EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

[Fragmenter]

I am going to murder your post by saying that deaf people are more capable than you just said they were.

I give up. You missed the point one too many time.

 

[Fragmenter]

If you are such a know-it-all on deaf culture and its people then why are you looking for help? Really I researched long and hard to find that and if you want proof give me a day and I'll have it.

I knkow its 15%

Deaflinuxgeek

Of. Course. I. Needed. To. Do. Research. On. Cochlear. Implants. Because. I. Grew. Up. In. The. Deaf. Community. And. Never. Paid. Attention. To. Cochlear. Implants.

Understand?

Fact: many deaf people in the deaf community struggles with English. Way more than 15%

How do I know this? Out of my freshman class, only 4 of us made the elite English class at Gallaudet. They were going to make us to write for the school newspaper eventually. 4 out of, what, 100? I know only a handful of students made the Advanced English class and the remaining students took their basic English classes.

Brief background on my life: I instantly made friends with deaf people who had great understanding of the English language because we could communicate on a deeper level. Believe me, we've had countless conversations regarding the Deaf and their struggles with literacy. I shouldn't be saying this but I'm so sick and tired of your boyfriend's propaganda.

I worked my ass off at English even though it's my second language. You guys are beyond comprehension.

The point is I wish every deaf people could read and write English at a sastifactory level so we wouldn't have so many misunderstandings. If you think I'm ashamed of or looking down at us -- you couldn't be more wrong.

I am ending this squabble with you, GNU, because it's getting too personal and I'm starting to entertain the thought of five minutes with you in an enclosed room. I'm better than that so have a nice life not ever opening your mind to the world. I hope someday you'll wake up, son.

 

[Cloggy]

 

[loml]

Don't slam the door......

*passing gnu his hat*

 

[loml]

The point is I wish every deaf people could read and write English at a sastifactory level so we wouldn't have so many misunderstandings

.

Fragmenter,

Absolutely!

 

[Sweetmind]

As for your English, you don't capitalize most of your sentences, you join sentences with commas where you should use semicolons, and some of your posts are littered with typos.

I agree but I have an excuse- English is my second langauge, self taught, and often I have migraine when typing- what's yours?

Ok, Now Im confused...I have read that you said that u wear two hearing aids, are an Oral speaker, and dont sign. You have also said that you have No plm communicating with Hearing people,and associate with the hearing world only. Now you also said you dont know/understand ASL and cannot hear with two HAs from the computer that has lo/hi volumes, and NOW English is your second language I m too confused by everything that you said.. What is your First Language if it is not English or ASL?

What do you mean u have an excuse that English is your second langauge??
I assumed knowing English would help you with grammar whether spoken or written.

I am not being rude by this post about you...I just had to point this out. You jumped to conclusions...that is your issue, not mine.

Closed caption doesnt work with ASL movies...because Closed caption is English. Its ruins the image of ASL. It ruins the true language of plays in video. There is a difference between English and ASL. Heearing people CODA know the difference. That is the purpose for it. If you really want to understand you should hire an oral speaking interpreter, dont try to change ASL thats the way it is.

You chose not to learn ASL which is fine with me but however you have no right to place your shoes into it after all you dont know nothing about ASL itself from the start. Thats what I dont appreciate with audism people who thinks they know it all.

Thats what it s all about Deaf cultures and our Deaf spirits.

Many thanks!
Sweetmind

 

[Victorias mom]

You probably have some of the worst arguing and English skills I've ever seen in my LIFE. People are probably just supporting you because you're an older lady and the mother of someone else on this board.

I have YET to see ANY original argument from you on this board that wasn't a personal attack.

Actually, Greema has been helpful to me and offered info in PM too. I didn't think this board was all about arguing, isn't it also about helping people and giving information? Not everyone wants to argue, and there is nothing wrong with giving input and posting that you agree without someone else.

