DU (Depleted Uranium)--Horrendous US CASUALTIES

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"The Preventive Psychiatry Newsletter has written to its subscribers telling them that the real reason the former Veterans Affairs Secretary, Anthony Principi, recently resigned was because he has been involved in a massive scandal covering up the fact that Gulf War Syndrome was caused by the use of depleted uranium, according to the SF Bay Review.
In the article Arthur Bernklau, executive director of Veterans for Constitutional Law, reportedly wrote that 'thousands of veterans have suffered and died from, (and depleted uranium) has finally been identified as the cause of this sickness, eliminating the guessing. The terrible truth is now being revealed.' Bernklau went on to detail several alarming statistics. The historic disabilty rate amongs soldiers last century was about 5 percent, although it approached 10 percent during Vietnam. But due to the use of depleted uranium in the battlefield, 56 percent of the 580,400 soldiers that served in the first Gulf War were on Permanent Medical Disability by 2000. 11,000 Gulf Veterans are already dead. Now 518,739 , ALMOST ALL OF THEM, are currently on Medical Disability.
Principi, under the order of the Bush Administration, had been allegedly covering up the disastrous results of using depleted uranium since 2000. However, with so many soldiers having serious health problems it has been impossible to keep secret."
 
This certainly bears more investigation.

I remember during and after the Gulf War, many returning military members had "mysterious" symptoms. At the time, I was in the Reserves and on the Public Affairs staff for a Readiness Command. The story that we were provided for our command newsletter was that leishmaniasis was the cause. It seemed plausible to me that is could account for maybe a few of the cases but it didn't seem possible to account for all of them. I really expected more follow up to that but it seemed to dead end.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/leishmania/factsht_leishmania.htm

I hope they find the real answer, and provide real treatment and support for the vets.

You would think that after the Agent Orange debacle of Vietnam they would have learned their lesson about failed medical cover ups.
 
What would really help is a Real American President who takes care of business and makes sure the truth is found so that the veterans recieve real treatment.

God Bless the past, present and future veterans....
 
I feel sad for the Vets who suffered with all this kind of " symptoms ".

My big concern - the question is : Who will protect our country if, we don't have much " healthier " USA troops left ?
 
Reba said:
This certainly bears more investigation.

I remember during and after the Gulf War, many returning military members had "mysterious" symptoms. At the time, I was in the Reserves and on the Public Affairs staff for a Readiness Command. The story that we were provided for our command newsletter was that leishmaniasis was the cause. It seemed plausible to me that is could account for maybe a few of the cases but it didn't seem possible to account for all of them. I really expected more follow up to that but it seemed to dead end.

I hope they find the real answer, and provide real treatment and support for the vets.

You would think that after the Agent Orange debacle of Vietnam they would have learned their lesson about failed medical cover ups.
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Agreed. You would have thought they learned something by now.

Unfortunately, human nature being what it is...every new administration has to relearn the lessons that the previous either learned or never learned.
 
Beowulf said:
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But due to the use of depleted uranium in the battlefield, 56 percent of the 580,400 soldiers that served in the first Gulf War were on Permanent Medical Disability by 2000. 11,000 Gulf Veterans are already dead. Now 518,739 , ALMOST ALL OF THEM, are currently on Medical Disability....
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Er...while I can readily believe that DU is a serious problem and that there has been an attempt to keep this issue under wraps (for both good and bad reasons), I have a problem with the generalization that all or almost all are on disability. That alone would totally overwhelm the VA and it never was funded as necessary to begin with. You still have a bunch of these people still in the military doing their jobs (the first Gulf war wasn't that long ago).

We are talking about effects on one group and it seems that nobody mentioned any corresponding effects on the Iragi or Kuwait populations. My argument is shouldn't there be some effect on these populations to back up these assertions? It couldn't just only effected our troups and not effect the others in that arena.
 
sr171soars said:
Er...while I can readily believe that DU is a serious problem and that there has been an attempt to keep this issue under wraps (for both good and bad reasons), I have a problem with the generalization that all or almost all are on disability. That alone would totally overwhelm the VA and it never was funded as necessary to begin with. You still have a bunch of these people still in the military doing their jobs (the first Gulf war wasn't that long ago).

