Dems: Texas governor should reject secession

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Perry says state doesn't want to secede but adds, 'who knows'

AUSTIN, Texas - In a state that once was its own nation, a Republican governor who talked about secession without completely dismissing the idea has Democratic lawmakers in an uproar.

Gov. Rick Perry, in comments following an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday, never did advocate Texas breaking away from the United States but suggested that Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to leave the union. That was enough to feed opinions for and against secession on Web sites, cable TV and talk radio across the nation.

At the Texas Capitol on Thursday, Rep. Jim Dunnam of Waco, joined by several fellow Texas House Democrats, said some people associate talk of secession with racial division and the Civil War and that Perry should disavow any notion of seceding.

"Talk of secession is an attack on our country. It can be nothing else. It is the ultimate anti-American statement," Dunnam said at a news conference.

State Sen. Rodney Ellis, a Houston Democrat, said that by not rejecting the possibility of secession out of hand, Perry "is taking a step down a very dangerous and divisive path encouraged by the fringe of Texas politics."

The Democrats are proposing a House resolution expressing "complete and total disagreement with any fringe element advocating the 'secession' of Texas or any other state from our one and indivisible Union."

Perry emphasized Thursday that he is not advocating secession but understands why Americans may have those feelings because of frustration with Washington, D.C. He said it's fine to express the thought. He offered no apology and did not back away from his earlier comments.

Perry's remarks Wednesday were in response to a question from The Associated Press as he walked away from the Austin rally, where some in the audience had shouted "Secede!" during his speech. The governor said he didn't think Texas should secede despite some chatter about it on the Internet and his name being associated with the idea.

"We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot," Perry said Wednesday.

A day later, Perry said he found the fascination with the remark interesting.

"I refer people back to my statement and I got a charge out of it," he said. "I was kind of thinking that maybe the same people that hadn't been reading the Constitution right were reading that article and they got the wrong impression about what I said. Clearly I stated that we have a great union. Texas is part of a great union. And I see no reason for that to change."

Texas was a republic from 1836, when it declared independence from Mexico, to 1845, when it became a U.S. state.

Perry has been speaking out against the federal government lately over federal economic stimulus spending. He's also in a tough race for re-election against a fellow Republican, U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, whom he is trying to portray as a Washington insider.

Perry spokeswoman Allison Castle criticized Dunnam, saying he was "trying to distract from the fact that yesterday thousands of Texans, including many in his own district, expressed their extreme displeasure at Washington's rampant taxation, big spending and bloated government."

Dunnam suggested Perry is positioning himself for his political future.

"We all knew he wanted to be president. I just didn't know it was president of the Republic of Texas," he said to chuckles from onlookers.

Dems: Texas governor should reject secession

:shock: Doesn't look good.
 
It's not good but Obama need seriously consider about tax issue and need achieve on tax reform that Americans could understand so better, however some right wing organization, such as AFA are enjoy to brainwash the conservative Americans.

I don't want Texas to be secede from union but would be more risky due civil war and unstable political, it could cause an resource issue since Texas is largest state to supply the gasoline to southeast and midwest states, it could make gas price so expensive if war is happen due interrupt of gas supply but it would safe if congress or president declare military to conquer the state capitol to prevent the secession or something without make any huge damage.
 
Texas Threatens Secession

Here's the source for this info: What's All That Secession Ruckus in Texas? - TIME

was the shout-out heard around the world: Texas' Republican Gov. Rick Perry's praise for his state's tea party protestors, accompanied by not-so-veiled references to a potential Lone Star State secession. The remarks prompted glaring red website headlines and instant fodder for cable TV pundits. But for Texas political insiders, Perry's waving of the flag of secession was just the latest volley in a Texas-sized Republican civil war — a face-off between Perry and his potential rival for the 2010 Republican gubernatorial nomination, U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison. (See pictures of tea party tax protests across the country.)


Most observers in Texas believe Hutchison will indeed challenge Perry. She has moved from being coy about her plans to being less coy about running for governor. Still, there has been no official annoucement. And so Perry has embarked on a Pavlovian political exercise: you say "Hutchison" and he says "Washington." Some Perry backers have even dubbed the 16-year senate veteran "Kay Bailout Hutchison." (See pictures of the richest little county in Texas — and the United States.)

This week's tea parties afforded the governor an opportunity to tap into the Texas spirit of independence, a surefire crowd-pleaser in the reddest of red states, one with a profound sense of its own identity, independent history and anti-Washington sentiment. "Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression," Perry told roaring tea party crowds in Austin and Fort Worth, quoting Sam Houston, Texas' founding father. (See pictures from a post-Dubya Crawford, Texas.)