 

[ismi]

Closed caption doesnt work with ASL movies...because Closed caption is English. Its ruins the image of ASL. It ruins the true language of plays in video. There is a difference between English and ASL. Heearing people CODA know the difference. That is the purpose for it. If you really want to understand you should hire an oral speaking interpreter, dont try to change ASL thats the way it is.

Think of it not as captions (a transliteration of the dialogue) but as subtitles (translation). Many foreign movies and TV shows have made it here in the US, and lots of hearing people consider subbed movies (i.e., original language audio, with English subtitles) to be far superior to dubbed movies (with audio re-recorded in English). Don't want to watch the subtitles? Just turn 'em off. Or heck, if it's already voice interpreted, why not caption the interpreter?

Now, whether or not we have the right to insist that videos like Wann's be subtitled or captioned is debatable. But I think it's pretty clear that it's not impossible to have well-done subtitles on a video like this.

 

[Sweetmind]

After all you dont understand what i m trying to imply on this topic post.. Some of you are acting childish and dont have any manners towards some of us who like to debate with adult behaviors. You just want to destroy my topic, that is nothing new. It shows what I know when I got so many people pushing me down for a very stupid reason.

Many times whoever agree with me. They would to admit they were wrong all along and some will never admit that as much as I can see.

Also, It s really embarassing to me to see audist attitude that affects our Deaf community. That is your purpose of having a very negative view of the point I am trying to make here and fair treatment for Deaf children s Alternative needs.

Some people are not being honest with themselves from the start. Those audist attitude have no right to place their two cents in the discussions about ASL and whats more people think I am chaotic about deaf people with ASL with or without devices.

Also, I find it s real odd that she calls herself deaf but dont speak the deaf language of ASL and it also put a damper on our fights to make ASL a universal language. It s simply not possible to speak on a topic that you dont know about.

People could never speak on a topic about being deaf since birth . So therefore you dont try and people should know better than even to speak a topic that she knows nothing about. However some of them on topics they really have no business talking about.

All I know is you people are mad at me simply because I did put it in your faces that people are wrong.

We deaf people need to work toegether but look at yourself that you dont want to work together for our Deaf children s sakes. I cannot do it alone that is the problem that are too bloody passive to work together and alot of them are like.. oh well..no one will ever listen to us anyways as you know.

I just cannot believe deaf children should be implanted. I believe it is a form of child abuse.. So be it!

There have been failures with CIs and those should not be ignored but there have been failures with many other things.

Unfortunately, thre are a lot of parents out there that absoultely dont care much about their children 's own success. Thats so sad, is it?

Many of you ignored the serious problem ever since then.. HA and CI failure deaf children couldnt hear anything that is still teaching him with SEE that relates to a spoken language. No wonder many of us Deaf and deaf oralist are having tooo many serious problems with Reading and Writing for years and years that has not solved the problem yet.. Now you are using an excuse to have CI on Deaf chidren that has nothing to do with their learning abilities.

Ears do not think but Brain does.. Deaf children are relying on their eyes to see and their hands to communicate that helps them to gain their intellectual skills and social motor skills that I have repeated this over and over. You just dont get it. so therefore you have a very serious problem reading and ignore it or refused to see the truth that works for Deaf children..

So now the next thing is you are degrading on CI deaf children who failed their English written by SEE and mainstream schools.. So it doesnt change bit at all. I find this is really wacko! You are hurting Deaf children s future that has not change a bit as well.

Thats why I am very supporting ASL that helps them to have a good reader and writer after all orally speaking or spoken language that slows them down to learn more than what u can give a little.. These Deaf children will receive a little .. Well, you need to have the wake up calls and change your own attitude about ASL ..

I have seen a lot of ASLers who can write and read very well.. So what is your point after all, they do not wear HA or CI?

