House panel finds Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt

TXgolfer said:
Because whether or not you agree with me is not a big deal to me. :lol:
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how unfortunate. I guess I can simply surmise that double standard and hypocrisy are strong in here.
 
kokonut said:
Holder said the same thing early on in the F&F investigation. On May 3, 2011 at the House Judiciary Committee:


Attorney General Eric Holder grilled by Congress on ATF "Gunwalker" controversy - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

But I agree that it is more likely that the Mexican govt never knew about this until the news broke out.
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I suspect Mexican officials may know about it for a while. The problem is that Mexican General Attorney Morales started her job last year just after it broke out. I believe Napolitano knew about it, too in 2009. I mean, Holder even mentioned "Project Gunrunner" in his speech while he was in Cuernavaca, Mexico.
 
Here's his speech in Cuernavaca, Mexico.

Welcome to the United States Department of Justice

Attorney General Eric Holder at the Mexico/United States Arms Trafficking Conference
CUERNAVACA, MEXICO ~ Thursday, April 2, 2009

Remarks as prepared for delivery.

First, let me express my thanks to Attorney General Medina Mora and Secretary of Government Gomez Mont for making this conference possible.

This is my first trip to another country as Attorney General. I wanted to come to Mexico to deliver a single message: We stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you in this fight against the narcotics cartels. The United States shares responsibility for this problem and we will take responsibility by joining our Mexican counterparts in every step of this fight.

And, together, we will win – thanks in large part to the courage of my Mexican colleagues here today, who are on the front lines every day, and with whom I am proud to collaborate.

The topic that has been addressed over the past two days could not be more important – the development of an arms trafficking prosecution and enforcement strategy on both sides of the border.

I would like to thank the Mexican and U.S. experts who have worked so hard on this issue. On our side, Secretary Napolitano and I are committed to putting the resources in place to increase our attack on arms trafficking into Mexico.

Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail.

But as today’s conference has emphasized, the problem of arms trafficking will not be stopped at the border alone. Rather, as our experts emphasized, this is a problem that must be met as part of a comprehensive attack against the cartels – an attack in depth, on both sides of the border, that focuses on the leadership and assets of the cartel. This is the type of full-bore, prosecution-driven approach that the U.S. Department of Justice took to dismantle La Cosa Nostra – once the most powerful organized crime group operating in the United States.
With partners like those we have here today, I am confident that together, we will defeat these narcotics cartels in exactly the same way. I am proud to stand with you, and to join you in this fight. Thank you again for inviting me here.
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Obama signed The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 ( aka the Stimulus or the Recovery Act) that funded Operation Gunrunner.

For an additional amount for ‘State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance’, $40,000,000, for competitive grants to provide assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the Southern border and in High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas to combat criminal narcotics activity stemming from the Southern border, of which $10,000,000 shall be transferred to ‘Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses’ for the ATF Project Gunrunner.
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It is under Office of Justice Programs state and local law enforcement assistance.

Text of H.R.1 as Enrolled Bill: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress



American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Recovery Act) was signed into law by President Obama on February 17th, 2009. It is an unprecedented effort to jumpstart our economy, create or save millions of jobs, and put a down payment on addressing long-neglected challenges so our country can thrive in the 21st century. The Act is an extraordinary response to a crisis unlike any since the Great Depression, and includes measures to modernize our nation's infrastructure, enhance energy independence, expand educational opportunities, preserve and improve affordable health care, provide tax relief, and protect those in greatest need.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 provides $2.7 billion to the Office of Justice Programs; $1 billion to the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program; $225 million to the Office on Violence Against Women; and $10 million to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive
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USDOJ: The Recovery Act Homepage
You can scroll down to the bottom of the The Recovery Act Homepage window where it says :
"The Southwest Border Initiative, ATF’s Project Gunrunner $10 million will go toward the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Project Gunrunner for the Southwest Border Initiative." You can click that.
$10 million will go toward the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Project Gunrunner for the Southwest Border Initiative. The Administration’s Southwest Border Initiative will reduce cross border drug and weapons trafficking, and the associated high level of violence occurring on the border between the U.S. and Mexico. The primary role of ATF’s Project Gunrunner in support of this initiative is to stem the illegal trafficking of firearms across the border and to reduce the firearms violence occurring on both sides of the border.
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USDOJ: The Recovery Act: Justice Recovery Act Programs

There has been another new lawsuit against US government, including AG Holder.
Family of ICE Agent Jaime Zapata Slain in Mexico Files Claim

The guns are still out there, and we have no idea where they are now. Who will be next victim of the Gunrunner project?
 