Dressed in jeans, boots and a baseball cap with a camouflage peak and a hunting outfitter's logo, the Texas governor was one of the few major politicians to appear at the tea parties across the country. While crowds yelled "SECEDE, SECEDE," Perry, 60 but telegenic and youthful, thought out loud that secession might be the outcome if Washington did not mend its "oppressive" high-spending, dictatorial ways. (Most experts suggest the notion that Texas can legally secede is mistaken, but the state does have the right to split into five states, offering the prospect of 10 U.S. senators, math that would send cold shivers down any Democratic back.)

After the rallies, Perry downplayed his secession comments, amending them ] in an interview with the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, to say: "I'm trying to make the Obama Administration pay attention to the Tenth Amendment." The so-called Tenth Amendment Movement, asserting the rights of the states to claim all powers not granted specifically to the federal government, has been grist for conservatives for more than a decade. The movement got a boost following the Democratic return to dominance in Congress and more traction when federal dictates about how to spend stimulus money raised hackles in places like Texas and South Carolina. Some two dozen state legislatures are considering or have passed resolutions supporting the Tenth Amendment.

Is the governor's strategy working? While Perry was whipping up the tea party crowds, Senator Hutchison was in Houston touting her work in Washington and her support for the federal deductability of state sales taxes. "The senator is on the front lines in working against the Obama Administration and their unnecessary spending," her spokesman said. It was weak tea compared to Perry's red rhetoric. Straggling the Washington-Texas divide has been difficult for Hutchison. While Perry has been outspoken in rejecting federal unemployment funds, saying it would result in increased premiums for Texas employers, Senator Hutchison has been criticized for a less than clear response on the issue. She voted against the stimulus bill, then said Perry should find a way to take the benefits without burdening employers in the future.

Nevertheless, one longtime Republican analyst and numbers cruncher, Royal Masset, believes Hutchison will defeat Perry and will be the next governor of Texas. Polls suggest she has an early lead, and Masset points to her overwhelming victories in the past as evidence of her wide support, not only among Republicans, but also independents who can vote in Texas primaries. He has urged Perry to forgo another gubernatorial bid. Masset believes that Perry should be content with one major accomplishment: helping to create more jobs in Texas than the rest of the U.S. during his tenure. "Your place in history is secure," Masset wrote in a recent analysis piece for the Quorum Report, the insider political newsletter that circulates out of the Texas state capital, Austin. "You would be freed up to do great things on the national scene where real power is now held by media stars such as you."

It is not likely to be advice Perry will heed. He is already the longest serving governor in Texas history — as lieutenant governor he took over for President-elect George W. Bush in December, 2000. That has given him unparalleled influence over state government where much of the governor's power resides in appointments to boards and commissions. Masset believes that more of that kind of centralization of power "will lead to Washington style corruption. We need new people with new ideas. We need new appointees and new blood."

All this talk of front lines and "oppressive Washington," states rights and cries of "Texas not Taxes" ironically comes as Texans get ready to commemorate on April 21 the Battle of San Jacinto, the decisive battle of the Texas fight for independence from Mexico. It is also the day legislative hearings will be held in Austin on Texas' Tenth Amendment resolution — so far about half the members of the House of Representatives have signed on as co-sponsors of the measure that affirms Texas sovreignty under the Tenth Amendment and serves notice to the federal government "to cease and deist certain mandates." Meanwhile, Texas House Democratic Leader Jim Dunnam introduced his own counter-resolution Thursday, disagreeing with "any fringe element advocating the 'secession' of Texas" and adding that Perry's remarks were anti-American. Perry down-played the brouhaha, telling reporters: "This is America, baby — the First Amendment, we like that too."
 
I think the governor of Texas just blew his chances of getting re-elected.
 
I think the governor of Texas just blew his chances of getting re-elected.

Well, There's majority of conservative Americans in Texas and would make harder for democrat governor to win.
 
Well, There's majority of conservative Americans in Texas and would make harder for democrat governor to win.

Actually, both Republicans and Democrats didn't like what he had to say. The governor already made a traitor out of himself. Any supporters of the secession of a state is seen as a traitor to the nation.
 
Actually, both Republicans and Democrats didn't like what he had to say. The governor already made a traitor out of himself. Any supporters of the secession of a state is seen as a traitor to the nation.

