Famous Police Shooting and The Real Truth

[Cheri]

I don't agree that we cater to criminals. We cater to innocent until proven guilty. That is how the system works

That's correct!

 

[rockdrummer]

While I do not know all the facts, I stand by my previous statement, as I am inclined to believe in the police who are there to protect us.
Even if it was a cell phone, the man would have been better off not resisting and giving the police cause to question his intentions. He would have still be entitled to his one phone call upon booking.

I agree with you . Nobody should resist arrest. But if you do, that doesn't give the cops the right to kill you. Here are some realities for you to consider.
1. Not all cops are good cops and many of them are racist and corrupt.
2. Not all people of color are treated properly by the police so you can't blame them when they don't trust the cops which is why some will resist arrest.
3. Put yourself in the shoes of someone of color that knows in the area they live the cops are racist. What would you do? I'ts like that famous video of the State trooper in the unmarked car that beat the crap out of that older black woman because she wouldn't stop.. Her side of the story was that she was not sure he was even a cop and there were incidents of criminals posing as cops and robbing elderly people. Innocent until proven guilty..

Having said that I also understand that cops are in very dangerous situations every day.. there are also good cops out there that put their lives on the line to uphold our safety... I just don't think that Heath can claim this to be the truth based on those videos. His comments here and in other threads make it clear that he has a racist agenda.

 

[Eve]

I don't agree that we cater to criminals. We cater to innocent until proven guilty. That is how the system works

We give our prisoners cable tv, special foods, etc. I can't even afford cable tv in my own home! The criminals do not have to work to pay for their keep, that comes out of our tax money. I would say that is catering.

 

[rockdrummer]

We give our prisoners cable tv, special foods, etc. I can't even afford cable tv in my own home! The criminals do not have to work to pay for their keep, that comes out of our tax money. I would say that is catering.

That is not what we are talking about. Once they are found guilty by a jury of peers based on investigations then yes they go to jail. The conditions in jail are a completly different issue than what I have spoke of here. Dont get me wrong. I am not siding with criminals here.. I am siding with the American Justice system and the concept of innocent until proven guilty. If someone has a better system that is just and fair for all, please speak up. Better yet, run for president

 

[Eve]

I agree with you . Nobody should resist arrest. But if you do, that doesn't give the cops the right to kill you.

It does if they feel their own lives and welfare are in jeopardy.

Here are some realities for you to consider.
1. Not all cops are good cops and many of them are racist and corrupt.

I am sure that is true, but we can't judge all cops based on the actions of a few bad apples.

2. Not all people of color are treated properly by the police so you can't blame them when they don't trust the cops which is why some will resist arrest.

This is no reason to resist arrest. It only gives the police more ammunition to use against you.

3. Put yourself in the shoes of someone of color that knows in the area they live the cops are racist. What would you do?

I wouldn't give the cops reason to question my intentions in the first place.

I'ts like that famous video of the State trooper in the unmarked car that beat the crap out of that older black woman because she wouldn't stop.. Her side of the story was that she was not sure he was even a cop and there were incidents of criminals posing as cops and robbing elderly people. Innocent until proven guilty..

Not that the cop should have beat the woman down, but rather than evade the police officer, she should have gotten on a phone and contacted dispatch to confirm whether she was being detained legally or not.

Having said that I also understand that cops are in very dangerous situations every day.. there are also good cops out there that put their lives on the line to uphold our safety...

Yes, there are. And they shouldn't have to subject themselves to any more danger than they already do, just because some jerk pulls a cellphone (which in the blink of an eye could be misconstrued for a weapon) out.

I just don't think that Heath can claim this to be the truth based on those videos. He clearly has a racist agenda.

I honestly don't know Heath's intent. I only know my perception of the situation. And I also believe the cops should be given the same justice the rest of us are entitled to "innocent until proven guilty".

 

[Eve]

That is not what we are talking about. Once they are found guilty by a jury of peers based on investigations then yes they go to jail. The conditions in jail are a completly different issue than what I have spoke of here. Dont get me wrong. I am not siding with criminals here.. I am siding with the American Justice system and the theory of innocent until proven guilty. If someone has a better system that is just and fair for all, please speak up.

with all due respect, I understand that the prison system is not the issue at hand, it was just an example of how we do cater to criminals. Another example would be how I am just so tired of criminals finding loopholes in our laws to get out of serving their due time.

