Deafblind girl refuses to go to school after teachers BAN guide dog from dining hall

[jillio]

I dont think the girl should have been forced in a separate room and eat alone. Why not have some of her friends go in that other room and eat with her if the other student's allergies are so severe?

Forcing her to eat alone just because one student claims to have an allergy is cruel.

 

[CSign]

So, you have no interest in learning to see things from a deaf perspective. Continue on with your audism. Just don't act all offended when you get called on it. It is your choice to continue.

Oh Jillio.

I don't define what a "service" is.

I'll ask you nicely one time to please refrain from linking me with Audism. It's preposterous and inflammatory. in advance.

 

[deafdyke]

Who is we?

The school needs to find a way to accommodate this students needs allowing her to feel secure. They need to find a solution that serves both the students. That's all I'm saying. This student is deaf and blind- I understand her hesitancy.

Csign, you're missing that she could use a cane in this sitution. The ONLY reason she doesn't want to use a cane is b/c it's not fashionable. It's just for 30 freaking mintues! Yes, I support the option of blind/low vision people using Seeing Eye dogs. But there's no reason why she can't use a cane for those 30 mintues.

 

[dereksbicycles]

I'm wondering why she would be embarrassed to be seen with a cane. I know if I was blind, I would not know. I would not see what anyone thinks of me with a cane.

Just like if I was deaf, I would not know what others are saying behind me. I would not hear them.

 

[Buffalo]

I'm wondering why she would be embarrassed to be seen with a cane. I know if I was blind, I would not know. I would not see what anyone thinks of me with a cane.

Just like if I was deaf, I would not know what others are saying behind me. I would not hear them.

Read the article again. She lost her sight at 14 so she knows how one with cane looks like. She is teenager so she is very fashion conscience. If she was born blind, she won't care what others think of her cane. Simple.

 

[dogmom]

I've read this and thought about it and it seems like there could be various ways to accommodate both students if people took the time, thought creatively - maybe even discussed with each student some ideas how they could work to accommodate each other? Especially as an exercise in teamwork and self-advocacy skills? I wonder about some parental or district agenda that favors the student with the alleged severe allergies - which if true could be a "lawsuit mentality" perception if anything happened with this student - vs. the rights of the student who is deafblind. The latter could be perceived as the "more difficult" accommodation by ignorant people and therefore to make it "easier" for themselves, the solution favored the other child. But - don't know.

I happen to have allergies and have had various reactions. My doc, and I have discussed things like Epi pens though I currently don't need to carry one.
My understanding is that even with one, if used you still have to go to E.R. for further treatment, and get a whole new one because I<thought> if activated you had to use the whole thing.

For me, if in such a situation as above story, I'd try to find a way for us to work together so we each retain our needs.

 

[CSign]

I've read this and thought about it and it seems like there could be various ways to accommodate both students if people took the time, thought creatively - maybe even discussed with each student some ideas how they could work to accommodate each other? Especially as an exercise in teamwork and self-advocacy skills? I wonder about some parental or district agenda that favors the student with the alleged severe allergies - which if true could be a "lawsuit mentality" perception if anything happened with this student - vs. the rights of the student who is deafblind. The latter could be perceived as the "more difficult" accommodation by ignorant people and therefore to make it "easier" for themselves, the solution favored the other child. But - don't know.

I happen to have allergies and have had various reactions. My doc, and I have discussed things like Epi pens though I currently don't need to carry one.
My understanding is that even with one, if used you still have to go to E.R. for
further treatment, and get a whole new one because I<thought> if activated
you had to use the whole thing.

For me, if in such a situation as above story, I'd try to find a way for us to
work together so we each retain our needs.

 

[jillio]

Oh Jillio.

I don't define what a "service" is.

I'll ask you nicely one time to please refrain from linking me with Audism. It's preposterous and inflammatory. in advance.

I don't link you with audism. You manage to do that all by yourself.