Thats why I have no respect for some of you who are being so rude and disrespectful toward Deaf children who are very innocent that have the conformation as a hearing child while they cannot hear everything with their devices. It was/is totally unfair treatment to force them to keep away from other Deaf children or destroy Deaf schools that provide everything for them while Mainstream school doesnt have it but just having a very guttering interpreter with SEE only. Many of them are not happy as I know it so.

You cannot blame on Deaf chlidren but look at yourself bragging about having a good ENGLISH while u cannot read it very well. I think it s a big joke ever since CLOGGY loves to pretend that he agreed with you , audist people. He is always twists peoples words....he should wake up and realize he does NOT know everything about ASL. Especially if he is not even a resident of America, where ASL is used.

I prefer to focus on their READING And WRITING that needs to be done forcing them to listen those devices that doesnt make them hear everything. Scoffs!

LITERACY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN JUST HAVING A ORAL SPEAKING to hear FIRST itself. Thats Deaf children s right to have the good learning process without having any interference in their education.



Sweetmind

 

[Sweetmind]

Think of it not as captions (a transliteration of the dialogue) but as subtitles (translation). Many foreign movies and TV shows have made it here in the US, and lots of hearing people consider subbed movies (i.e., original language audio, with English subtitles) to be far superior to dubbed movies (with audio re-recorded in English). Don't want to watch the subtitles? Just turn 'em off. Or heck, if it's already voice interpreted, why not caption the interpreter?

Now, whether or not we have the right to insist that videos like Wann's be subtitled or captioned is debatable. But I think it's pretty clear that it's not impossible to have well-done subtitles on a video like this.

So therefore you have no respect for ASL that shows something that people need to realize that they should learn ASL since it s a real language. Why bother to spend money on Closed captions for ASL after all people need to learn. It is possible for them to learn if they have a postive attitude about it. The reason why we dont want to have CC is because people need to learn how to read their body language and facial expressions..it needs to be recognized that this is a part of our language.

We have the reason to have closed captions for Deaf or hearing loss that they couldnt understand it that will not make us capable to hear with any devices while you can if you want to. If not then dont ask me for CC. Thanks!.

There are NO excuses for not learning ASL that is your issue not ours. Also it s good for them to practice with their receptively eyes.

Thank you!
Sweetmind

 

[Angel]

After all you dont understand what i m trying to imply on this topic post.. Some of you are acting childish and dont have any manners towards some of us who like to debate with adult behaviors. You just want to destroy my topic, that is nothing new. It shows what I know when I got so many people pushing me down for a very stupid reason.

Actually I see ALOT of good points in this thread, but it seems to me you won't keep an open mind where others are coming from too, and I find it a bit odd that you said many of us are trying to destory your thread, can you please show me where? and I remember you have tried to destory more than just one thread since you have been a member here, I'm not here to put you down, but sometimes you don't look at what you're doing yourself but only to pin point the blame on others, it don't work that way hon, got to learn that it goes both ways, and beside you said this thread is only about hearing aids, why did you bring up about closed capition?...

 

[ayala920]

Of. Course. I. Needed. To. Do. Research. On. Cochlear. Implants. Because. I. Grew. Up. In. The. Deaf. Community. And. Never. Paid. Attention. To. Cochlear. Implants.

Understand?

Fact: many deaf people in the deaf community struggles with English. Way more than 15%

How do I know this? Out of my freshman class, only 4 of us made the elite English class at Gallaudet. They were going to make us to write for the school newspaper eventually. 4 out of, what, 100? I know only a handful of students made the Advanced English class and the remaining students took their basic English classes.

Brief background on my life: I instantly made friends with deaf people who had great understanding of the English language because we could communicate on a deeper level. Believe me, we've had countless conversations regarding the Deaf and their struggles with literacy. I shouldn't be saying this but I'm so sick and tired of your boyfriend's propaganda.

I worked my ass off at English even though it's my second language. You guys are beyond comprehension.

The point is I wish every deaf people could read and write English at a sastifactory level so we wouldn't have so many misunderstandings. If you think I'm ashamed of or looking down at us -- you couldn't be more wrong.

