deaf 2 years old kids wear CI

[rick48]

Well, tell that to the researchers from the United States, the UK, and Sweden. Quite frankly, their cummulative and consistent findings carries far more weight than your singular opinion with no foundation of expertise or experience at all.

My beef is not with the researchers but with you and the bias you bring to that research. BTW I have far more experience with cochlear implanted children then you will ever have. Almost 20 years of daily experience and counting. As for expertise, that is purely a subjective determination but from your posts and rants over the last few years, I know you have none.

I have raised a cochlear implanted child from infancy to the bring of college graduation, have you?

 

[jillio]

My beef is not with the researchers but with you and the bias you bring to that research. BTW I have far more experience with cochlear implanted children then you will ever have. Almost 20 years of daily experience and counting. As for expertise, that is purely a subjective determination but from your posts and rants over the last few years, I know you have none.

I have raised a cochlear implanted child from infancy to the bring of college graduation, have you?

I simply report the findings. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with the researchers.

You have dealt with one CI using child. I have dealt with, and continue to deal with on a daily basis, numerous CI using children and young adults. That is your problem. You are locked in your singular little box, and assume that just because you believe it is one way in your world, it is that way in everyone's world. How ego centric of you.

 

[rick48]

Well, now...aren't you the hypocritical one to be talking about intolerance? Especially when the only time you bother to frequent this board is when someone has notified you that an "anti-CI" poster is active, and then you join the pack to get your little bite in.

I show respect to those that have a grasp of what the concept entails.

Sorry, if unlike you, I have a life away from this board but at least be honest with us, you only tolerate those who agree with you.

No, I do not post that often but when I see someone post an ignorant post about cochlear implants and wishes to deny them to others because that is not the choice she made, then you got it honey, I will post and continue to do so and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

 

[jillio]

Sorry, if unlike you, I have a life away from this board but at least be honest with us, you only tolerate those who agree with you.

No, I do not post that often but when I see someone post an ignorant post about cochlear implants and wishes to deny them to others because that is not the choice she made, then you got it honey, I will post and continue to do so and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

You don't post until you see an opportunity to become a part of your little gang and are assured that you will have ready back up available. Youreally aren't worth the time and trouble of a response. Your reputation precedes you where AD members are concerned. You are now going on ignore, and I will join the numerous others that have done so already.

 

[Cheri]

You don't post until you see an opportunity to become a part of your little gang and are assured that you will have ready back up available. Youreally aren't worth the time and trouble of a response. Your reputation precedes you where AD members are concerned. You are now going on ignore, and I will join the numerous others that have done so already.

Who are you speaking for? If you're speaking for every AD members, then don't, because I don't need you to speak for me.

 

[Jiro]

Sorry, if unlike you, I have a life away from this board but at least be honest with us, you only tolerate those who agree with you.

No, I do not post that often but when I see someone post an ignorant post about cochlear implants and wishes to deny them to others because that is not the choice she made, then you got it honey, I will post and continue to do so and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

and your point is.............? Then why are you wasting your time here if you have a "so-called" life away from this board? It pisses me off whenever an ass-twat pulls out "i-have-a-life" card on any forum whenever his/her base is becoming unfounded.

oh those people...... they never learn.... either get out of the burning forest or fight the fire :roll:

 

[jillio]

Who are you speaking for? If you're speaking for every AD members, then don't, because I don't need you to speak for me.

Nor would I ever choose to speak for you, Cheri.:roll:

 

[doubletrouble]

Deaf kids who go to hearing schools end up with social and emotional problems because of the communication issues and barriers. If you place them in a deaf school where the same communication issues and barriers exist, you haven't solved a danged thing. Change of environment isn't the solution unless that environment includes facilliation of communication. Likewise, social and emotional problems are created in the home, as well, when parents refuse to accommodate a deaf child's communication needs.

That's a BIG generalization on your part

 

[Oddball]

Amazing!

Parents who have made reasoned and intelligent choices for their children, who have decided what is in the best interests of their children should have those choices taken away, children who have benefited from cochlear implants should have them denied to them, children who can communicate orally should no longer do so all so your child can have someone to play with!

As a parent who has a child with a cochlear implant, yes indeed I do take offense at the ignorance and selfishness of your attitude.

Your idiocy never cease to amaze me. Parents just look for easy fix for their Deaf children by implanting them. What about their choices and decisions whether if they want ci or not? Do you really think CI can solve the problems? I highly don't think so.