 

[rockdrummer]

It does if they feel their own lives and welfare are in jeopardy.

That is correct for good cops. Bad racist cops only say they felt they were in jepordy to justify their actions.

I am sure that is true, but we can't judge all cops based on the actions of a few bad apples.

I am not judging all cops. I clearly stated SOME cops are racist and corrupt.

This is no reason to resist arrest. It only gives the police more ammunition to use against you.

Not true if you have a genuine distrust towards the police. I don't expect you to understand that because you have never been mistreated by police because of your race, creed or color. Agree to disagree

I wouldn't give the cops reason to question my intentions in the first place. Not that the cop should have beat the woman down, but rather than evade the police officer, she should have gotten on a phone and contacted dispatch to confirm whether she was being detained legally or not.

You are missing the point. To a racist corrupt cop, the fact that you are of color causes him to question your intentions. And think about this, the woman was going down the highway.. What makes you think she even had a phone?

Yes, there are. And they shouldn't have to subject themselves to any more danger than they already do, just because some jerk pulls a cellphone (which in the blink of an eye could be misconstrued for a weapon) out.

When a person takes oath as a cop they fully understand that they are putting their lives on the line every day. There is no more danger than that.

I honestly don't know Heath's intent.

Heaths intent is obvious. Just read his comments in this and in other threads. His hatred, bigotry and racist comments are what have gotten him banned before. And trust me, I am not the only one that feel this way.

 

[rockdrummer]

with all due respect, I understand that the prison system is not the issue at hand, it was just an example of how we do cater to criminals. Another example would be how I am just so tired of criminals finding loopholes in our laws to get out of serving their due time.

Eve,, I understand where you are comming from... There are many holes in the system and yes they are taken advangage of by (lets get this straignt) LAWYERS. Your average criminal is not smart enough to exploit holes in the justice system but the ambulance chasing lawayers are. I agree with you that some get off scott free because of that. But to keep in in perspective, that is not what we are talking about here.

 

[Eve]

Not true if you have a genuine distrust towards the police. I don't expect you to understand that because you have never been mistreated by police because of your race, creed or color. Agree to disagree

I have been mistreated by a police officer in the past, but I still would never give a cop reason to mistrust my intentions, for fear of more negative consequences.

You are missing the point. To a racist corrupt cop, the fact that you are of color causes him to question your intentions. And think about this, the woman was going down the highway.. What makes you think she even had a phone?

If she didn't have a cell phone, she should have taken the nearest exit and found a payphone. 911 doesn't require a 50cent deposit. Obviously she did end up exiting her vehicle or she wouldn't have received a beating. If she had done so earlier, she probably wouldnt have endured the beating in the first place. Like I said before though, that doesn't justify the abuse, but sometimes we need to take responsibility for our own actions.

When a person takes oath as a cop they fully understand that they are putting their lives on the line every day. There is no more danger than that.

Yes, but they certainly don't have time to differentiate between a cell phone and a gun. This is one of those times when I wish Taylor were still a member here. I am sure he could expound upon this matter better than I seem to be doing.

Heaths intent is obvious. Just read his comments in this and in other threads. His hatred, bigotry and racist comments are what have gotten him banned before. And trust me, I am not the only one that feel this way.

I tend to ignore people like that. If they are incapable of being ignored, then I just make them look ignorant with their own words. But so far, I haven't personally noticed any racist comments, so I have no reason to lash out. *shrugs*

 

[Eve]

Eve,, I understand where you are comming from... There are many holes in the system and yes they are taken advangage of by (lets get this straignt) LAWYERS. Your average criminal is not smart enough to exploit holes in the justice system but the ambulance chasing lawayers are. I agree with you that some get off scott free because of that. But to keep in in perspective, that is not what we are talking about here.

And who pays for those LAWYERS? we do, through our tax dollars. Another case of us catering to criminals.

 

[rockdrummer]

I have been mistreated by a police officer in the past, but I still would never give a cop reason to mistrust my intentions, for fear of more negative consequences.