I am ending this squabble with you, GNU, because it's getting too personal and I'm starting to entertain the thought of five minutes with you in an enclosed room. I'm better than that so have a nice life not ever opening your mind to the world. I hope someday you'll wake up, son.

I'm in agreement. My own friends and I discuss this topic frequently; they add their own experiences growing up in "the system," while I add my experiences working in the deaf education field. It's a heated topic, that's for sure.

 

[gnulinuxman]

We deaf people need to work toegether but look at yourself that you dont want to work together for our Deaf children s sakes. I cannot do it alone that is the problem that are too bloody passive to work together and alot of them are like.. oh well..no one will ever listen to us anyways as you know.

I just cannot believe deaf children should be implanted. I believe it is a form of child abuse.. So be it!

Yeah, this article explains this pretty well:

Why can’t a person simply be deaf? This observation/question from my twelve-year old deserves an answer. Most of the people I interviewed are not extremists. Individuals who are members of the Deaf Community are able to communicate and become friends with members of the Hearing Community and visa versa. One deaf author comments “I understand all too well why the world of Deaf Culture may be somewhat intimidating to hearing parents. But it shouldn’t be. It improves communication, enriches lives. Like I said, it can bridge worlds together…The mistake here is having an ‘either-or’ mentality (i.e. your child will either sign, or he will speak).”14

Irene Schmalz, an oral deaf parent shares these thoughts: “It [Deaf Culture] is a matter of personal opinion and it is wonderful for those who wish to be a member.”15 The value of understanding that there is more than one way to approach deafness, lay in the ability to decipher the mindset behind all the “wonderful” advice that is frequently showered upon parents of deaf children.

SOURCE: http://www.listen-up.org/edu/options1.htm

There have been failures with CIs and those should not be ignored but there have been failures with many other things.

Of course this shouldn't be ignored.

Unfortunately, thre are a lot of parents out there that absoultely dont care much about their children 's own success. Thats so sad, is it?

See this for some answers and an analysis of the whole situation from every angle: http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=537781&postcount=31
I call this "Perfect Parent Syndrome".

Many of you ignored the serious problem ever since then.. HA and CI failure deaf children couldnt hear anything that is still teaching him with SEE that relates to a spoken language. No wonder many of us Deaf and deaf oralist are having tooo many serious problems with Reading and Writing for years and years that has not solved the problem yet.. Now you are using an excuse to have CI on Deaf chidren that has nothing to do with their learning abilities.

A quote from an article that has to do with oral failure (the quote does):

ASL originated after Thomas Hopkin Gallaudet returned from an educational sojourn in France with an experienced teacher of the deaf, Laurent Clerc. Together they founded the first U. S. "permanent school for Deaf students" in Hartford, Connecticut in 1817 (Shelly and Schneck 24). For the next fifty years or so (1817-1867), Clerc taught his manual method to teachers from deaf schools throughout the country. The method spread, and new signs continued to be added. "In 1867 every American school for the deaf taught in ASL; by 1907 not a single one did" (Dolnick 50).

This abrupt change in methodology can be attributed to the well-intentioned efforts of influential educators like Horace Mann and Samuel Gridley Howe. They discovered while traveling in Germany that German deaf students could understand and speak German, while American deaf students had no oral skills in English. Howe founded a school for the deaf using the oral method in the late 1860's. When Alexander Graham Bell became a strong advocate for the oral method, it sounded the death knell for teaching the deaf in a language that was natural for them (Shelly and Schneck 25-26). In an attempt to force deaf children to learn oral English skills, the use of sign was forbidden in the classroom. However, the majority of children could not successfully learn oral skills and continued to communicate with each other through sign.