Barbaro said:
Obama signed The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 ( aka the Stimulus or the Recovery Act) that funded Operation Gunrunner.



It is under Office of Justice Programs state and local law enforcement assistance.

Text of H.R.1 as Enrolled Bill: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress





USDOJ: The Recovery Act Homepage
You can scroll down to the bottom of the The Recovery Act Homepage window where it says :
"The Southwest Border Initiative, ATF’s Project Gunrunner $10 million will go toward the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Project Gunrunner for the Southwest Border Initiative." You can click that.


USDOJ: The Recovery Act: Justice Recovery Act Programs

There has been another new lawsuit against US government, including AG Holder.
Family of ICE Agent Jaime Zapata Slain in Mexico Files Claim

The guns are still out there, and we have no idea where they are now. Who will be next victim of the Gunrunner project?
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Just disgusting...
 
a very very lengthy article.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features
A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

How Fast and Furious reached the headlines is a strange and unsettling saga, one that reveals a lot about politics and media today. It's a story that starts with a grudge, specifically Dodson's anger at Voth. After the terrible murder of agent Terry, Dodson made complaints that were then amplified, first by right-wing bloggers, then by CBS. Rep. Issa and other politicians then seized those elements to score points against the Obama administration, which, for its part, has capitulated in an apparent effort to avoid a rhetorical battle over gun control in the run-up to the presidential election. (A Justice Department spokesperson denies this and asserts that the department is not drawing conclusions until the inspector general's report is submitted.)

"Republican senators are whipping up the country into a psychotic frenzy with these reports that are patently false," says Linda Wallace, a special agent with the Internal Revenue Service's criminal investigation unit who was assigned to the Fast and Furious team (and recently retired from the IRS). A self-described gun-rights supporter, Wallace has not been criticized by Issa's committee.
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Irony abounds when it comes to the Fast and Furious scandal. But the ultimate irony is this: Republicans who support the National Rifle Association and its attempts to weaken gun laws are lambasting ATF agents for not seizing enough weapons—ones that, in this case, prosecutors deemed to be legal.
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Nice try, Jiro, to take the spotlight off Holder and put it on the Rep.
This thread is not about the pass, only right now. And right now Holder is not cooperating with CONGRESS. He will be held in comtempt not by the Rep. but by CONGRESS. Still, nice try even by your evasive-style of avoiding the issue and/our trying to create confusion.
 
rolling7 said:
Nice try, Jiro, to take the spotlight off Holder and put it on the Rep.
This thread is not about the pass, only right now. And right now Holder is not cooperating with CONGRESS. He will be held in comtempt not by the Rep. but by CONGRESS. Still, nice try even by your evasive-style of avoiding the issue and/our trying to create confusion.
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you are doing precisely what Republicans are doing. why aren't you interested in truth? did you even read the article? It's showing that Arizona is largely responsible for this mess.
 
Jiro said:
you are doing precisely what Republicans are doing. why aren't you interested in truth? did you even read the article? It's showing that Arizona is largely responsible for this mess.
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Lets keep this thread about Holder, ok? Yes, I'm interested in the truth and Holder is doing everything in his power to circumvent the truth, even to the point of calling in his buddy, Obama, to help him do so. How the hell can you have a finding by CONGRESS unless all the requested information is provided. Holder is doing all he can to prevent Jiro, me and alldeaf from knowing the truth.

Of course, if you want to create independent threads on Arizona and/or the Rep. you can certainly do so. But this is about CONGRESS holding Holder in contempt.
 
rolling7 said:
Lets keep this thread about Holder, ok? Yes, I'm interested in the truth and Holder is doing everything in his power to circumvent the truth, even to the point of calling in his buddy, Obama, to help him do so. How the hell can you have a finding by CONGRESS unless all the requested information is provided. Holder is doing all he can to prevent Jiro, me and alldeaf from knowing the truth.

Of course, if you want to create independent threads on Arizona and/or the Rep. you can certainly do so. But this is about CONGRESS holding Holder in contempt.
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My post is related to this thread that includes all angles but it appears that you only want any article finger-pointing specifically at Obama and Holder.

I see.
 
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