I disagree. As you say so yourself, Lotte is deaf anyway. All she has to do is to turn off hear CI and she will be fully deaf - there is nothing stopping her form using ASL or NSL (norwegian), whatever, and participate in the deaf culture only.
If you opened your eyes, you would see that there is a great deal preventing it. But as Lotte is not your child, your assessments are inconsequential.
A child who is not implanted early, have less and less choice of just putting on its CI and participate in the hearing world as equally easily.
How so? I know several implantees who wer not implanted early, as you so insist, that participate fully.....many of them attending hearing universities and successfully competing with and interacting with hearing students.
Nobody debates who is better parent, the debate is about what is more logical and why - to implant early or not.
That is not a question that can be answered froma logical standpoint alone,a s it is fraught with ethical and moral considerations and personal philiosphies.
Only to make you realise that CI is intended to assist with the hearing loss that can not be assisted with HAs.
And no one has ever debated that issue. The issue of concern is the denial of sign and deaf community to deaf children even though they may have a CI.
I never implied that because I DON'T THINK THAT,
and wouldn't ever in regards as a requisite for any deaf person to be happy and well adjusted,
I said you need to be implanted early to be able to receive optimal benefits from CI aid, and thus achieve hearing and optimal speech, and all that to participate in both worlds
optimally. that's a big difference.
Optimal is a subject measurement. How is it that my son is not functioning optimally?
For best hearing and speech development opportunity.
Exactly. Your focus is on speech and hearing only, not the entirety of developmental concerns. When you limit your focus to simply that of speech and hearing, you neglect all of the other developmental areas.
No but have chose it, he could have been hearing deaf.
If early implanted he could have hear as best as possible for him with CI and because of early implantation,
plus he could have all that that he has now.
He can still be hearing deaf anytime he chooses. And, as he ahs already developed language and speech, it was not necessary, obviously, that he have a CI in order to accomplish that.
We all know majority of children who passed aforementioned "window of opportunity" score way poorer on the ability to hear and speak with CI.
so don't try to tell me otherwise.
I never said your son won't able to hear with CI
at all.
No, you are automatically assuming that it would be successful. As, I stated, that is an inaccurate assumption. In all of your statements that "he could have" that assumption is evident. There is just as great a chance that he would not have developed oral language skills any greater than he already has.
Really? so the facts about late implantees lie?
The researchers tested the spoken language skills of 76 children, all three and a half years old, who had cochlear implants, and compared those results to the length of time each child had his or her implant. They found that with increased implant time, children's vocabulary was richer, their sentences longer and more complex and their use of irregular words more frequent.
Nicholas notes that many of the children who received cochlear implants at the youngest ages have nearly the same spoken language skills as children with normal hearing. The researchers' further studies - not yet published - suggest that by age four and a half, children who had cochlear implants very early often have normal speech and can potentially enter kindergarten with their hearing peers.
With the results we've seen so far, we believe that it is best to implant when the child is younger than 24 months if parents want a deaf child to use spoken language at the same level as their hearing peers."
Biased resources, fuzzy. Read all of the research available in order to form an objective view.
Deafness Research UK : News : Early cochlear implant use leads to better speech
Deaf babies and toddlers can develop normal language skills when cochlear implants occur between six months and two years, according to new research released by the University of Melbourne.
“Results have shown that implantation in an infant under 12 months has a significant impact on their language skills, “said Dr Shani Dettman of the University of Melbourne, who coordinated the study.
“The most important time for developing communication skills is below 12 months of age. This is a critical period for language growth,” Dr Dettman said.
“Prior to the introduction of early screening tests and cochlear implantation, profoundly deaf children experienced significant delays in language development,” she said.
“What we have found is that the children who received implants before 12 months of age had better language than the children who received implants between one and two years of age,” she said
May I remind you we are not talking about happiness and adjustability as a deaf person, simply about facts regarding CI.
Andthat is your problem. YOU were talking about deaf people as if speech and hearing are the only concern. The rest of us were talking about deaf people as whole individuals.
Just read it again adn figure it out.
Not my fault if can't think abstract.
That would be "think in the abstract", or "think abstractly. And your constant focus onthe concrete issues of speech and hearing without being able to integrate the other facets that make up the person is evidence of concrete thinking tothe extreme.
Anyway, then maybe you can tell me what your son can do that hearing person can't. And likewise, what a hearing person can do that your son can not.
My son can sign and float between 2 cultures. Many, many hearing people can't do that. And, a hearing person cannot do, if you are referring to accomplish, anything that my son can't.
And what IS my heartache, pray tell?
Gee, fuzzy, I don't know. Would you like to explore that?
I wasn't slapped on hands and persecuted for my unclear speech, for using gestures if I wanted to. Nobody in my family nor friends turned their heads away from me while speaking, and my parents always assisted me with my hearing problems. The close friends I made in childhood are with me to this very day.
Kids weren't slapped ont he hands for their unclear speech....they were slapped on the hands for signing. Duh.
I didn't have the same circumstances as Cheri when I grew up as a hearing impaired child. That's why I am secure as just a person, no matter deaf or hearing,
and since I was lucky to experience both the hearing and deaf world (although the deaf much less) I realise the worth and can apprecciate both.
Then why did you comment in an earlier post about your brother refusing to allow you to participate in deaf culture with him, and your parents not understanding when you had trouble withthe hearing world?
How about hearing with CI?
How about it?
And what it that you are doing ?
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but, whetever..
All that idicates is that I have more to say than you do. I work 2 jobs and attend school working on my advanced degree. What productive things do you do with your time?