Source: http://www.dickinson.edu/nectfl/belka.html

Ears do not think but Brain does.. Deaf children are relying on their eyes to see and their hands to communicate that helps them to gain their intellectual skills and social motor skills that I have repeated this over and over. You just dont get it. so therefore you have a very serious problem reading and ignore it or refused to see the truth that works for Deaf children..

Another quote from the same article to back this up:

Historically, deaf children were thought to be mentally retarded and were subject to humiliation and mistreatment. Trapped in a world of silence, they were often hidden away or placed in mental institutions. However, the capacity for language, i. e., the ability to communicate through a system of visual symbols, was demonstrated whenever deaf people came into contact with each other. This natural sign language created by the deaf is unrelated to signed languages created by hearing people for special circumstances. (1)

American Sign Language and Deaf Culture. As early as 1500, an Italian doctor found that the deaf could be taught to associate written words with objects. Juan Pablo Bonet of Spain published a book ca. 1620 on simplifying the alphabet and teaching "Mutes to Speak." In the late 1750's or early 1760's, a young French priest, Charles Michel de l'Epée, was concerned about the spiritual salvation of the deaf and founded a school for deaf children. Aware that they communicated through signs, he became a champion for sign language, despite criticism by his contemporaries. In the late 1770's, the first public school for the deaf was founded in Germany. Samuel Heinicke, the school's founder, disagreed with his French contemporary and taught his students to speech read and speak German (Shelly and Schneck 19-24). His work marked the beginning of the debate, continuing today, on whether deaf children should learn a manual language or be taught oral skills to facilitate integration with the speaking community.

You cannot blame on Deaf chlidren but look at yourself bragging about having a good ENGLISH while u cannot read it very well. I think it s a big joke ever since CLOGGY loves to pretend that he agreed with you , audist people. He is always twists peoples words....he should wake up and realize he does NOT know everything about ASL. Especially if he is not even a resident of America, where ASL is used.

I prefer to focus on their READING And WRITING that needs to be done forcing them to listen those devices that doesnt make them hear everything. Scoffs!

LITERACY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN JUST HAVING A ORAL SPEAKING to hear FIRST itself. Thats Deaf children s right to have the good learning process without having any interference in their education.

The reason for literacy being important is right here in this quote from the first link:

ASL is a perfect language, particularly for quick and easy communication among individuals who know the language. However, one of the drawbacks to having ASL as ones sole communication tool is that, to date, it does not have one generally accepted written form. The wonderful body of ASL literature has been passed down from one individual to the next in previous generations. Videotapes are now being used to record the wonderful visual poetry and stories shared by those who are members of Deaf Culture. Although individuals choose to remain a part of Deaf Culture, they still should have a means to access the body of literature from other cultures and times for their own edification. Without a written code to represent ASL, there is no way to transcribe the literature of other cultures into ASL aside from filming it. There is also no easy way of getting the vast body of general information available into ASL.

The other reason for learning English is one of practicality. English is the lingua franca of the land. Deaf children need to have the tools to become independent deaf adults. Some deaf children, but not all, will acquire the speech skills needed to communicate their desires within the larger society of hearing individuals. It is important to be able to clearly write if speaking is not an option. Writing and understanding English well are communication tools that will hopefully reap dividends when seeking employment as well.

 

[Cloggy]

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I just cannot believe deaf children should be implanted. I believe it is a form of child abuse.. So be it!..........

...That's your belief, from a deaf standpoint. From a hearing standpoint - mine - the opposite could be child abuse!

.................Unfortunately, thre are a lot of parents out there that absoultely dont care much about their children 's own success. Thats so sad, is it?..........

Part of a child's succes is being able to communicate. One can choose to letthat communication be ASL. Or one can choose to give the possibility to communicate not just with sign or lip-reading, on might even consider to expand it to sound/hearing..

Many of you ignored the serious problem ever since then.. HA and CI failure deaf children couldnt hear anything that is still teaching him with SEE that relates to a spoken language...........

