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kokonut said:
Quite false since I know a few instances in my line of work. Wolves are smart and adapt to encroaching human environment. Here in this video (turn on CC in main YouTube website) an attack occurred where 7 wolves tried to attack them by surrounding three women and their dogs on a stretch of road, circling them. They weren't afraid of humans, and that's the key point. They will and do attack humans when the opportunity arises.
YouTube - Wolves become increasingly violent towards humans, pets
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Right...

So your words is more valuable than bush pilots', Canadian farmers' and other park rangers' words?
 
souggy said:
Right...

So your words is more valuable than bush pilots', Canadian farmers' and other park rangers' words?
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Kokonut is right, except that wolf attacks on humans are EXTREMELY RARE. In the video I am sure they were after the dogs.
 
Beowulf said:
Kokonut is right, except that wolf attacks on humans are EXTREMELY RARE. In the video I am sure they were after the dogs.
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Key point is that wolves are not afraid of humans. The woman knew she would've been attacked had she been alone. Good thing she wasn't.
 
kokonut said:
Key point is that wolves are not afraid of humans. The woman knew she would've been attacked had she been alone. Good thing she wasn't.
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Nice crystal ball you got there, dude. :roll:
 
souggy said:
Right...
So your words is more valuable than bush pilots', Canadian farmers' and other park rangers' words?
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Calm down. You said, "I know rangers say that wolves won't touch a human, but coyotes will." Your "rangers" are providing dangerous misinformation since no one knows the state of a wolf or wolf pack whether one has rabies or that they are starving and will prey on humans (adult or children) in order to survive. I've been in natural resources and wildlife long enough to know better than to spread that kind of misinformation around. What you said is completely false. There have been documented cases of wolves attacking humans seen as prey. Although they may be rare or even uncommon, those attacks have occurred. Just as this video I provided showed just how true that case is.

If you want unbiased data go to page 25 here about wolves attacking humans seen as prey:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070927.../Publikasjoner/oppdragsmelding/NINA-OM731.pdf
 
Beowulf said:
Kokonut is right, except that wolf attacks on humans are EXTREMELY RARE. In the video I am sure they were after the dogs.
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The problem is that people in those fields actually blame coyotes, not the wolves though. They compare such witness accounts to how people mistaken black bears for grizzly bears-- actual grizzly bear attacks are rare, yet grizzlys get all the blames because people mix them up with black bears.
 
souggy said:
The problem is that people in those fields actually blame coyotes, not the wolves though. They compare such witness accounts to how people mistaken black bears for grizzly bears-- actual grizzly bear attacks are rare, yet grizzlys get all the blames because people mix them up with black bears.
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Yeah, I know. However, I would be extremely alert if I come across any kind of bear in the wild. That hasn't happened yet, knock on wood, lol.
 
souggy said:
The problem is that people in those fields actually blame coyotes, not the wolves though. They compare such witness accounts to how people mistaken black bears for grizzly bears-- actual grizzly bear attacks are rare, yet grizzlys get all the blames because people mix them up with black bears.
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Rare? Maybe change it to uncommon attacks by grizzlies.

Abstract: Between 1960 and 1998, bears caused 42 serious or fatal human injuries in the Province of Alberta---29 (69%) by grizzly (brown) bears (Ursus arctos) and 13 (31%) by American black bears (U. americanus). Considering Alberta’s estimated bear population figures---about 1,000 grizzly bears and 38,000-39,000 black bears---these raw numbers suggest the extent to which grizzly bears are the more dangerous of the 2 species. Serious and fatal bear-inflicted injuries increased in number in Alberta, including its national parks, each decade, from seven during the 1960s to 13 during the 1990s, an increase proportional to the province’s human population growth during the same period. Of all bear-inflicted serious injuries and fatalities, roughly half (52%, 22 of 42) occurred in Alberta’s national parks, and 95% of these (21 of 22) were caused by grizzly bears. All but 1 black bear attack (92%, 12 of 13) occurred outside the national parks. Two factors have characterized grizzly bear-inflicted injuries in the national parks: 1) large numbers of visitors in grizzly bear habitat, and 2) difficulties with management of people’s food and garbage (particularly before the mid-1980s). The grizzly bear population found outside Alberta’s national parks is estimated at about 4 times that found within park boundaries, but these bears on provincial lands inflicted only 28% (8 of 29) of the serious or fatal injuries. These data point to 2 primary needs: 1) the disproportionate occurrence of grizzly bear incidents within the national parks and the association of these injuries with high visitor numbers and food and garbage management difficulties highlight the continuing need to address these challenges in Alberta’s national parks; and 2) the location of nearly all black bear attacks outside the national parks underlines the need for improved communication to people using black bear habitat regarding the rare but potential danger from attempted predation on people by black bears.
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http://www.truflare.us/downloads/AB_injuries.pdf
 
The Price Paid by the Bears

10 people killed and 78 injured by black bears between 1978 to 1996. 4 people killed and 34 people injured by grizzly bears during the same time pierod.

I remember coming across a PDF that included statistics from records spanning since 1901... and apparently polar bears ranked higher than black bears. :shock:
 
souggy said:
The Price Paid by the Bears

10 people killed and 78 injured by black bears between 1978 to 1996. 4 people killed and 34 people injured by grizzly bears during the same time pierod.

I remember coming across a PDF that included statistics from records spanning since 1901... and apparently polar bears ranked higher than black bears. :shock:
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Yet the ratio on population of black bears to grizzly bears is approximately 37:1 makes grizzly bear a far more dangerous encounter and a greater likelihood of getting attacked than black bears when you consider the number of attacks over the years.
 
I never said black bears are more dangerous, so the ratio is not needed. Just people misidentify black bears and label them wrong which lead to blaming the wrong species. Remember my original post?

souggy said:
The problem is that people in those fields actually blame coyotes, not the wolves though. They compare such witness accounts to how people mistaken black bears for grizzly bears-- actual grizzly bear attacks are rare, yet grizzlys get all the blames because people mix them up with black bears.
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I didn't say you said that. It was an additional notation of mine.
 
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