We are talking about effects on one group and it seems that nobody mentioned any corresponding effects on the Iragi or Kuwait populations. My argument is shouldn't there be some effect on these populations to back up these assertions? It couldn't just only effected our troups and not effect the others in that arena.
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It's unfortunate that you cannot find any real media validation to fit your frame of consciousness.
So much for the idea of the media being "liberal," they would be all over this.
If you want a fight, then you got one.
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If the The Preventive Psychiatry Newsletter says so then it MUST be true. ;)
 
Beowulf said:
It's unfortunate that you cannot find any real media validation to fit your frame of consciousness.
So much for the idea of the media being "liberal," they would be all over this.
If you want a fight, then you got one.
:)
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Er...I hear you. I just prefer one than one news source and other "background" noise (bits and pieces of info here and there...) to give credence to an assertion. As I said earlier, I can very well believe it but not the scale of which you speak. One cannot hide that no matter how good the cover is. Then again, it is also dependent on what people want to hear and believe and that is a powerful truth. News media bias can't always get through that...

Not even the "liberal" news media gets it right because it is dependent on their "worldview" as to what is important. This is the problem of the news media as a whole and both sides of the fence has failed quite miserably in the last several decades. The news is "liberal" from a mainstream standpoint but have you considered the source? When your audience is not listening, somebody needs to change the message.

*Sigh* As for wanting a fight, don't make me laugh...there is nothing to fight about.
 
Beowulf said:
So it is harmless.
Cool.
Guess I was wrong.
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Not completely no. You should read the article.

Taken into the body via metal fragments or dust-like particles, depleted uranium may pose a long-term health hazard to personnel if the amount is large. However, the amount which remains in the body depends on a number of factors, including the amount inhaled or ingested, the particle size and the ability of the particles to dissolve in body fluids.
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Of course your post leaves out the fact that DU is highly radioactive with a half-life of a couple billion years. You might giggle at the harm it does, but I am sure we are not all idiots.
Sorry about that.
 
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Beowulf said:
Of course your post leaves out the fact that DU is highly radioactive with a half-life of a couple billion years. You might giggle at the harm it does, but I am sure we are not all idiots.
Sorry about that.
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Depleted uranium is a heavy metal that is also slightly radioactive. Heavy metals (uranium, lead, tungsten, etc.) have chemical toxicity properties that, in high doses, can cause adverse health effects. Depleted uranium that remains outside the body can not harm you.
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:giggle:
 
Reiko said:
:giggle:
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To say that DU is only slightly radioactive is incorrect. It contains U236, highly radioactive, man-made particles resulting from the enrichment process, and it has a half-life of 4.5 BILLION years.
 
Depleted uranium is a heavy metal that is also slightly radioactive. Heavy metals (uranium, lead, tungsten, etc.) have chemical toxicity properties that, in high doses, can cause adverse health effects. Depleted uranium that remains outside the body can not harm you.
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A common misconception is that radiation is depleted uranium's primary hazard. This is not the case under most battlefield exposure scenarios. Depleted uranium is approximately 40 percent less radioactive than natural uranium. Depleted uranium emits alpha and beta particles, and gamma rays. Alpha particles, the primary radiation type produced by depleted uranium, are blocked by skin, while beta particles are blocked by the boots and battle dress utility uniform (BDUs) typically worn by service members. While gamma rays are a form of highly-penetrating energy , the amount of gamma radiation emitted by depleted uranium is very low. Thus, depleted uranium does not significantly add to the background radiation that we encounter every day.
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Source

Read the whole thing and you might find fuel for your hatred...
 
Yet ANOTHER link from the Department of Defense, who assured us that Agent Orange was harmless.
Try again, sweetie.
 
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