excerpts of President Obama's address to Congress tonight

[jillio]

House Democrats defeated all attempts in committee to add an enforcement mechanism that would require proof of citizenship or legal residency for those getting subsidies.Why not? Secondly, the Bill contains a section that people shall not be discriminated for medical care, does that include illegal aliens, too? It's pretty broad with loopholes to allow illegal aliens get the subsidies.

Again, kokonut, read all of the document. There is a section that SPECIFICALLY DENIES COVERAGE FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. Your problem is you are trying to pick and choose what you read and one section often clarifies another. Stop talking and start reading.

BTW, since you are so fond of polls, CNN reported a 69% approval rating for Obama this morning following the speech!

 

[kokonut]

Again, kokonut, read all of the document. There is a section that SPECIFICALLY DENIES COVERAGE FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. Your problem is you are trying to pick and choose what you read and one section often clarifies another. Stop talking and start reading.

BTW, since you are so fond of polls, CNN reported a 69% approval rating for Obama this morning following the speech!

there is no enforcement mechanism described in the Bill. Are you saying that they'll be asking for their IDs and proof of citizenships automatically?

 

[jillio]

there is no enforcement mechanism described in the Bill. Are you saying that they'll be asking for their IDs and proof of citizenships automatically?

Yes, there is. READ THE BILL. Then you will be capable of discussing it. Right now, you are simply doing what you always do and looking for someone else to tell you what is in there. READ THE BILL.

 

[kokonut]

So, any vocalization (boos, catcalls, etc) should not happen while a president speaks? Suppose a group of Republicans did that, would you call for them to apologize, too.?

 

[jillio]

So, any vocalization (boos, catcalls, etc) should not happen while a president speaks? Suppose a group of Republicans did that, would you call for them to apologize, too.?

No it shouldn't. It is childish, immature, disrespectful, and evidence of a total lack of intelligence. And yeah, a group of Republicans, or a single Republican that engages in such behavior should be called out on it.

 

[Banjo]

So, any vocalization (boos, catcalls, etc) should not happen while a president speaks? Suppose a group of Republicans did that, would you call for them to apologize, too.?

The point is, it shouldn't be tolerated at all. People have to bite their tongues once in a while. Especially during an address to the congress. That's why they have the opposition party give a televised rebuttal after the speech, so you can get to speak your mind.

It's all about having class.

 

[Banjo]

No it shouldn't. It is childish, immature, disrespectful, and evidence of a total lack of intelligence. And yeah, a group of Republicans, or a single Republican that engages in such behavior should be called out on it.

That goes for poorly made signs with a strong tone of contempt too as well.

 

[kokonut]

The Bill does not specifically say "no health care will be provided illegals".

 

[jillio]

That goes for poorly made signs with a strong tone of contempt too as well.

Agreed.

 

[kokonut]

Seems like a few people sure like to be forgetful of Bush SOTU address in 2005 where he got choruses of boos and catcalls by many Democrats. How come they never apologized for their outbursts while a president is talking.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM]YouTube - Democrats Boo Bush During 2005 SOTU[/ame]
You can hear the boos and catcalls starting at 04 seconds to 24 seconds in between Bush' talks.

Yeah, let's go into an apoplectic fit over Joe Wilson. He apologized. Democrats in 2005 for making a ruckus during a presidential speech.

Joe Wilson...apologized.

Move on and get past this histrionics of yours.

 

[jillio]

The Bill does not specifically say "no health care will be provided illegals".

Obviously, you still have not read it. It most certainly does say that NO COVERAGE IS PROVIDED FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. You are now attempting to play some little word games here. It is transparent. You got busted out on your lie that coverage would be provided for illegal aliens, and now you are trying to alter your wording. Give it up.

 

[kokonut]

No it shouldn't. It is childish, immature, disrespectful, and evidence of a total lack of intelligence. And yeah, a group of Republicans, or a single Republican that engages in such behavior should be called out on it.

that includes a big bunch of Democrats who booed and made catcalls during Bush' presidential SOTU speech in 2005.




