I was discriminated at the hair salon today (Friday)...

Harassing or discriminate, who care?

Anyway, this is really stupid and you should report to the police for discrimination from the service.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Therefore yes, you are right. It´s a legal for them to refuse you without use your disablitiy reason. (yes it´s suck, I agree).
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you know - this sparks an idea. I'm thinking of creating a thread for us to post our experience with being discriminated at any store/restaurant/place... even though they did not say anything discriminating but you can feel it.

You have a superior memory so was there any thread like I'm thinking of? :hmm:
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
due to the fact that I don't go to church.

MODS: this is NOT a religious discussion and it is NOT about religions, it's simply about discrimination and professionalism, and I wasn't sure where to put this in as this topic is DISCRIMINATION. Since it had nothing to do with disabilities I can't put this in the "Americans with Disabilities Act" forum. This is discrimination based on SOMETHING that they THINK I SHOULD be DOING but I am NOT doing - something that is really NONE of their business. Please don't move it to the religious forum - we are talking about DISCRIMINATION here. Bottom line - discrimination of civil rights. Thank you very much.

Anyhow, today I decided I wanted to go get my hair cut as my hair was getting shaggy and the nearest hair salon was just around the block. Costs more than the local beauty college, but I was willing to pay for it, no problem, I just wanted my hair cut as I had something going on tomorrow and wanted to look good for it and the beauty college was already closed. I had my old clippers but they were broken hence the reason for my going to this shop (I originally thought clippers would cost $30 and the haircut at the shop would be only about $14 as I didn't want to spend that much money on clippers at this time, I wanted to save my money and buy the clipper another time). It was going to be my first time having my hair cut at this specific shop. I went to the hair salon which was still open and when I got there I went in and told one of the women that works there via paper and pen (my own paper and pen) that I would like to have my hair cut. First they asked me how I would like it cut, so I thought this was going to be okay and that there wasn't going to be any issues. I told them how I would like my hair cut. Then all of a sudden one of the women asked me if I knew "the lord jesus". I thought, "WTF? Are they supposed to be asking me this, isn't this a place of business?" and I just said "um yeah but thank you" just to try to kindly tell them that I wasn't interested in this topic but thank you, just was trying to be polite as it wasn't something I wanted to talk about. She then asked me if I went to church. Of course I said no as I don't go and have not gone for the last ten years or so and I honestly don't see what the huge deal was about this anyway. Like I said, WTF? I told them that I really don't think that one needs to go to church in order to have beliefs. They continued to insist that I go to church. I then simply said "OK" hoping they would drop the subject so I could get my hair cut already because that was the only reason I came into the shop for - to get my hair cut. That's when the other woman bluntly said that when I started going to church they would cut my hair, they were refusing to cut my hair til I started going to church. I simply said, "That's discrimination". I am not sure exactly what the first woman wrote next as her handwriting began to get a bit illegible, but I think she was asking me if I was going to pay her, and I said of course. Then the second woman asked me what do I think it is, that I don't have any money or something like that which made me go WTF, I think she was getting bitchy with me or something. I don't know what her problem was. But I said nicely that I said I do have money, even though I don't work but I do have the money for the haircut, that I would have no problem paying for the haircut (I had cash on me). (Like I said earlier, WTF?). That's when they suggested that I try another hair salon that they claimed was "up the street" (which I knew was not there - in fact it was in ANOTHER zip code - I know exactly where it is because it is where my fiance gets his hair cut at). I guess at this point they no longer wanted my business, which was fine with me. I then asked them where they meant it was at, and they changed their claim to say it was a DIFFERENT street name, AND one that wasn't even "up the street", either. And even so I knew there was no such hair salon on that street either because I am on that street frequently and know it well and have seen no such hair salon and I double-checked with my fiance on my SK3 and I was right. They then changed their claim AGAIN to say that it was by the post office on ANOTHER street, and I know there is no such hair salon by the post office because that is MY post office that I frequent. They then asked me where I lived, to which I did not respond to as my address is none of their business and I knew where they were getting at. I was still talking to my fiance on the SK3 and that's when they noticed my SK3 and that's when they had the "oh shit" faces and went "get the notes, get the notes" but I had already took the notes away and put them in my pocket and that was when one of the women tried to paw me but I simply stepped back and said "hands-off please" (with the universal "stop" gesture using both hands - I don't like to be touched and pawed) and then they got another piece of paper and wrote to ask where the notes were at and that's when I said "Why? Are you afraid I'm going to report you?" and that's they told me to get out, to that of course I replied, "okay" and left, only pausing outside to note the address, name, and phone number of the shop, and then went along on my way to go to a store to buy my own clippers so I could do my hair myself. Unfortunately I was unable to get the names of the women that was there. Clearly they realized they did discriminate me, that's why they got all frantic about the notes, they knew that I had proof. :roll: BTW, I found clippers for sale for $13 so I guess I got lucky, and it will pay for itself in the long run anyway and I won't have to deal with the hoity-toity people. I cut my hair tonight and I look awesome.

