deaf 2 years old kids wear CI

[jillio]

Yea, fluency in ASL and understanding of the views of the Deaf community definitely made a big difference. If this was 15 years ago, I probably would have read it like those who arent fluent in ASL. Who knows.

That's why it is important for many of us to ask for clarification before jumping the gun on each other.

Agreed. If people had of been a little more sensitive to linguistic differences, and asked for clarification, we could have saved about 6 pages here.:roll:

 

[faire_jour]

What part of my answer, twice repeated, do you not understand, faire jour? What the heck do you think that "consistently negative effects" means? Just because you aren't getting the "no" that would make you happy, doesn't mean that the question hasn't been answered.

So the answer is yes? I have no idea why you won't simply say yes or no. Wouldn't it be easier?
"Consistently negative results" could mean many do, most do, or even some do. It in no way means all.

 

[Cheri]

She should have asked first for clarification instead of jumping the gun. Like I have said before, misunderstandings happen here on AD too many times.

How would you feel if someone typed, "I hate the deaf, I wish there was no deaf people around". Tell me it wouldn't offended you? BS. it would. I don't believe you would ask for clarification, You'll jump the gun, it's natural for people to do that.

That's why that is a BIG problem btw the hearing and Deaf communities even out there..

Vallee is deaf with a cochlear implant.

 

[jillio]

Consistently negative effect in summary means, "yes or at least a majority of them do. "

See. I knew that the answer was there!

Every child in the studies I reviewed suffered negative effects, and those effects were equal across 3 different cultures and age groups.

 

[shel90]

Agreed. If people had of been a little more sensitive to linguistic differences, and asked for clarification, we could have saved about 6 pages here.:roll:

Ooopss..better stop wasting more pages so ...that brings this question..if the demands of more oralim become rampant in all deaf ed programs and the administrators give in to those demands, what happens to those deaf children who strongly rely on ASL for their learning and development progress? With the government how it is, support services for them could be cut due to the small number and the misguided views of CIs and oralism can adversly hurt so many deaf children like it did in the past when AGBell and the Milan Conference did.

 

[jillio]

So the answer is yes? I have no idea why you won't simply say yes or no. Wouldn't it be easier?
"Consistently negative results" could mean many do, most do, or even some do. It in no way means all.

Keep reading faire, jour, keep reading. I have given another answer, far more specific than "yes" so you will see that it is not true just for this one or that one, but holds true across cultures and age groups.

 

[shel90]

How would you feel if someone typed, "I hate the deaf, I wish there was no deaf people around". Tell me it wouldn't offended you? BS. it would. I don't believe you would ask for clarification, You'll jump the gun, it's natural for people to do that.



Vallee is deaf with a cochlear implant.

Apparently you decided to answered my question for me so I guess it is pointless for me to answer it. And it was an inccorect answer, by the way.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I understood what you were trying to say in your first post. Maybe those who understood you right on the spot are fluent in ASL and understand the implications of a situation like yours and knew you were just venting but your words came out as if you were attacking CI users. That was how the whole drama with people thinking others are attacking them began. If people took the time to ask you what you mean by that then the whole thing could have been avoided.

I actually understood what she was trying to say. My gut instinct was exactly what ended up being the case. The mother is frustrated by the lack of students in her son's school being able to understand and use ASL.

 

[damienmommy]

I understood your point is; it's good to hear that you want to do the best thing for your child. But you missed my point - I'd seen it before, I just saw some more and more parents with children who had their CIs around my area. They didn't take a sign language, only a few of them did take it. Because, according to Melika's posts, parents didn't want to learn sign language or they may be too busy to practice it (or other pointless reasons).

That is why Melika is frustrating and did try her do best for her son. She do not want to see her son bein left out cos there are more more more kids with CIs who can only speak, not sign. She already expressed her concerns within her feeling & her opinions as well.

Do you understand now?





Okay - I've to go now. Will come back later when I get home from my grandma's home.

exactly, glad u understand my points.

 

[shel90]

I actually understood what she was trying to say. My gut instinct was exactly what ended up being the case. The mother is frustrated by the lack of students in her son's school being able to understand and use ASL.

Like I said.."maybe.." you proved me wrong!

 

[Oceanbreeze]

thanks, ocean.

yw

 

[jillio]

Ooopss..better stop wasting more pages so ...that brings this question..if the demands of more oralim become rampant in all deaf ed programs and the administrators give in to those demands, what happens to those deaf children who strongly rely on ASL for their learning and development progress? With the government how it is, support services for them could be cut due to the small number and the misguided views of CIs and oralism can adversly hurt so many deaf children like it did in the past when AGBell and the Milan Conference did.

I am hoping with new Supreme Court Justices, and a new Presidency and cabinet, we will begin to see a turn around in the interpretation of "LRE" under the ADA. I think the hope is realistic that we will begin to move away from the automatic assumption that the mainstream placement is always the LRE.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

How would you feel if someone typed, "I hate the deaf, I wish there was no deaf people around". Tell me it wouldn't offended you? BS. it would. I don't believe you would ask for clarification, You'll jump the gun, it's natural for people to do that.



