IRS so it will become scrutinized so :roll: at IRS.
 
Foxrac said:
The word "Tea Party" and "Patriot" isn't limited to conservatives so anyone can use those term - I could form the LGBT Patriot - support for gay troops.

If I submit to IRS so it will become scrutinized so :roll: at IRS.
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i hope you know what you're talking about
 
Lukin said:
i hope you know what you're talking about
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it matches up to January 2012 report's finding

The report says in January 2012, the criteria was revised as "political action-type organizations involved in limiting/expanding government, educating on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, social economic reform/movement."
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Foxrac would be under scrutiny and harassed by IRS.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Not to go off topic, but if an agent of the federal government thinks there may be someone or some group committing a crime should they not have the power to investigate(as long as they do not bring undue burden on the innocent)? If they found nothing and they did nothing, what is the problem? It sounds like something a reasonable republican would understand, right(speaking as a former republican here)?

As long as they did not cause undue burden and use false information to persecute, I would tell the employees not to do that again.

There are far worst things going on in government than investigating possible crimes.

If they had found anything wrong, unfortunately, the courts would have thrown out the case anyway.
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Jiro's post #45 pretty much covers everything.

BTW, I wouldn't know what a "reasonable republican" would understand since I've never been a Republican (although I do consider myself reasonable).

I agree with Jiro that it appears you don't understand what the IRS has been accused of doing.

And yes, an IRS audit does create an undue burden on people and organizations that have to go through them. It can be a very stressful, time-consuming, and expensive process. Also, once flagged, always flagged. It's a nightmare.
 
Jiro said:
ok but this thread is about IRS' illegal targeting. that's one of the worst things going on in government and since you don't seem to be interested in it
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Worst things? Ok, "dude", let me break it down for you. We torture people and never let them out of prison.

We stop American Citizens who haven't broken any laws with road blocks and send them to prison and government imposed prohibition classes on sobriety tests that can be rigged.

We deny people the right to bear arms to make the unaffected feel better.

Trust me, there are a lot more serious things than this scandal.

I'm sure you with all your, "worldly experience" you don't need to look at actual facts(something you think you can infer), but for some it's really important.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Worst things? Ok, "dude", let me break it down for you. We torture people and never let them out of prison.

We stop American Citizens who haven't broken any laws with road blocks and send them to prison and government imposed prohibition classes on sobriety tests that can be rigged.

We deny people the right to bear arms to make the unaffected feel better.

Trust me, there are a lot more serious things than this scandal.

I'm sure you with all your, "worldly experience" you don't need to look at actual facts(something you think you can infer), but for some it's really important.
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we've already created dozens of threads about it and I've already discussed about it at great length. but this thread is about IRS' illegal activity and if you do not feel it's not worth talking about, feel free to leave.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Worst things? Ok, "dude", let me break it down for you. We torture people and never let them out of prison.

We stop American Citizens who haven't broken any laws with road blocks and send them to prison and government imposed prohibition classes on sobriety tests that can be rigged.

We deny people the right to bear arms to make the unaffected feel better.

Trust me, there are a lot more serious things than this scandal....
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Just because there are other things wrong in government doesn't mean what's happening in the IRS is any less important or that it should be ignored.

If you want to start threads about those other issues, feel free.
 
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Reba said:
Just because there are other things wrong in government doesn't mean what's happening in the IRS is any less important or that it should be ignored.

If you want to start threads about those other issues, feel free.
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As you wish, Reba. I'll leave.
 
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This is not the first time IRS ever abused the power and got busted. During 80's IRS has abused power way too much and they got busted.

And FBI might be involved, we shall see.

Our government should be afraid of US citizen, instead of being unafraid of which is too dangerous for us. Our constitution intention to protect the balance of power so that no one can go above the law. Even President himself have no right to get above the law.
 
When government abuse the power, it screws up the integrity in our society.

Did you know that NYS just passed law requiring anyone who donate government monies to reveal who they are. Guess what happened afterwards?

NYS government donation used to be around 17 millions dollars, now it is absolute zero! Whats up with that? Were these donors having conflict of interest in our state government so that they get favor in return. But because of new law, and drop the donation, what does that tell us? :hmm:
 
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