An important misconception.. CI gives the possibility to hear. This is the opposite from your statement "couldn't hear a thing". I have read many personal experiences on this site that clearly state that they can hear with CI. Infact, they stat that they can hear better than with the HA they used previously.
But, it's very well possible that you missed these posts.

Excuse.... no this CI will help you to hear, so making it easier to understand speech and thereby write. CI expands the learning possibilities. So with this, withholding CI for children that would otherwise benefit from it would be terible. If you want children to have it easier toe learn, why would you then be opposed to CI... You are taking away possibilities!

.....So now the next thing is you are degrading on CI deaf children who failed their English written by SEE and mainstream schools.. So it doesnt change bit at all. I find this is really wacko! You are hurting Deaf children s future that has not change a bit as well...........

Failing English... Whichg group of children ae you talking about:
The group that did not have CI early in life because you don't like the idea and therefore got it when they were older OR
The group of children that got CI as soon as possible and therefore grew up with sound.
I bet the latter group is not failing English.
but this group is still small. And was it up to you, that group would stop to exist

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Thats why I am very supporting ASL that helps them to have a good reader and writer after all orally speaking or spoken language that slows them down to learn more than what u can give a little.. ..........

Teaching children English using ASL sounds to me teaching an english child German using French. Sure, it can be done.

....I have seen a lot of ASLers who can write and read very well.. So what is your point after all, they do not wear HA or CI? ..........

So have I. What's your point?

.Thats why I have no respect for some of you who are being so rude and disrespectful toward Deaf children who are very innocent that have the conformation as a hearing child while they cannot hear everything with their devices. It was/is totally unfair treatment to force them to keep away from other Deaf children or destroy Deaf schools that provide everything for them while Mainstream school doesnt have it but just having a very guttering interpreter with SEE only. Many of them are not happy as I know it so. ..........

That is sad that you were not allowed to grow up with deaf people. Some other members here have been in the same situation and grew up among hearing people. Theyy are not resentful. What happened to you?

...You cannot blame on Deaf chlidren but look at yourself bragging about having a good ENGLISH while u cannot read it very well. I think it s a big joke ever since CLOGGY loves to pretend that he agreed with you , audist people. ..........

So, if I pretend to agree with the audist people .... that means that I amd not audist. WOW. Thanks Sweety.

He is always twists peoples words....he should wake up and realize he does NOT know everything about ASL. Especially if he is not even a resident of America, where ASL is used. ..........

Eh.. I do not know everything? There's more to know? Tell me please... Ah, come on Sweetmind. Show me where I said I know everything! You know and I know that I never did. So why write it down like that... ???

Lots of ASL-love

Cloggy

 

[Cloggy]

......There are NO excuses for not learning ASL ....

So 98% of the world has no excuse not to learn ASL... WOW!!!

Call the UN!!

 

[loml]

Sweetmind

Thats why I am very supporting ASL that helps them to have a good reader and writer after all orally speaking or spoken language that slows them down to learn more than what u can give a little.. These Deaf children will receive a little .. Well, you need to have the wake up calls and change your own attitude about ASL

I am quite sure you are aware that 95% of deaf children are born to hearing parents. Providing a clear, accurate, fluent model of ASL is not an easy task for hearing parents, one imo, best left to DOD whose first language is ASL.
The parents are best at providing a clear, accurate, fluent model of their language, whether it be Hindu, Spanish or English.

The best time to learn any language is prior to six years of age, deaf or hearing. For some DOHA children, they simply may not recieve clear, accurate, fluent models of English or ASL. The result is a no complete language. What an atrocity!

I believe that language acquisition should be a painless as possible.

Inaccurate example of any language does not create literate children. If ASL from hearing parents could do this, we would not be having this discussion.

