Disabled girl can be sterilised: court

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Disabled girl can be sterilised: court - Seven News Queensland

Disability groups are split over a Family Court decision to approve the sterilisation of an 11-year-old girl.

Family Court judge Paul Cronin found that the performance of a hysterectomy on the child, identified only as Angela, was "in the child's best interests".

Angela has Rett syndrome, making her profoundly disabled and unable to talk or use sign language.

The court, sitting in Brisbane, heard Angela acted in a similar way to a three-month-old baby.

She has to be fed and cared for and has no bladder control.

Since she was born, Angela - whose parents married in South America and came to Australia in 1991 - has had epileptic seizures but they are now under control through medication.

However, while the epilepsy is controlled, seizures can occur when she has a heavy menstrual period, which have been happening since she was nine years old.

The family was told by experts in March 2009 the recommended treatment would be a hysterectomy, the court heard.

But Queensland Health - acting on legal advice - said because of the irreversible nature of the procedure it could not be conducted without a court order.

Justice Cronin said in his judgment, publicly released on Tuesday, the procedure was "urgent and necessary".

"Angela is never going to have the benefits of a normal teenage and adult life," the judgment read.

"A fundamental consideration is ... the risks to Angela's life as well as her general health."

Mark Pattison, from the National Council on Intellectual Disability, said the decision - which followed a High Court ruling in 1992 - showed the system was working.

Mr Pattison said the High Court found the Family Court was the best jurisdiction to determine such matters.

"It went into a jurisdiction that has some sensitivity to family matters, and from our point of view it was a very good place to put it," Mr Pattison told AAP.

"You have an independent umpire, they consulted with the family and the obstetrician and made the best decision."

But researcher Dr Leanne Dowse, from the University of NSW, said the decision appeared to breach international human rights conventions.

"Australia became a signatory to the UN convention on the rights of persons with disabilities in July 2008," Dr Dowse told ABC Radio.

"That convention says that individuals with a disability have a right to respect for his or her physical integrity.

"That sort of idea means that the first position is to protect an individual from these sorts of things."

But Mr Pattison said the overriding human right in the case was the "dignity of the person".

He said it would not have been an easy process for the family.

"These families have been through a lot, and done all they can, and throw their hands up and say `What more can I do?'," he said.

"I think people should give them a bit of a break."

What is your thought on this particular issue? I understand why they wanted this procedure done to reduce more epilepsy episodes, and stop her from suffering.
 
I think it's kinda misleading - it seems to imply that the court approves sterilization because she's disabled when in fact, it's much than that. She has seizures and gets worse during menstruation. Sterilization would lessen those symptoms.

Since she's mentally incapable of taking care of herself and even understand her rights, it's up to parents or guardians to decide what works for her.
 
I would advocate sterilization for her health reasons; epilepsy.

Menustration worsens her seizures and sterilization lessens the seizures.
 
The trouble is it can be a slippery slope to more of sterlization of disabled persons.
 
The trouble is it can be a slippery slope to more of sterlization of disabled persons.

It can be a slippery slope but nowadays we have a better ethical approach to birth control as well as safety of each disabled person.
 
The trouble is it can be a slippery slope to more of sterlization of disabled persons.

It can be a slippery slope but nowadays we have a better ethical approach to birth control as well as safety of each disabled person.

Both good points.

I think it's just a sad situation, but the system in place to deal with it looks to be working as designed. If the parents were against the sterilization, it would not happen, and that's the important thing to note. This is a choice, not a compulsory act.
 
Wait a minute, why would epilepsy have something to do with menustration? Would that include heavy bleeding and etc from the ya-know-where? Or am I reading this the wrong way?? I'm surprised to learn of this new fact... hmm
 
Wait a minute, why would epilepsy have something to do with menustration? Would that include heavy bleeding and etc from the ya-know-where? Or am I reading this the wrong way?? I'm surprised to learn of this new fact... hmm

I think it is fluctuating hormones.
 
Bott, ohh... raging hormones can bring in the seizures that was causing the problems? If so I think I understand why if that girl's health is in jeopardy as a result of that epilepsy and the seizures threatening her life somehow, right?
 
Bott, ohh... raging hormones can bring in the seizures that was causing the problems? If so I think I understand why if that girl's health is in jeopardy as a result of that epilepsy and the seizures threatening her life somehow, right?

I believe that is correct.
 
The trouble is it can be a slippery slope to more of sterlization of disabled persons.
For sure it can be a slippery slope. I don't think there is going to be an "easy" way to do things like this.

When decisions are made for people who can't make them, whose best interests are served? the person who can't decide? Society?

I think there has to be a process in place that takes into account what has been done in the past and where we are going in the future as society becomes more advanced.

How deaf were treated 100 years ago would be considered bad by today's standards. We are going through a process that may never end.
 