Then I would not consider you to be a person that mistrusts the police. My comment was for those that do not trust the police.

If she didn't have a cell phone, she should have taken the nearest exit and found a payphone. 911 doesn't require a 50cent deposit. Obviously she did end up exiting her vehicle or she wouldn't have received a beating. If she had done so earlier, she probably wouldnt have endured the beating in the first place. Like I said before though, that doesn't justify the abuse, but sometimes we need to take responsibility for our own actions.

Then you didn't see the video.. she was literally draged out of her car and beaten down. Do you think the pissed off cop is going to stand by why you make a pay phone call? Not in the real world.

Yes, but they certainly don't have time to differentiate between a cell phone and a gun. This is one of those times when I wish Taylor were still a member here. I am sure he could expound upon this matter better than I seem to be doing.

Did you watch the videos... have a look and then tell me what you think

I tend to ignore people like that. If they are incapable of being ignored, then I just make them look ignorant with their own words. But so far, I haven't personally noticed any racist comments, so I have no reason to lash out. *shrugs*

REALLY??? Dreamdeaf edited his racist comments out because I reported his post.. What he said was along the lines of he doesn't trust black people because they are sneaky. He just lumped all black people into one catagory (stereotyping) and said they are sneaky just because of their color. What do you think about that?

 

[Heath]

Rockdrummer, Let me ask you a question.

Why are so many African Americans breaking the laws ? Most normal people do not do these things and many people have come to hate the African Americans and do not trust them as a result of their own actions and not ours, yet the African Americans try to blame us for 400 years of slavery when the real issue is for them to take responsiblity for their own actions. The African Americans do not understand this very simple concept yet they beg us saying " Can't we just get along ? " when the African American's illegal behavior is blatantly obivous to everybody. I am serious, they don't understand the very simple concept, " Do not break the law "

I do not break the law neither do I commit crimes on the scales of what the African Americans do in their communities. That would be very insane and nobody in their right mind commits crimes of armed robbery, rape, aggravted assault, attempted murder or 1st degree murder, drug dealing.

Also, when I stayed in the men's shelters when I was homeless. I saw that many normal African Americans hated the crackheads much, much more than the rest of American society did. The African American community is really fed up with the crackheads commiting crimes and holding their communities in the grips of a hostage-like situation. When I talked to older African American gentlemen from a different generation. They tell me it did not use to be like this and they knew better than to break the law. Today's African Americans have no regard for the law.

Also, most cops who come onto the jobs are not racists but as they see more and more then they become racists, out of a survival mindset. Much like what our U.S. Troops are doing when they first come over then they end up being racists out of a survival instinct, with the sick beheadings, shootings, rapes, armed gangs etc.

That is the end result all because of what the African Americans are doing to each other and to American society that makes them so hated and the thing here is that African Americans do not realize they are making people hate them by their own actions. Remember I told you I was not a racist to begin with and now look what happened. I did not ask to be a racist but I am because of all these things going on.

Nobody told them to hold up the local liquor store, or to go on a drive by shooting or rape women or knife somebody only to find there is $5.00 and it is not enough to burn and smoke some crack. This is their own doings and American society is increasingly fed up with African Americans, for a very good reason.

All they had to do was really simple.

DO NOT BREAK THE LAW PERIOD, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY.

If that guy in the video clip stayed home in bed and not be running around the streets like a thug with a gun, I don't care if he has a real one or a fake one. God who knows what he might have done with that gun to knock over the liquor store or to rape a woman at gunpoint. He is asking to get himself gunned down by the police period running around at 3 a.m. like that. Normal people do not run around with guns at 3 a.m. period.

I am sure your politically correct mind will never be able to understand this at all and yet, you will make excuses, excuses, and more excuses for the criminals, no matter how much you say you are not helping the criminals. You are. Go ahead and make more excuses.

 

[Eve]

Then I would not consider you to be a person that mistrusts the police. My comment was for those that do not trust the police.

My point was that even though I have been given reason to mistrust the police, I would not give them reason to mistrust me, out of fear of a possible outcome such as what this topic is based on.

