Fed sue to block Arizona illegal immigrant law

[Jiro]

I couldn't find much on these sanctuaries. Any links pls?

sanctuary city - Google Search

 

[Jiro]

So .... wouldn't the Federal Government be guilty of "harboring" by failing to do their jobs?

I don't follow. explain.

State resources are State resources, not Federal resources.

right. and do you think the state can afford it? That's why Brewer was demanding more fund, more resource from feds.

That is why you pay State Tax and Federal Tax.

right. My federal tax is going to waste for Brewer's stupidity.

 

[Reba]

But why are they called sanctuaries instead of shelters in Arizona? Sanctuaries imply protection from arrest. Either that, or Quasimodo suddenly bursts upon the scene, whisking them into a church and yelling "Sanctuary! Sanctuary!"

I don't know why they do things; you'll have to ask them.

Sanctuary means protection from arrest, and shelter means protection from the environment.

I love Hunchback, the novel and various versions of the movie.

 

[Jiro]

But why are they called sanctuaries instead of shelters in Arizona? Sanctuaries imply protection from arrest. Either that, or Quasimodo suddenly bursts upon the scene, whisking them into a church and yelling "Sanctuary! Sanctuary!"

"Sanctuary City" is merely a political-charged word. There's no legal definition for it.

 

[Beowulf]

That's what I thought.

Thanks, Jiro.

 

[Jiro]

Yeah right. Tell that to all the people who have been convicted for harboring criminals despite playing the "I didn't know" defense

It's politics pure and simple.

But... that's a ridiculous comparison. I see where you're going but you do not have to resort to this.

1. The state LEO is not supposed to do the federal duty.... which is why they are not obliged to do so.
2. The police officer is not constitutionally required to go beyond the call of duty for you.
3. The difference between people who harbored the criminals with "I didn't know" defense and state/town LEO is that people KNOWINGLY did harbor the criminals but did not ask just for legal reason - "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" but for state/town LEO... everybody has legal immigration status to their eyes because it's the Feds' job to deal with immigration and it's the state/town LEO's job to enforce the state/town laws with assumption that everybody is here legally.

 

[Jiro]

If their status is legal then why would they even need sanctuary?

example - Special Order 40

an internal policy - "The mandate was passed in an effort to encourage residents who are in the country illegally to report crimes without intimidation. The order states: Officers shall not initiate police action with the objective of discovering the alien status of a person. Officers shall not arrest nor book persons for violation of title 8, section 1325 of the United States Immigration code (Illegal Entry)."

 

[Reba]

I couldn't find much on these sanctuaries. Any links pls?

If you want to know where the concept of sanctuary ("refuge") cities came from, read Numbers 35.

 

[Beowulf]

If you want to know where the concept of sanctuary ("refuge") cities came from, read Numbers 35.

Post number 35? Sorry, but that to me is mob mentality.

 

[Reba]

example - Special Order 40

an internal policy - "The mandate was passed in an effort to encourage residents who are in the country illegally to report crimes without intimidation. The order states: Officers shall not initiate police action with the objective of discovering the alien status of a person. Officers shall not arrest nor book persons for violation of title 8, section 1325 of the United States Immigration code (Illegal Entry)."

Interesting but that doesn't answer my question.

Again, if people are in the country legally, why would they need sanctuary?

The concept of sanctuary is to protect people who have broken a law from arrest.

 

[Reba]

Post number 35? Sorry, but that to me is mob mentality.

Not post 35; Numbers 35 (in the B***e).

 

[Jiro]

Interesting but that doesn't answer my question.

Again, if people are in the country legally, why would they need sanctuary?

see above about Special Order 40

The concept of sanctuary is to protect people who have broken a law from arrest.

right - "Sanctuary City" is merely a politically-charged word created by those who want to paint a negative image on politicians as harborer of criminals.

 

[Reba]

see above about Special Order 40

I did. It has nothing to do with sanctuary.

right - "Sanctuary City" is merely a politically-charged word created by those who want to paint a negative image on politicians as harborer of criminals.