:roll:

 

[jillio]

That's a BIG generalization on your part

It isn't a generalization on my part. It is the findings of Bat-Chava, Martin, & Kosciw (2005), Nunes, Pretzlik, and Olsson (2003), and Preisler, Tingstedt, and Ahlstrom (2002).

 

[shel90]

That's a BIG generalization on your part

We just got two new students last month from the mainstreamed programs...they fall under the generalization that Jillo described. Last week, I spent an extra hour finding lessons and activities to meet one of their needs'. As usual, it seems like around 4th grade is when the parents or someone recognizes that the mainstreaming programs are not meeting their children's needs and sends them to the Deaf school. It never ceases to amaze me with the knowledge and education that is out there, this problem is still happening.

 

[shel90]

and your point is.............? Then why are you wasting your time here if you have a "so-called" life away from this board? It pisses me off whenever an ass-twat pulls out "i-have-a-life" card on any forum whenever his/her base is becoming unfounded.

oh those people...... they never learn.... either get out of the burning forest or fight the fire :roll:

 

[C-NICE]

Just A Thought

We all have different feeling about CI's and Children(some very strong),but in a way the debate misses the point. Ever child and every situation is different and the main goal of any approach is to give the child the best chance at useful comminication. There is not a one size fits all solution.
Ci's are not cures just tools and it has always been true that the most powerful communication device is between the ears.

 

[faire_jour]

Your idiocy never cease to amaze me. Parents just look for easy fix for their Deaf children by implanting them. What about their choices and decisions whether if they want ci or not? Do you really think CI can solve the problems? I highly don't think so.

:roll:

How dare you say that I was looking for an "easy fix"! Do you have a Deaf child? Do you have an idea the hours of reading, researching, and praying that went into the decision to get a CI for my child, or any other parents? It is a process full of tears and self doubt, but in the end, so is all of parenting. I did not try to make my child hearing, and I doubt you could find one person on this parent who has spoken to me to 5 minutes who would agree with that. You have no idea what parents like me are like.

 

[jillio]

How dare you say that I was looking for an "easy fix"! Do you have a Deaf child? Do you have an idea the hours of reading, researching, and praying that went into the decision to get a CI for my child, or any other parents? It is a process full of tears and self doubt, but in the end, so is all of parenting. I did not try to make my child hearing, and I doubt you could find one person on this parent who has spoken to me to 5 minutes who would agree with that. You have no idea what parents like me are like.

There you go again, jumping before you look. Oddball's replywas directed at rick48, not you. You really do need to stop taking every post as a personal insult to you.

 

[shel90]

How dare you say that I was looking for an "easy fix"! Do you have a Deaf child? Do you have an idea the hours of reading, researching, and praying that went into the decision to get a CI for my child, or any other parents? It is a process full of tears and self doubt, but in the end, so is all of parenting. I did not try to make my child hearing, and I doubt you could find one person on this parent who has spoken to me to 5 minutes who would agree with that. You have no idea what parents like me are like.

I have met parents like the ones Oddball described. In fact, I am dealing with a situation like that now with one parent. Maybe Oddball should have said "Parents like you.." when directing at Rick48 but I think that was what Oddball meant.

 

[faire_jour]

Your idiocy never cease to amaze me. Parents just look for easy fix for their Deaf children by implanting them. What about their choices and decisions whether if they want ci or not? Do you really think CI can solve the problems? I highly don't think so.

:roll:

Yes Jillio, The first sentence was directed at Rick but then she says the bolded portion. Parents, not Rick. I was responding to that.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Who are you speaking for? If you're speaking for every AD members, then don't, because I don't need you to speak for me.

She speaks for me and several others. What she said is right on about him. He has already decided to judge me based on a few posts he has seen of mine. In his mind, I'm anti CI. (I'm not). In his mind, if you don't think each and every deaf child should be implanted, then you're anti CI.

That's an extreme viewpoint and something I have difficulty dealing with, so I put him on ignore a long time ago.

 

[jillio]

Yess Jillio, The first sentence was directed at Rick but then he says the bolded portion. Parents, not Rick. I was responding to that.

Please read Shel's post.

 

[faire_jour]

I have met parents like the ones Oddball described. In fact, I am dealing with a situation like that now with one parent. Maybe Oddball should have said "Parents like you.." when directing at Rick48 but I think that was what Oddball meant.

Even at that, it worked for Rick, why should people rail against him? What he did worked for his child, why does that make him bad?

Yes, I disagree with him on many things, but implanting his child was the right choice. Why should Oddball judge him for that? (and don't say because it goes back years...)