 

[SxyPorkie]

Actually I see ALOT of good points in this thread, but it seems to me you won't keep an open mind where others are coming from too, and I find it a bit odd that you said many of us are trying to destory your thread, can you please show me where? and I remember you have tried to destory more than just one thread since you have been a member here, I'm not here to put you down, but sometimes you don't look at what you're doing yourself but only to pin point the blame on others, it don't work that way hon, got to learn that it goes both ways, and beside you said this thread is only about hearing aids, why did you bring up about closed capition?...

I know you and your sister had attended to the mainstreaming school,,, you had not been involved in the Deaf Culture... I was HOH since i was baby.. as i grew up,, there were no closed captioned on tv at all,,, once in while we watched closed captioned films at school,,, i grew up in Deaf Culture... Nowadays there are better technologies for all Deafies,,, closed captioned is part of the Deaf Culture,,,, you need to be more involved in the Deaf Culture to help yourself understand,,, I know there are lots of oral or mainstreamng schools,,, lots of my friends from there were complained to me they felt left out until they met deafies and got involved now they are happier than ever,,,

Thanks,
SxyPorkie

 

[gnulinuxman]

...That's your belief, from a deaf standpoint. From a hearing standpoint - mine - the opposite could be child abuse!

A more accurate comparison (and one which I believe in) is that it's more like a parent making a hearing kid deaf because the CI is a CHANGE. That's where Sweetmind's probably coming from.

Eh.. I do not know everything? There's more to know? Tell me please... Ah, come on Sweetmind. Show me where I said I know everything! You know and I know that I never did. So why write it down like that... ???

I'm still waiting for people to show me where I said I knew everything and that oral speech is useless and that I hate being a hearing person.

 

[SxyPorkie]

Of. Course. I. Needed. To. Do. Research. On. Cochlear. Implants. Because. I. Grew. Up. In. The. Deaf. Community. And. Never. Paid. Attention. To. Cochlear. Implants.

Understand?

Fact: many deaf people in the deaf community struggles with English. Way more than 15%

How do I know this? Out of my freshman class, only 4 of us made the elite English class at Gallaudet. They were going to make us to write for the school newspaper eventually. 4 out of, what, 100? I know only a handful of students made the Advanced English class and the remaining students took their basic English classes.

Brief background on my life: I instantly made friends with deaf people who had great understanding of the English language because we could communicate on a deeper level. Believe me, we've had countless conversations regarding the Deaf and their struggles with literacy. I shouldn't be saying this but I'm so sick and tired of your boyfriend's propaganda.

I worked my ass off at English even though it's my second language. You guys are beyond comprehension.

The point is I wish every deaf people could read and write English at a sastifactory level so we wouldn't have so many misunderstandings. If you think I'm ashamed of or looking down at us -- you couldn't be more wrong.

I am ending this squabble with you, GNU, because it's getting too personal and I'm starting to entertain the thought of five minutes with you in an enclosed room. I'm better than that so have a nice life not ever opening your mind to the world. I hope someday you'll wake up, son.

I just learned that you are ORAL deaf... you said something about gallaudet university,,, in which about two hours drive from the deaf school in Virginia..
I wonder how much you had learned ASL at Gallaudet University... If you had been there for 4 yrs you should be expert with ASL,, i guess you are not...

Thanks!!!!
SxyPorkie

 

[Angel]

I know you and your sister had attended to the mainstreaming school,,, you had not been involved in the Deaf Culture... I was HOH since i was baby.. as i grew up,, there were no closed captioned on tv at all,,, once in while we watched closed captioned films at school,,, i grew up in Deaf Culture... Nowadays there are better technologies for all Deafies,,, closed captioned is part of the Deaf Culture,,,, you need to be more involved in the Deaf Culture to help yourself understand,,, I know there are lots of oral or mainstreamng schools,,, lots of my friends from there were complained to me they felt left out until they met deafies and got involved now they are happier than ever,,,

Thanks,
SxyPorkie

Just because I may attended mainstream school, it doesn't mean I don't know anything about Deaf Culture, or have not been part of it, how do you know that?