Then you didn't see the video.. she was literally draged out of her car and beaten down. Do you think the pissed off cop is going to stand by why you make a pay phone call? Not in the real world.

Probably not, but it still doesn't negate her responsibility for evading the police in the first place. Nor does that entitle the police to severely beat her. In my opinion, both are accountable.

Did you watch the videos... have a look and then tell me what you think

I did watch both, and from my perception of the second video, the police appeared to be justified in their shooting. Of course, it is all a matter of perception, as the first video showed a different perspective than the second.

REALLY??? Dreamdeaf edited his racist comments out because I reported his post.. What he said was along the lines of he doesn't trust black people because they are sneaky. He just lumped all black people into one catagory (stereotyping) and said they are sneaky just because of their color. What do you think about that?

Obviously I missed that. Glad it was deleted. I guess he must have a "mistrust" of those of color. Of course, that doesn't negate his poor attitude and wording either.

Heath, I am sorry that you have formed such a horrible opinion of an entire society of people. I can assure you that not all black people are criminals, and therefore just like the cops, we shouldn't judge all people based on the actions of some bad apples.

 

[rockdrummer]

Rockdrummer, Let me ask you a question.

Why are so many African Americans breaking the laws ? Most normal people do not do these things and many people have come to hate the African Americans and do not trust them as a result of their own actions and not ours, yet the African Americans try to blame us for 400 years of slavery when the real issue is for them to take responsiblity for their own actions. The African Americans do not understand this very simple concept yet they beg us saying " Can't we just get along ? " when the African American's illegal behavior is blatantly obivous to everybody. I am serious, they don't understand the very simple concept, " Do not break the law "

You talk as though African Americans are the only ones out there breaking the laws. Why are so many people of other races breaking the laws? Why does anybody break the law? Everybody has their reasons. What about the poor family that is oppressed because of their color and cant' even get a job so they steal food to feed their starving babies? Is that justified? I don't condone breaking the law and my point is that there are many reasons people break laws regardless of weither we agree with them or not. And trust me, it's not just African Americans. There you go stereotyping again.

I do not break the law neither do I commit crimes on the scales of what the African Americans do in their communities. That would be very insane and nobody in their right mind commits crimes of armed robbery, rape, aggravted assault, attempted murder or 1st degree murder, drug dealing.

Again, it's NOT just African Americans that commit those crimes.

Also, when I stayed in the men's shelters when I was homeless. I saw that many normal African Americans hated the crackheads much, much more than the rest of American society did. The African American community is really fed up with the crackheads commiting crimes and holding their communities in the grips of a hostage-like situation. When I talked to older African American gentlemen from a different generation. They tell me it did not use to be like this and they knew better than to break the law. Today's African Americans have no regard for the law.

Hmmm... do you think the (in your words) "Normal African Americans" are sneaky as you stated in your first post. Or will you now backpeddle?

Also, most cops who come onto the jobs are not racists but as they see more and more then they become racists, out of a survival mindset. Much like what our U.S. Troops are doing when they first come over then they end up being racists out of a survival instinct, with the sick beheadings, shootings, rapes, armed gangs etc.

There is never any justification for racism. Reasonable people understand there are good and bad in all walks of life no matter what color you are. Nobody, especially police should have a racist attitude. If they do then they should not be cops. Period! And don't even tell me about our troops. You may have forgotten that I have served many years in our Military along side my white, black, hispanic, phillipian brothers. The only racisim that is in the military was from those that came in as racists. Believe it or not, some that came in racist left with a better understanding and appreciation for others because of ther experience with people from all over the world that they served along side.

That is the end result all because of what the African Americans are doing to each other and to American society that makes them so hated and the thing here is that African Americans do not realize they are making people hate them by their own actions. Remember I told you I was not a racist to begin with and now look what happened. I did not ask to be a racist but I am because of all these things going on.

There is the Heath that I described. Sometimes its best if you don't say anything. Now you are admitting you are a racist. It's funny that you always claimed that you are not racist when your words and actions said otherwise. It's nice to see that you have finally come to grips with your bigotry and have fessed up. It's what I have been saying all along. And you keep talking as though African Americans are the only ones out there commiting crimes.. You need to step into the real world my friend.