Vallee is deaf with a cochlear implant.

Shel is right. She personalized it and it came off offensive. This Mother was venting her frustrations. Why she was attacked for that, I will never know.

 

[faire_jour]

See. I knew that the answer was there!

Every child in the studies I reviewed suffered negative effects, and those effects were equal across 3 different cultures and age groups.

Thank you. That is the answer I was looking for. Yes, every child in the studies had negative affects. Thank you.

Oh, and why would I want the answer to be no? I don't have a mainstreamed child. I wish that every deaf child was in a Deaf school setting. Why do you think that I would want the answer to be different?

 

[Oceanbreeze]

No shit...

I know. It's sad.

 

[jillio]

Thank you. That is the answer I was looking for. Yes, every child in the studies had negative affects. Thank you.

Oh, and why would I want the answer to be no? I don't have a mainstreamed child. I wish that every deaf child was in a Deaf school setting. Why do you think that I would want the answer to be different?

Based on past experience with inconsistencies.

 

[faire_jour]

Based on past experience with inconsistencies.

That's right, I forgot, I hate Deaf people and want to make deaf kids hearing. Thanks for the reminder!

Opps, went ahead and wrote the things I said I wouldn't. Guess that means I need another break from AD and Jill.

 

[TechBill]

From what I am reading that some of you are posting that her son need is not being met at school while OP is saying that her son teacher teaches her son via sign language but that other kids with CI was not playing with her son because other kids do not know sign langauge. Unless I read that wrong I would think her son educated need is being met. It just that he seem to be lonely at school because other kids wouldn't fellowship with him since they do not know sign langauge.

And the OP clearly stated "stop use CI or something" which is obivously OP is blaming it squarely on CIs at the beginning not the teachers or parents or education system then posts started to fly back and forth dragging teachers and educators and parents into it that OP later recant stating that she was in unhappy mood or something and apolozied for posting remarks about the CI. Then started to post about teachers and parents.

I would like to add that most parents put their childern to mainstream school not because they want their child to be oral only. Lots of parents put their childern in mainstream because they don't want their child to be far from them and be at home with them all the time if deaf school is not in their hometown. I am one of those child whom wound up being in mainstream school all my life but in deaf educated program and with an interpeter in hearing classes because my hearing parents doesn't want me to be 2 hours away in a deaf school. I had few deaf friends in mainstream school whom hearing parents have the same feeling as my parents and all thier kids sign and use interpeter in hearing classes. So mainstream school is not always oral only unless that rule have changed today that I don't know about.

I do have some friends today that their deaf childern are in mainstream school with interpreter because the nearest deaf school is 3 hours drive away and for the same reason they don't want their child to be far from them. They all sign ASL.


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[shel90]

From what I am reading that some of you are posting that her son need is not being met at school while OP is saying that her son teacher teaches her son via sign language but that other kids with CI was not playing with her son because other kids do not know sign langauge. Unless I read that wrong I would think her son educated need is being met. It just that he seem to be lonely at school because other kids wouldn't fellowship with him since they do not know sign langauge.

And the OP clearly stated "stop use CI or something" which is obivously OP is blaming it squarely on CIs at the beginning not the teachers or parents or education system then posts started to fly back and forth dragging teachers and educators and parents into it that OP later recant stating that she was in unhappy mood or something and apolozied for posting remarks about the CI. Then started to post about teachers and parents.

I would like to add that most parents put their childern to mainstream school not because they want their child to be oral only. Lots of parents put their childern in mainstream because they don't want their child to be far from them and be at home with them all the time if deaf school is not in their hometown. I am one of those child whom wound up being in mainstream school all my life but in deaf educated program and with an interpeter in hearing classes because my hearing parents doesn't want me to be 2 hours away in a deaf school. I had few deaf friends in mainstream school whom hearing parents have the same feeling as my parents and all thier kids sign and use interpeter in hearing classes. So mainstream school is not always oral only unless that rule have changed today that I don't know about.

I do have some friends today that their deaf childern are in mainstream school with interpreter because the nearest deaf school is 3 hours drive away and for the same reason they don't want their child to be far from them. They all sign ASL.


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and for that, I can understand which is why I feel that it is so important that the mainstreamed programs hire staff who are experienced or trained in the field of deaf education and offer a BiBi model/approach so the deaf children can have exposure to Deaf role models, other deaf children, both languages, and the hearing world too while being close to their families. The problem is that too often the child is the only one or one of the few in many mainstreamed programs leaving the administrators with no knowledge of how to take the appropriate measures to meet their needs fully.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Like I said.."maybe.." you proved me wrong!

Just proving that if one steps back and can read it objectively, they can then understand and empathize with it.