eugenics anyone?

Jiro said:
but I don't see in the list where a nurse can give medical advice to patient. for further clarification - it's medical advice as in medical consultation.
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I would call this "medical advice to a patient":

* Diagnosing, treating, and managing diseases
* Providing prescriptions and coordinating referrals
* Promoting healthy activities together with the patient


My Nurse Practitioner is my primary care physician at the VA clinic. She advises me to take the Calcium + D for my osteopenia, and she writes the prescription for it. She advises me when to get a bone scan, mammogram, and blood tests. She advises me when to see specialists and makes the referrals. She advises me about which shots I should get, and makes the orders for them.
 
Very good, Reba. You make it very clear. It's already obvious that nurses can give out medical advice to patients.
 
Reba said:
I would call this "medical advice to a patient":

* Diagnosing, treating, and managing diseases
* Providing prescriptions and coordinating referrals
* Promoting healthy activities together with the patient


My Nurse Practitioner is my primary care physician at the VA clinic. She advises me to take the Calcium + D for my osteopenia, and she writes the prescription for it. She advises me when to get a bone scan, mammogram, and blood tests. She advises me when to see specialists and makes the referrals. She advises me about which shots I should get, and makes the orders for them.
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interesting..... As far as I'm concerned - nurse cannot make diagnosis nor write prescription. Otherwise..... what's the point of being a doctor?

* Diagnosing, treating, and managing diseases - yes - to take routine check and prepare summary report before doctor comes in
* Providing prescriptions and coordinating referrals - yes - like a secretary - she/he writes down on prescription/report based on what the doctor says and then the doctor signs it off
* Promoting healthy activities together with the patient - yes - as per doctor's instruction and to give further clarification on doctor's instruction to patients.

all of these activities lift a huge amount of burden from doctors as there are many patients to see in a short time.

Now I wonder - does nurse at private hospital (or non-VA clinic) do the same duty (as listed in your post) as the nurse at VA clinic?
 
Jiro said:
interesting..... As far as I'm concerned - nurse cannot make diagnosis nor write prescription. Otherwise..... what's the point of being a doctor?
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An RN or LPN can't but an NP can make a diagnosis and can write prescriptions.

* Diagnosing, treating, and managing diseases - yes - to take routine check and prepare summary report before doctor comes in
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When seeing an NP, one doesn't see another doctor. The NP is the "doctor." The NP calls in a doctor only if additional consultation is required, same as MD's do.


* Providing prescriptions and coordinating referrals - yes - like a secretary - she/he writes down on prescription/report based on what the doctor says and then the doctor signs it off
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An NP is not a secretary. The NP determines what medicine is required, fills out the prescription, signs it, then gives it to the patient.


* Promoting healthy activities together with the patient - yes - as per doctor's instruction and to give further clarification on doctor's instruction to patients.
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Nope. As per the NP's determination of what the patient needs.


all of these activities lift a huge amount of burden from doctors as there are many patients to see in a short time.
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That's why there are more NP's. They fill the position of physician.

Now I wonder - does nurse at private hospital (or non-VA clinic) do the same duty (as listed in your post) as the nurse at VA clinic?
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Yes, they do.

You better get used to it. It will become more necessary as time goes by, and there won't be enough MD's available. There will be more NP's and PA's (Physician's Assistant) taking care of your primary health needs.
 
Reba said:
An RN or LPN can't but an NP can make a diagnosis and can write prescriptions.


When seeing an NP, one doesn't see another doctor. The NP is the "doctor." The NP calls in a doctor only if additional consultation is required, same as MD's do.



An NP is not a secretary. The NP determines what medicine is required, fills out the prescription, signs it, then gives it to the patient.



Nope. As per the NP's determination of what the patient needs.



That's why there are more NP's. They fill the position of physician.


Yes, they do.

You better get used to it. It will become more necessary as time goes by, and there won't be enough MD's available. There will be more NP's and PA's (Physician's Assistant) taking care of your primary health needs.
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ah-ha. :ty: for further clarification. Something new I learned today. Never knew about NP. I don't have problem with NP or PA treating me as long as they're legally allowed to do so. Bottom line - we both are correct about nurses. The nurses I was talking about are RN and LPN and you're talking about NP which I didn't know about.

Now that brings me to next question for webexplorer. What kind of nurse were they when webexplorer talked to them?
 
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Reba said:
It is legal for Nurse Practitioners:


Nurse practitioner (NP) Information on Healthline
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Nurse practitioners have a Ph.D. in Nursing Science. They are able to perform many duties that an RN or an LPN can't as a result of their advanced training. Generally, nurse practitioners are independent practitioners. RNs and LPNs are not. They are limited in their scope and must be under direct supervision at all times. Nor are they referred to as "nurses". Their whole title is used.

If you go back and read the posts, it is obvious that webexplorer was referring to an LPN or an RN, not a Nurse Practitioner.
 
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