They weren't called out. Because Democrats do not need to apologize or what?

My, how forgetful are we?

 

[jillio]

Seems like a few people sure like to be forgetful of Bush SOTU address in 2005 where he got choruses of boos and catcalls by many Democrats. How come they never apologized for their outbursts while a president is talking.

YouTube - Democrats Boo Bush During 2005 SOTU
You can hear the boos and catcalls starting at 04 seconds to 24 seconds in between Bush' talks.

Yeah, let's go into an apoplectic fit over Joe Wilson. He apologized. Democrats in 2005 for making a ruckus during a presidential speech.

Joe Wilson...apologized.

Move on and get past this histrionics of yours.

Hmmm....again with the posting of videos without transcripts on a deaf website. Is there no end to your disrespect?

 

[kokonut]

Obviously, you still have not read it. It most certainly does say that NO COVERAGE IS PROVIDED FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. You are now attempting to play some little word games here. It is transparent. You got busted out on your lie that coverage would be provided for illegal aliens, and now you are trying to alter your wording. Give it up.

Sorry, no dice. There are no enforcement mechanisms in place to ensure that illegal aliens do not receive the free health care reserved to American citizens and those who are here legally.

 

[jillio]

that includes a big bunch of Democrats who booed and made catcalls during Bush' presidential SOTU speech in 2005.




They weren't called out. Because Democrats do not need to apologize or what?

My, how forgetful are we?

It was disrespectful then, it is disrespectful now. However, there is a great deal of difference between booing a policy to show disagreement, and shouting out "You lie!" during a Presidential speech. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to grasp the nuances of such.

 

[Banjo]

Seems like a few people sure like to be forgetful of Bush SOTU address in 2005 where he got choruses of boos and catcalls by many Democrats. How come they never apologized for their outbursts while a president is talking.

You can hear the boos and catcalls starting at 04 seconds to 24 seconds in between Bush' talks.

Yeah, let's go into an apoplectic fit over Joe Wilson. He apologized. Democrats in 2005 for making a ruckus during a presidential speech.

Joe Wilson...apologized.

Move on and get past this histrionics of yours.

Naturally, you dragged the past into this. If you really want to drag the past into this, I'll mention the fact that you voted for Al Gore in the 2000 Election. But how? By flipping a coin before making your vote.

Dragging the past into this discussion will not do you any favours.

The thing is, it shouldn't be tolerated, regardless of who they are. Republicans, Democrats, Average Joes and such.

Contempt is contempt. Can't get any simpler than that. You can even get placed into custody for showing contempt toward a judge while the court is in session.

 

[kokonut]

Hmmm....again with the posting of videos without transcripts on a deaf website. Is there no end to your disrespect?

My apologies to those who cannot hear but the boos, murmurs and catcalls can be heard between 04: and :24 time stamp.

 

[jillio]

Sorry, no dice. There are no enforcement mechanisms in place to ensure that illegal aliens do not receive the free health care reserved to American citizens and those who are here legally.

Yes, there are. You have been busted out. Give it up. We all know you havene't read the bill, and are relying on some right wing website you've googled to tell you what to think. We see that you can't manage to read the bill and think for yourself.

 

[jillio]

My apologies to those who cannot hear but the boos, murmurs and catcalls can be heard between 04: and :24 time stamp.

Too little, too late. Not the first example of you disrespecting the deaf members of this board by posting audio with no transcript.

 

[jillio]

Naturally, you dragged the past into this. If you really want to drag the past into this, I'll mention the fact that you voted for Al Gore in the 2000 Election. But how? By flipping a coin before making your vote.
Dragging the past into this discussion will not do you any favours.

The thing is, it shouldn't be tolerated, regardless of who they are. Republicans, Democrats, Average Joes and such.

Contempt is contempt. Can't get any simpler than that. You can even get placed into custody for showing contempt toward a judge while the court is in session.

Ouch!