See, there. Just keep insisting that you are right and are not audist, despite the fact that the deaf have told you in more than one thread, in many posts, that your comparison of a dog and a terp is offensive. But we are all wrong, and you are the only one that is right. Yep, you manage to confirm your audism at every twist and turn. Stop spending so much time trying to justify your audist remarks and attitudes, and spend some time trying to understand and change them. Yeah, right....that's gonna happen. smh

 

[jillio]

I've read this and thought about it and it seems like there could be various ways to accommodate both students if people took the time, thought creatively - maybe even discussed with each student some ideas how they could work to accommodate each other? Especially as an exercise in teamwork and self-advocacy skills? I wonder about some parental or district agenda that favors the student with the alleged severe allergies - which if true could be a "lawsuit mentality" perception if anything happened with this student - vs. the rights of the student who is deafblind. The latter could be perceived as the "more difficult" accommodation by ignorant people and therefore to make it "easier" for themselves, the solution favored the other child. But - don't know.

I happen to have allergies and have had various reactions. My doc, and I have discussed things like Epi pens though I currently don't need to carry one.
My understanding is that even with one, if used you still have to go to E.R. for further treatment, and get a whole new one because I<thought> if activated you had to use the whole thing.

For me, if in such a situation as above story, I'd try to find a way for us to work together so we each retain our needs.

The only allergic reactions that are that severe and require the treatment you are describing are those that come from ingested substances...such as a food allergy, or a medication allergy such as penicillin. These are the allergies that cause anaphylaxis and are life threatening. Allergies to pet danders and such are respiratory allergies and generally do not require epinephrine treatment via epi pens or at the ER. Even those that cause asthma like symptoms are treated with corticosteroid rescue inhalers, not epi pens.

I think, as has been suggested, that there is much more to this story than what is actually being told. Solutions are too easy to come up with for a child to have to refuse to go to school as a result of one child complaining of an allergy.

 

[CSign]

"*
What Is Audism: Introduction
Audism (from the Latin audire, to hear, and -ism, a system of practice, behavior, belief, or attitude) has been variously defined as:
"The notion that one is superior based on one's ability to hear or to behave in*the manner of one who hears." Tom Humphries,*Communicating across cultures (deaf-hearing) and language learning. (Doctoral dissertation. Cincinnati, OH: Union Institute and University,1977), p.12. If you are off campus, you will need to log on to access this dissertation."

Audism -

 

[jillio]

"*
What Is Audism: Introduction
Audism (from the Latin audire, to hear, and -ism, a system of practice, behavior, belief, or attitude) has been variously defined as:
"The notion that one is superior based on one's ability to hear or to behave in*the manner of one who hears." Tom Humphries,*Communicating across cultures (deaf-hearing) and language learning. (Doctoral dissertation. Cincinnati, OH: Union Institute and University,1977), p.12. If you are off campus, you will need to log on to access this dissertation."

Audism -

If you have to copy and paste it is an indication that you do not comprehend and cannot apply the concept. Exactly what many of us have attempted to tell you all along. You cannot define it, and you cannot apply it. That is why you are still able to believe that you do not come at things from an audist perspective.

And, as I have told you numerous times, copying and pasting from an abstract is useless to support your position.

But, as has been demonstrated numerous times, you have no interest in actually learning about covert audism and the ways in which it influences and impacts all of society. Your only interest is in attempting to defend your audist perspectives as not being audist. Oh, well. Have at it. But don't be surprised or offended when your own audism is pointed out to you.

 

[Dixie]

Why not have the students eat lunch a different periods? This way the DB student is still allowed to use her service dog and eat lunch with her friends, as well as the student with the allergies to be at peace?

Most schools have split lunch periods for each class so that everyone has time to get their lunch and eat it without having to rush, and the cook staff isn't overwhelmed at the same time.

If class schedules can be arranged so that the two students never share the same classroom, then I am sure their lunch breaks can also be arranged as such.

 

[deafdyke]

aren't there other deaf-blind kids there? The thing is......yes, she's late blind...and I think most guide dog folks are late blind. ....but for crying out loud why limit yourself to ONE accomodnaton. It's not like a cane is a giant body worn hearing aid or something.....and you know what? A DOG calls more attention to someone then a cane.