Nobody told them to hold up the local liquor store, or to go on a drive by shooting or rape women or knife somebody only to find there is $5.00 and it is not enough to burn and smoke some crack. This is their own doings and American society is increasingly fed up with African Americans, for a very good reason.

Please don't speak for the American society. The white supremist hate groups are a minority.. Trust me!

All they had to do was really simple.

They? You mean the African Americans?

I am sure your politically correct mind will never be able to understand this at all and yet, you will make excuses, excuses, and more excuses for the criminals, no matter how much you say you are not helping the criminals. You are. Go ahead and make more excuses

I am anything but politically correct. What I am is for human rights no matter who you are. Let me ask you a question. You claim to be a good Christian and proud American.. Please to show me where a "good Christian" can be a racist. And as a proud American, why is it that you are against the justice system. Grant it that it's not perfect but show me a better one anywhere in the world. I make no excuses for anyone. I stand for what is right and just. My problem with you is that you are bias. And you are a racist. You side with the cops no matter what. That is dangerous to our society and to America and to the basic premise of freedom which is the foundation of our great country.

 

[Eve]

rockdrummer, point taken.

 

[rockdrummer]

rockdrummer, point taken.

Thanks Eve. I am glad he finally admitted what he has lied about in the past that he is a racist. For me his true colors shined through a long time ago.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

RockDrummer has made good point...

and also Really not necessary about all talk about Black people true crime.. what about other white or yellow or blacks or any kinds their skins.. condiser racist.. I do not like that.. Like Everyone are normal equal just humans beings..

as far my concern about the good or bad officer can be white lies as their own teeth cover up so many cases... I'm tired of it.. as long must by law following the crimes that is it..

What if video caught white person shot the police.. will they shoot them.. doubt... just want wait until person give up and put their gun down.. then arrest.. The bad guy didn't dead and want person stay alive.. but seeing this video.. sound like target black person .. they want this person DEAD..

too awful close this guy.. why can't stop this person and move down arrest it.. wait wait then shoot fired the person 5th times.. wha.. a joke? Police seek way easy to go out! .. their solution..
cut that crap!

 

[Heath]

You talk as though African Americans are the only ones out there breaking the laws. Why are so many people of other races breaking the laws? Why does anybody break the law? Everybody has their reasons. What about the poor family that is oppressed because of their color and cant' even get a job so they steal food to feed their starving babies? Is that justified? I don't condone breaking the law and my point is that there are many reasons people break laws regardless of weither we agree with them or not. And trust me, it's not just African Americans. There you go stereotyping again.

A high percentage of African American crimes are violent crimes and there is just about 1 perecent that only, only steal for food and the 99% of them are in correctional facilities for violent crimes that have nothing to do with stealing food. Sure another people commit crimes but what is the majority of the crimes being commited in this country ? African Americans. No questions about it.

Again, it's NOT just African Americans that commit those crimes.

I already know that. The majority of crimes that you are seeing being commited are overwhelming African Americans.

Hmmm... do you think the (in your words) "Normal African Americans" are sneaky as you stated in your first post. Or will you now backpeddle?

Don't twist my words. You did not read clearly what I said.


There is never any justification for racism. Reasonable people understand there are good and bad in all walks of life no matter what color you are. Nobody, especially police should have a racist attitude. If they do then they should not be cops. Period! And don't even tell me about our troops. You may have forgotten that I have served many years in our Military along side my white, black, hispanic, phillipian brothers. The only racisim that is in the military was from those that came in as racists. Believe it or not, some that came in racist left with a better understanding and appreciation for others because of ther experience with people from all over the world that they served along side.

Oh come on, you are lying through your teeth. Some may have but for the most part most don't and they have a much more realistic view of the world than you do.

There is the Heath that I described. Sometimes its best if you don't say anything. Now you are admitting you are a racist. It's funny that you always claimed that you are not racist when your words and actions said otherwise. It's nice to see that you have finally come to grips with your bigotry and have fessed up. It's what I have been saying all along. And you keep talking as though African Americans are the only ones out there commiting crimes.. You need to step into the real world my friend.