SANCTUARY. A place of refuge, where the process of the law cannot be executed.
2. Sanctuaries may be divided into religious and civil. The former were very common in Europe; religious houses affording protection from arrest to all persons, whether accused of crime, or pursued for debt. This kind was never known in the United States.
3. Civil sanctuary, or that protection which is afforded to a man by his own house, was always respected in this country. The house protects the owner from the service of all civil process in the first instance but not if he is once lawfully arrested and takes refuge in his own house. Vide Door; House.
4. No place affords protection from arrest in criminal cases; a man may, therefore, be arrested in his own house in such cases, and the doors may be broken for the purpose of making the arrest. Vide Arrest in criminal cases.

sanctuary legal definition of sanctuary. sanctuary synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

 

[Jiro]

I did. It has nothing to do with sanctuary.

sanctuary legal definition of sanctuary. sanctuary synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

Like I said before - there is no legal definition for "Sanctuary City"... none whatsoever. Yes I see you gave me the definition and that definition doesn't fit in this case but does it matter? Those two coined words makes a nice political punchline to win some voting points

 

[TXgolfer]

Politically charged??? negative image????

The City of San Francisco uses it.....

PressRoom_NewsReleases_2008_78378 Office of the Mayor

Mayor Newsom Launches Sanctuary City Outreach Campaign

Reaffirms commitment to provide safe access to public services

4/2/08 – Today, joined by community groups, faith leaders, and City department heads, Mayor Gavin Newsom and Supervisor Tom Ammiano launched a public awareness campaign to promote San Francisco’s “sanctuary” policy for undocumented residents, and assure all residents that accessing city services does not make an individual vulnerable to federal immigration authorities.

“The City's public awareness campaign is a reminder that City employees will not report individuals or their immigration status to federal immigration agents,” said Mayor Newsom. “San Francisco residents should feel safe when they visit a public health clinic, enroll their children in school, report a crime to the Police Department or seek out other City services.”

The awareness campaign will consist of advertisements of the city sanctuary city policy, complete with multi-language brochures and radio and TV public service announcements.

In 1989, San Francisco passed the “City of Refuge” Ordinance (Sanctuary Ordinance) which prohibits City employees from helping Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) with immigration investigations or arrests unless such help is required by federal or state law or a warrant. The Ordinance is rooted in the Sanctuary Movement of the 1980’s, when churches across the country provided refuge to Central Americans fleeing civil wars in their countries.

In February 2007, Mayor Newsom reaffirmed San Francisco’s commitment to immigrant communities by issuing an Executive Order that called on City departments to develop protocol and training on the Sanctuary Ordinance.

The Sanctuary Ordinance helps to maintain the stability of San Francisco communities. It keeps communities safe by making sure all residents feel comfortable calling the Police and Fire Departments during emergencies. It keeps families and workforce healthy by providing safe access to schools, clinics and other City services.

“As a Sanctuary City, San Francisco has and will continue to provide compassionate services to all immigrants, regardless of status,” said Supervisor Ammiano. “When certain people are targeted and denied access to vital social services, the health and safety of the entire city is compromised.”

Campaign funding totals $83,000 and is supported by the Department of Public Health and Human Services Agency. Materials will be available in the following languages: English, Spanish, Chinese, Vietnamese, Russian.

BTW.....The part in red violates law. Although cities are not required to enforce Federal law.....cities cannot prohibit employees from cooperating with Federal agents. Talk about interfering.....

As for Special Order 40, that was internal.......A far cry from an ad campaign to make people aware that you will not cooperate with Federal law.

 

[Steinhauer]

Obama lost the oil drill ban. He will lose in Arizona too.

Here is why .... he is attempting to use the highest court in the land to intimidate a State into not following Federal Law.

Guess what, if any officer, anywhere, suspects someone is violating a Federal Law, they have the right to investigate and arrest.

 

[Beowulf]

Obama lost the oil drill ban. He will lose in Arizona too.

Here is why .... he is attempting to use the highest court in the land to intimidate a State into not following Federal Law.

Guess what, if any officer, anywhere, suspects someone is violating a Federal Law, they have the right to investigate and arrest.

Not without probable cause.

 

[Jiro]

Obama lost the oil drill ban. He will lose in Arizona too.

Here is why .... he is attempting to use the highest court in the land to intimidate a State into not following Federal Law.

Guess what, if any officer, anywhere, suspects someone is violating a Federal Law, they have the right to investigate and arrest.

correction - INTERFERING with federal duty.

 

[Foxrac]

Obama lost the oil drill ban. He will lose in Arizona too.

Here is why .... he is attempting to use the highest court in the land to intimidate a State into not following Federal Law.

Guess what, if any officer, anywhere, suspects someone is violating a Federal Law, they have the right to investigate and arrest.

Oil drilling ban and Arizona don't mix, man.

 

[Steinhauer]

correction - INTERFERING with federal duty.

It is not interference when they are enforcing Federal Law.

Interference is prohibiting Federal Agents from doing their jobs. That is not happening in Arizona. In fact, I would assume the majority of the residents in Arizona would welcome (with open arms) the Federal Government doing their job.