 

[Dixie]

aren't there other deaf-blind kids there? The thing is......yes, she's late blind...and I think most guide dog folks are late blind. ....but for crying out loud why limit yourself to ONE accomodnaton. It's not like a cane is a giant body worn hearing aid or something.....and you know what? A DOG calls more attention to someone then a cane.

It's based upon what she is more comfortable with.

Think of your shoes. You put them on. You wear them without much thought. They become an extension of you. Now, they are an 'accommodation' because they aid us in walking on various surfaces, some of which might be painful to walk on without shoes.

Each of us prefers a certain kind of shoe based upon how comfortable we are in them. Some of us like big roomy boots, some of us like more glitzy stylized shoes, both serve the purpose.

Now what if you were used to wearing one kind of shoe but then out of nowhere you were forced to wear another kind of shoe you weren't comfortable with because someone else has decided that your shoes affect their health?

What if you were forced to exchange your comfortable Converse All-Stars for stiff high-heel pumps, all because it was said your Converse All-Stars pose potential health hazard to exactly one other person where you go to school at?

Your two options are to either go barefoot (might be uncomfortable, maybe even dangerous) or wear those god-awful stiff high heel pumps?

You would be having a fit, demanding that other options be made available such as setting up your schedule such as that you would never come in contact with this one person. Then you would be told to 'get over it' and 'quit being a drama queen'.

Same concept.

 

[deafdyke]

and before anyone attacks my comment, as I know I will be attacked....this is the equlivant of a deaf kid who might use their residual hearing part time absolutly positively refusing to use their hearing aid/CI b/c of cosmetic issues........

 

[Dixie]

and before anyone attacks my comment, as I know I will be attacked....this is the equlivant of a deaf kid who might use their residual hearing part time absolutly positively refusing to use their hearing aid/CI b/c of cosmetic issues........

That happens if the child is FORCED to wear it and it is used as a threat to embarrass the child - as I was.

 

[Lily7]

It's based upon what she is more comfortable with.

Think of your shoes. You put them on. You wear them without much thought. They become an extension of you. Now, they are an 'accommodation' because they aid us in walking on various surfaces, some of which might be painful to walk on without shoes.

Each of us prefers a certain kind of shoe based upon how comfortable we are in them. Some of us like big roomy boots, some of us like more glitzy stylized shoes, both serve the purpose.

Now what if you were used to wearing one kind of shoe but then out of nowhere you were forced to wear another kind of shoe you weren't comfortable with because someone else has decided that your shoes affect their health?

What if you were forced to exchange your comfortable Converse All-Stars for stiff high-heel pumps, all because it was said your Converse All-Stars pose potential health hazard to exactly one other person where you go to school at?

Your two options are to either go barefoot (might be uncomfortable, maybe even dangerous) or wear those god-awful stiff high heel pumps?

You would be having a fit, demanding that other options be made available such as setting up your schedule such as that you would never come in contact with this one person. Then you would be told to 'get over it' and 'quit being a drama queen'.

Same concept.

Um, actually, I would just wear the damned pumps for 30 minutes a day if that's what it took to accommodate a fellow student when the school tried everything else. I certainly wouldn't have a panic attack, cry, shake, and not be able to sleep at night then not return to school over having done it one time, either.

 

[Dixie]

Um, actually, I would just wear the damned pumps for 30 minutes a day if that's what it took to accommodate a fellow student when the school tried everything else. I certainly wouldn't have a panic attack, cry, shake, and not be able to sleep at night then not return to school over having done it one time, either.

Ok, I will hold you to that...

 

[Audiofuzzy]

A deaf and blind teenager is refusing to go to school after teachers banned her guide dog from the dining hall.

From another angle - but isn't it illegal to refuse guide dogs anywhere?
I thought they have special status.

Fuzzy

 

[jillio]

From another angle - but isn't it illegal to refuse guide dogs anywhere?
I thought they have special status.

Fuzzy

This case is not in the States.