They've lost my business. They shouldn't be discriminating against customers based on whether they go to church or not, that's real dumb.

I still have the notes and will be contacting the BBB as well as the Texas Cosmetic Commission on Monday.

Geez, I came in to get my hair cut and was refused service simply because they won't do business with people who doesn't go to church. :roll: How mature.

What a bunch of self-righteous hoity-toity women. Whether I go to church or not is none of their business...their job is to cut my hair and that's it. It's a HAIR SALON not a church. It's not even Sunday, either. Geez. I guess I should have simply said that it was not a subject I wished to discuss but I have a feeling they would press on the subject until they got an answer they wanted to hear. Some people are like that. :roll:

Oh well, I now feel I can no longer trust them with my hair especially if they feel this way about MY own beliefs, they might do a half-assed job if they did end up cutting my hair anyway, I'd probably have ended up with bald spots (I have most of my head shaved with a #4 clipper and the front is just long bangs). I don't think they were acting professional anyway. I'm taking my business elsewhere. True professional hairdressers do not do this kind of thing, they do not ask about such personal aspects of your lives in order to decide whether you're someone they would want to cut hair for, because they are normally in this for MONEY - PROFITS - not to get nosy about someone's life. If you were causing trouble, I would understand but I wasn't causing trouble, I simply wanted my hair cut and that's where they started their own trouble. When they told me to get out, I left without protesting. I simply said "okay" and left the shop. My fiance is also not happy with the way they have treated me via discrimination.

Oh well. Just wanted to share with y'all about something I totally did not expect at a hair salon.
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no laugh matters!!

mostly people who taking haircuts and have against gods and lots of mores as protests or whatevers that not rights if truth as against by god should approve it!

i know how you feel,LuciaDisturbed

mostly people always friendly at my step-brother's hair shop for getting haircuts,perms,hair colors and lots of mores but i dont think he would against my step-brother's policy like examples protest,god and lots of mores.My step-brother also hairsylists.
 
Jiro said:
you know - this sparks an idea. I'm thinking of creating a thread for us to post our experience with being discriminated at any store/restaurant/place... even though they did not say anything discriminating but you can feel it.

You have a superior memory so was there any thread like I'm thinking of? :hmm:
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:hmm: not bad idea... Go ahead and create a new thread under debate sub-forum.
 
C.C.Sinned said:
any witnesses or is were you alone?

if you were alone, it is your word against theirs. they could deny you were even there.

forget about the BS and move on with your life
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Lucia was able to keep all the hand written notes, I am sure handwritting specialist could confirm idenity of who wrote it, if it came down to that.
 
I don't mean to make light of this but not having speech skills will probably help Lucia as she has evidence to use against them if she decides to take them to court.
 
I don't mean to make light of this whole situation, ok?

It's just hair.

I wouldn't allow some uneducated people dictate to me how I should do my hair, follow some deities and best of all, determine how my day is.

It's just hair, you know. Don't give them the power of negative energy.
 
Mrs Bucket said:
I don't mean to make light of this whole situation, ok?

It's just hair.

I wouldn't allow some uneducated people dictate to me how I should do my hair, follow some deities and best of all, determine how my day is.

It's just hair, you know. Don't give them the power of negative energy.
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Very well said.
 
Jiro said:
Liebling - please re-read Lucia's post below. I've highlighted words for you -



and please do not correct us. We know our laws. Maybe in your country, it's called harassment but it is a discrimination in America :)
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Thank you, Jiro.
 
jiro said:
actually no. Lucia was discriminated based on her religious status. If the store refused to provide service based on sex, gender, religion, etc.... That is a discrimination.