No and you are twisting my words. You clearly do not understand.

Please don't speak for the American society. The white supremist hate groups are a minority.. Trust me!

It is not only the white supermacists, many different groups are increasingly fed up with African Americans.

They? You mean the African Americans?

Yes, All they had to do was to not break the law. That was really simple. They do not understand that concept of not breaking the law.

I am anything but politically correct. What I am is for human rights no matter who you are. Let me ask you a question. You claim to be a good Christian and proud American.. Please to show me where a "good Christian" can be a racist. And as a proud American, why is it that you are against the justice system. Grant it that it's not perfect but show me a better one anywhere in the world. I make no excuses for anyone. I stand for what is right and just. My problem with you is that you are bias. And you are a racist. You side with the cops no matter what. That is dangerous to our society and to America and to the basic premise of freedom which is the foundation of our great country.

A Good Christian will not allow somebody to get away with a crime. That African American, what was he doing leading police officers on a long winding police chase then trying to shoot police officers and what is he doing with a gun at 3 a.m. Do you see any another Normal African Americans at 3 a.m. running around with a gun ? No, they are in bed asleep either for work or to let the day go by the next day. It is you who are dangerous because you will continue to allow American society to decay at increasing dangerous criminal levels while denying with blind horses eyes that nothing bad is going on and that everything is alright when it is not and that is why I work very hard as a law abiding concerned American citizen to ensure that the levels of the crime rate are brought way, way down. You by contrast want the crime rate to skyrocket to dangerous and very gross, digusting un-heard of crime rate levels. I am not going to have any of that. If you really loved America then you really would have brought crime levels way, way down. This is why I work very hard to petition US Senate and US Congress and sign many online petitions in support of a good cause. I support the police and the justice system. You, Rockdrummer speak as if you support the police and the justice system yet, I see you are exactly doing the opposite of what you are saying and doing by supporting the criminals while I don't.

 

[rockdrummer]

A Good Christian will not allow somebody to get away with a crime. That African American, what was he doing leading police officers on a long winding police chase then trying to shoot police officers and what is he doing with a gun at 3 a.m. Do you see any another Normal African Americans at 3 a.m. running around with a gun ? No, they are in bed asleep either for work or to let the day go by the next day. It is you who are dangerous because you will continue to allow American society to decay at increasing dangerous criminal levels while denying with blind horses eyes that nothing bad is going on and that everything is alright when it is not and that is why I work very hard as a law abiding concerned American citizen to ensure that the levels of the crime rate are brought way, way down. You by contrast want the crime rate to skyrocket to dangerous and very gross, digusting un-heard of crime rate levels. I am not going to have any of that. If you really loved America then you really would have brought crime levels way, way down. This is why I work very hard to petition US Senate and US Congress and sign many online petitions in support of a good cause. I support the police and the justice system. You, Rockdrummer speak as if you support the police and the justice system yet, I see you are exactly doing the opposite of what you are saying and doing by supporting the criminals while I don't.

None of your words are twisted. They are there for everyone to read and decide for themselves. I don't support criminals but support our justice system. Thats it plain and simple. I'll let others decide from what they see of this conversation. Some have allready spoken up and I am sure there will be more to follow. You are one of the biggest hypocrytes I have ever met. You try to come across as a good Christian and proud American but you are quite transparant. Myself and others can see right through you. Face it. You are an admitted racist and I hope those that run this site will not allow you to continue spewing your racist hatred. Why don't you go somewhere else where your primitave thinking is embraced.

 

[Eve]

What if video caught white person shot the police.. will they shoot them.. doubt... just want wait until person give up and put their gun down.. then arrest.. The bad guy didn't dead and want person stay alive.. but seeing this video.. sound like target black person .. they want this person DEAD..

too awful close this guy.. why can't stop this person and move down arrest it.. wait wait then shoot fired the person 5th times.. wha.. a joke? Police seek way easy to go out! .. their solution..
cut that crap!

I don't buy this for one second. In the second video, the guy appeared to be aiming something at the police. I couldn't tell if it were a gun or what, and I doubt the police had time to make that determination either. Just because Heath appears to be racist, doesn't mean the cops were.