It can be a slippery slope but nowadays we have a better ethical approach to birth control as well as safety of each disabled person.

It's ILLEGAL. It requires the court to approve for sterilization if it finds a GOOD reason for it.
 
It's ILLEGAL. It requires the court to approve for sterilization if it finds a GOOD reason for it.

Illegal, no.

Immoral, yes.

The Bertha story court case is a prime example of how a mentally challenged person argues the right to bear children and the right to be loved/to love back.

People with mental retardation have fundamental rights as individuals to:

-have privacy;
-love and be loved;
-develop friendships and emotional relationships;
-learn about sex, sexual exploitation, sexual abuse, safe sex and other issues regarding sexuality;
-exercise their rights and responsibilities in regard to privacy and sexual expression and the rights of others;
-marry and make informed decisions concerning having children; and
develop expressions of sexuality reflective if age, social development, cultural values and social responsibility.
source

To illustrate these concepts we discussed the story of Bertha. Bertha grew up during the 1960's and 70's in a poor, white family in the Appalachian mountains of southwest Virginia. Bertha's mother bore 10 children, of whom Bertha was the oldest girl. The mother appeared overwhelmed by this large family, and consequently Bertha took care of the 8 younger children- an experience that made her want to have children of her own.
Bertha, nearly illiterate, stumbled over reading and was held back year after year. During her teen-age years, Bertha's problems worsened. She stayed away from school more and more often. At age 15, Bertha was cute, sociable, and friendly. It was at this time, during one of her foster placements, that a foster father tried to molest her. A social worker learned about the incident and placed Bertha, briefly, in as state institution.

Bertha was intent on having children; but the social worker was afraid that if Bertha did give birth, the child would be taken away from her and felt that this would be "the worst thing in the world for her." Bertha was eventually tested at Johns Hopkins and diagnosed as "mildly retarded" with an IQ of 68 (normal range beginning at 69 or 70). At Johns Hopkins, on the basis of the diagnosis, an intrauterine device (IUD) was inserted in Bertha, without her consent. Bertha's pediatrician was "buying time" for Bertha, so that she would not become pregnant too early and have to raise children on welfare, without a father. On hearing the official explanation - that the intent was to protect her - Bertha asked, "What are you protecting me from?" When told, "You might otherwise get pregnant," she replied, "So?" She objected intensely to the own good required "protection" from childbearing.

Stories like Bertha's bring up many controversial issues. Reasons can be said for both requiring forced contraceptives and against forced contraceptives. Some of the reasons for forcing contraceptives include: other family members, harm to the mother, harm to child, harm to society, sexual abuse, and other contraceptives. Reasons against forced contraceptives would include: autonomy, provide sense of purpose, adverse psychological affects, competency, side effects, and the promotion of education.

Story from same source
 
The trouble is it can be a slippery slope to more of sterlization of disabled persons.
Yes, but there's a HUGE difference between sterilizing someone with a severe or profound issue, and someone who is disabled due to a sensory or physical disabilty.
Meaning sterillzation should be allowed and permitted, BUT it should be very strictly regulated. Heck there are a lot of nondisabled people who should be sterilized!
 
Yes, but there's a HUGE difference between sterilizing someone with a severe or profound issue, and someone who is disabled due to a sensory or physical disabilty.
Meaning sterillzation should be allowed and permitted, BUT it should be very strictly regulated. Heck there are a lot of nondisabled people who should be sterilized!

Yup:cool2:
 
Yes, but there's a HUGE difference between sterilizing someone with a severe or profound issue, and someone who is disabled due to a sensory or physical disabilty.
Meaning sterillzation should be allowed and permitted, BUT it should be very strictly regulated. Heck there are a lot of nondisabled people who should be sterilized!

I think that came out wrong. One could argue mentally ill people should be sterilized base on that statement above.

Sterilization should not be used for anything, except as a treatment to manage a life-threatening health issue.
 
Can't birth control pills make it even out???

some people are unable to take birth control pills.

My cousin had to have a total hysterectomy at 19, because she had the mental capacity of a 9 year old and will never progress. She was severely traumatized as a very young child and still has flash-backs and she is now 46. She is married, but he is more of a caretaker. He is wonderful for her and helps with everything.

She is a Vietnamese War Orphan and watched her parents get gunned down right at her feet. She was 2 when it happened and my uncle and aunt adopted her and got her when she was 5.
 
Some people, like my friend, can't really take birth control pills (or low-dose pills) if they have epilepsy because of the medications they take. edited never mind, I see about the Menstrual period is causing problems. If it will save her life, they should do it.

I'm glad they have to go to court for this, and that court is very strict on this because I wouldn't want doctors and parents freely determined who can have babies and who can't.
 
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