Religious harassment is when you go around and bother, alienates, insult, embarrass, agonize, etc. On someone based on his/her religion. Same for sexual harassment - a man alienating a woman at work, commenting on her body, and looking at her in uncomfortable way.... That is a sexual harassment. A man refusing to hire this person simply because it's a woman (or a black person or a muslim person) - that is a discrimination.

Based on lucia's story, they refused to provide service for her based on lucia's religious status and her lack of church activity. That is a discrimination. The law is very specifically clear on this. Your interpretation is incorrect. This is not a harassment.
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Thank you!!!
 
Oceanblue7 said:
Lucia herself felt discrimination in the beginning of the topic. None of us were there on scene. It might have been a combination of both. As Lucia , in her own words "discrimination".
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Yes, it is both but to me it is pretty much blatant discrimination for the most part...they did insist that I go to church but in the end it is pretty much discrimination because they refused to cut my hair in the end just because I don't go to church.
 
Jiro said:
sorry nope. Discrimination Law does not solely apply to employment. It applies to real estate, patron services, etc. In this country - NO ONE is allowed to discriminate people based on gender, sex, race, and religion.

It is a discrimination if:
-I'm the store owner and you came into my store. I tell you to go away because I don't like German people cuz of Nazi thing
-I'm the restaurant waiter and I refused to provide service for you because I hate white people
-I'm the manager of Wal-Mart and I hire only Asian people
-I'm the building owner and I refuse to rent a room to you because you are of different religion. I told you to go convert into Islam and then come back.

It is a harassment if:
-I approach to you at your work and I say - woooo baby I like those melons! can I have some?
-I come closer to you to look down your blouse or pretend to drop the pencil and pick it up so i can look under your skirt
-I make any sexually-suggestive gesture in front of you without saying anything to you
-I bother you everyday to make you join my Church
-I am a school bully and I pick on your child at school everyday, make fun of him, insult him, embarrass him, trash-talk him just because he's a Christian or homosexual.
-I am a cop who abused my power to bother you just because I don't like you for whatever the reason

Simply put - Discrimination is when you refuse to provide service for a person or to hire a person based on gender, race, sex, or religion. Harassment is when you alienate the person based on gender, race, sex, or religion.

They refused to provide service for Lucia because of her religious status and that is a discrimination. End of Discussion.
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You are correct, Jiro, and thanks for expanding on the law according discrimination, I knew that what the women at the salon did was not legal but I kept being told by someone that it wasn't discrimination.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Sounds like BOTH harassment and discrimination to me. But, does anyone know the legal rights of customers here? I think a private business can refuse to serve anyone for whatever reason they want, right? Isn't that what those signs that say, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" are all about? I know that the ADA protects customers with disabilities, and there are numerous laws about illegally discriminating against employees, but are there the same legal protections for customers based on religion, race, sexual orientation, and gender? I could be completely wrong here, but if it is the case, then Lucia really would have no legal recourse, which sucks because this was a terrible experience. I'm sorry you had to go through it, Lucia. :(
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That's normally for when someone comes into the shop and actually CAUSES TROUBLE. Like coming in very drunk with booze on your breath or begging for money or swearing or just being annoying. I wasn't doing any of those things. I simply came into the shop to ask for my hair to be cut, and that's where THEY began their OWN trouble, not me.
 
Jiro said:
Yes absolutely - they do reserve the rights to refuse the service to patrons (as long as they did not state the specific). that's where the train will ends and tough luck for you. HOWEVER - they refused the service BASED ON RELIGION. Lucia has the proof on her hands that they refused to provide the service BECAUSE of her religious status. That is a federal violation.

-If Lucia came and the store said - "sorry no. go home." Then that's too bad for Lucia.
-If Lucia came and the store asked - "you love Jesus? You go to church? oh my heaven - you're a Jesus lover but you don't go to church? GET OUT!"

a very crystal-clear distinction - a discrimination based on religion.
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Jiro is correct again. If they simply said "we're closed, sorry" then there would be absolutely no issue. But when they told me that when I began going to church they would cut my hair, that's where they committed a federal violation. I'm not going to let this go until I speak to the BBB and the TCC and see what they have to say on this.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Interesting. Thanks for clearing that up. So what took place today with Lucia was illegal because they made it clear they were refusing her service based on religious grounds? And she's got it all written down on paper! Great proof! I say sue for all they're worth! :D
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Yeah, gotta see what the BBB and the TCC has to say on this and then I may call legal aid or something.
 
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