excerpts of President Obama's address to Congress tonight

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jillio said:
You are looking in the wrong section, and seriously misinterpreting the section you are quoting. The bill SPECIFICALLY prohibits coverage for illegal aliens under health care reform. Keep reading. You'll figure it out one of these days. Maybe.:roll:
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I don't think he wants to figure it out. Obama and the Democrats are going to get bashed on every forum in this site every time they make the slighest mistake to the point where everyone puts him on ignore.
 
Banjo said:
Naturally, you dragged the past into this. If you really want to drag the past into this, I'll mention the fact that you voted for Al Gore in the 2000 Election. But how? By flipping a coin before making your vote.

Dragging the past into this discussion will not do you any favours.

The thing is, it shouldn't be tolerated, regardless of who they are. Republicans, Democrats, Average Joes and such.

Contempt is contempt. Can't get any simpler than that. You can even get placed into custody for showing contempt toward a judge while the court is in session.
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That was a non-sequitur comment but I'll let that one slide.

Yeah, contempt is contempt though none of the Democrats ever apologized for their boos during a live presidential SOTU speech.

Joe Wilson, however, apologized.

Move on.
 
jillio said:
Yes, there are. You have been busted out. Give it up. We all know you havene't read the bill, and are relying on some right wing website you've googled to tell you what to think. We see that you can't manage to read the bill and think for yourself.
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There are no enforcement mechanisms in the Bill to prevent illegal aliens from receiving health care subsidies.

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Banjo said:
The point is, it shouldn't be tolerated at all. People have to bite their tongues once in a while. Especially during an address to the congress. That's why they have the opposition party give a televised rebuttal after the speech, so you can get to speak your mind.

It's all about having class.
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And that is why I have a poster on ignore. If I find it hard to be respectful toward someone, I put them on ignore.
 
deafskeptic said:
I don't think he wants to figure it out. Obama and the Democrats are going to get bashed on every forum in this site every time they make the slighest mistake to the point where everyone puts him on ignore.
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Of course he doesn't. That is why he continually changes course everytime he gets busted out posting another piece of untruth and misinformation. He has no intention of becoming informed and responsible. His entire motive is to bash Obama. If Obama had run under the Republican banner, Kokonut would have become a die hard Democrat. It's obvious.
 
kokonut said:
There are no enforcement mechanisms in the Bill to prevent illegal aliens from receiving health care subsidies.

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When you have managed to read the bill, you will be qualified to comment on what is contained in the bill. To date, you have not achieved that qualification nor any level of credibility. But hey, keep talking. You are just making it more and more evident what your agenda is and loosing credibility by the minute.
 
kokonut said:
Joe Wilson, however, apologized.

Move on.
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He shouted out quite loudly disrupting the speech. A meaningless apology isn't enough. They aren't in elementary schools anymore. People need to start acting like adults.

Enough is enough. It need to be made clear that they are not to disrupt a speech. No booing, nothing, zip. Just sit down and shut up and listen is what they should be doing. If not, then leave the room before the speech takes place. It has gone on for too long. People need to start showing some class for once when they are in public.
 
kokonut said:
That was a non-sequitur comment but I'll let that one slide.

Yeah, contempt is contempt though none of the Democrats ever apologized for their boos during a live presidential SOTU speech.

Joe Wilson, however, apologized.

Move on.
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Of course you'll let it slide. Can't justify it in any way shape or form!:giggle:
 
Banjo said:
He shouted out quite loudly disrupting the speech. A meaningless apology isn't enough. They aren't in elementary schools anymore. People need to start acting like adults.

Enough is enough. It need to be made clear that they are not to disrupt a speech. No booing, nothing, zip. Just sit down and shut up and listen is what they should be doing. If not, then leave the room before the speech takes place. It has gone on for too long. People need to start showing some class for once when they are in public.
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And the fact is, Joe Wilson called the White House to apologize, but did not speak to the President. A superficial attempt to smooth over rough waters. Totally without sincerity.
 
kokonut said:
That was a non-sequitur comment but I'll let that one slide.

Yeah, contempt is contempt though none of the Democrats ever apologized for their boos during a live presidential SOTU speech.

Joe Wilson, however, apologized.

Move on.
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Does that means Republicans have the right to act in the same manner? Ever heard of "not sinking to their level?"

The Democrats messed up in the past, big deal. It still doesn't give the Republicans the right to do the same a few years later.

By the way, doing a "04: and :24 time stamp" is not sufficient enough. Deaf people have the right to know the context of the speech in its entirety to understand why the Democrats were acting that way.
 
jillio said:
Of course you'll let it slide. Can't justify it in any way shape or form!:giggle:
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At the time, I was looking at what appeared to be two weasle looking candidates, so I flipped a coin. Gore won but glad that he lost! Boy was I ever glad. That was a valuable lesson of mine. I least I realized it back then. Now I know just how weasle Gore was and still is to today.
 
souggy said:
Does that means Republicans have the right to act in the same manner? Ever heard of "not sinking to their level?"

The Democrats messed up in the past, big deal. It still doesn't give the Republicans the right to do the same a few years later.

By the way, doing a "04: and :24 time stamp" is not sufficient enough. Deaf people have the right to know the context of the speech in its entirety to understand why the Democrats were acting that way.
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At least Joe apologized, the Democrats back then in 2005 did not.
 
jillio said:
And the fact is, Joe Wilson called the White House to apologize, but did not speak to the President. A superficial attempt to smooth over rough waters. Totally without sincerity.
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Democrats never did, even indirectly so. :wave:

I accepted that fact.

More apoplectic fits? More manufactured outrage?
 
kokonut said:
At least Joe apologized, the Democrats back then in 2005 did not.
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"At least" doesn't cut it. They knew better in the first place.

It's like someone who steal, got caught on video tape. Then someone else who saw the video tape does the same thing, then apologize for it. Still wrong in both cases, and an apology does not correct it either.

It is still a form of ad hominen tu quoque, no matter how you cut it.
 
kokonut said:
At the time, I was looking at what appeared to be two weasle looking candidates, so I flipped a coin. Gore won but glad that he lost! Boy was I ever glad. That was a valuable lesson of mine. I least I realized it back then. Now I know just how weasle Gore was and still is to today.
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Like I said...no justification. Anyone who wants to claim a superior level of political awareness and knowledge the way you do cannot retain credibility by flipping a coin to make a voting choice. That is totally contradictory to awareness and responsibility.

Hindsight doesn't count, Kokonut. Fact is, you were so unaware and so irresponsible as to throw a vote away with the flip of a coin. And now you want to call yourself a pundit. Oh, the hypocrisy!:laugh2::laugh2:
 
kokonut said:
At least Joe apologized, the Democrats back then in 2005 did not.
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No he didn't. He attempted to apologize. He did not speak with the President. The rest of it was just to get his own party off his back for his rude and unacceptable behavior.
 
souggy said:
"At least" doesn't cut it. They knew better in the first place.

It's like someone who steal, got caught on video tape. Then someone else who saw the video tape does the same thing, then apologize for it. Still wrong.

It is still a form of ad hominen tu quoque, no matter how you cut it.
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There you go. Seems like we aren't just the only few people who agree on this one.
 
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