Oh yup, if Texas declare to secede then would be other civil war?

I don't understand about 10th Amendment under US constitution, it has related with secession?
 
Mmm I mentioned something similar in my "nationwide 'tea party' protest obama's bailout policy" thread in the war and political news section. Perhaps your or my thread could be merged?
 
Oh yup, if Texas declare to secede then would be other civil war?

I don't understand about 10th Amendment under US constitution, it has related with secession?

Yep. That's how the Civil war started.
 
Texas secede from the United States? Sounds a big challenge for Texas...
 
Actually, both Republicans and Democrats didn't like what he had to say. The governor already made a traitor out of himself. Any supporters of the secession of a state is seen as a traitor to the nation.

I think the following blog supports what you said. CNN is the source. The majority of the commentaries below the blog don't seem to be very supportive of Perry.

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

(CNN) – Texas Gov. Rick Perry is dialing back his earlier remark that seemed to suggest he was open to secession, telling reporters Thursday his state is "part of a great union."

"I was kinda thinking that, maybe the same people who hadn't been reading the constitution right were reading that article and they got the wrong impression about what I said," he told reporters as in the Texas State House.

"Clearly, I stated that we have a great union. And Texas is part of a great union. I see no reason for that to change. I think that may not be the exact quote, but that is, in essence what I said," he added.

Perry's original comments on the matter came Wednesday at a "Tea Party" even in Austin, when he railed against the federal government for what he said were infringements of states' rights and repeated violations of the 10th amendment of the Constitution — the provision that establishes Federalism. (Video below: Perry fires up 'Tea Party' crowd)

"There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said Wednesday as crowd members shouted calls for secession. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that."

In clarifying his remarks Thursday, Perry also said he has "never been prouder of Texans" for standing up to Washington, DC.

"I think you will see more and more this type of response to a government that is rather unresponsive to the people of this country and Texas was right at the forefront of that yesterday," he said.

Meanwhile, Texas Democrats have sharply criticized Perry's original comment, calling it an "attack on our country."

"It is the ultimate anti-American statement," State Rep. Jim Dunnam of Waco told reporters Thursday.

Perry's original comments on the matter came Wednesday at a "Tea Party" even in Austin, when he railed against the federal government for what he said were infringements of states' rights and repeated violations of the 10th amendment of the Constitution — the provision that establishes Federalism. (Video below: Perry fires up 'Tea Party' crowd)

"There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said Wednesday as crowd members shouted calls for secession. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that."

In clarifying his remarks Thursday, Perry also said he has "never been prouder of Texans" for standing up to Washington, DC.

"I think you will see more and more this type of response to a government that is rather unresponsive to the people of this country and Texas was right at the forefront of that yesterday," he said.

Meanwhile, Texas Democrats have sharply criticized Perry's original comment, calling it an "attack on our country."

"It is the ultimate anti-American statement," State Rep. Jim Dunnam of Waco told reporters Thursday.
 
Oh yup, if Texas declare to secede then would be other civil war?

I don't understand about 10th Amendment under US constitution, it has related with secession?

There is no way the USA will let a state secede from the union. That's how the civil war started.

Legally, they can secede but not without a fight.
 
Secessionists are usually crybabies that are upset with Obama. That movement draws in the hardcore racists and people opposed to any form of social programs and taxation.

Where were these people when Bush was in office? How come we never had any tea parties when the Patriot Act passed?
 
Well, there are lot of rallies for tea party around my town.

Funny, no one mention me in this thread.
 
Secessionists are usually crybabies that are upset with Obama. That movement draws in the hardcore racists and people opposed to any form of social programs and taxation.

Naw, not hardcore racists, that's how we do it, Yankee. :lol:

Where were these people when Bush was in office? How come we never had any tea parties when the Patriot Act passed?

How come YOU didn't start it?
 
It'll never happen.

Texas is too dependent on the rest of the country.

Oh, so, you have been to Texas? How did you know that Texas is too dependent on the rest of the country?

We have oil fields and offshore, Lockheed Martin Co., NASA, coast, Fort Hood, and bigger than the size of France.
 
Hell, they believe in cowboy diplomacy that's starting to piss the world over! (ie Bush's easy war declarations, highest capital punishment rate, fraction of a gallon size brain to fit a 12 gallon size hat, only state that can divide up into 4 states - certain areas have threatened to do so, women that will actually run you over - while you are looking, etc) Let 'em feel what it's like to be a third world country.
 
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