Dangerous lack of mental health care

[Beowulf]

I have personally witnessed Judges taking the word of an attorney that a specific opposing member in a civil case was mentally ill.

The Judge took the attorneys word over a psychiatrist. A psychiatrist with 20 years experience diagnosing and treating the very specific "mental illness" this person was accused of. The Psychiatrist stated the person DID NOT HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS.

It infuriated the Judge and the testimony was thrown out.

People don't get paid unless there are mentally ill folks to treat. Its big business.

Lots of drug money to be had by pharmaceutical companies. Its a dirty business.

When I was growing up, kids did not die of heart attacks while playing sports. When a child talked back, they were spanked. When they acted up in class, they were put in a corner.

Now, its all considered abuse .... isn't drugging kids also abusive?

The more things change, the more they remain the same. There WERE such things as mentally ill teachers in our heyday. Once in the fifth grade I was being bullied in the hallway by a couple guys. My fifth grade teacher saw what was gong on, retrieved his paddle from his desk, escorted us into the bathroom and paddled all three of us. I told my father of the incident, and he called the teacher to let him know that if he ever lays a finger on me again, he would get beaten. That was that.
"Course, I wonder how the scenario would run today?

 

[Babyblue]

I've never said that I'm "angry" at the mentally ill, and I resent the implication.

I just believe in presenting the facts of each story accurately.

Patients who refuse meds and/or treatment, family members who enable or cover up for them, and laws that get in the way their treatment are often the problem rather then mental health budget cuts.

Like you said, "some people will not stay on their medication because of their mental illness"--that's not a budget problem.

I don't see how blaming budgets is more compassionate than supporting laws that will get mentally ill people off the streets and into treatment where they can't endanger themselves or others.

It is not always people enabling them. Though I understand what you are saying.

Many cases if the mental health paitents do not have insurance. Other than being bakered acted. They are tossed back in the street.
Due to mental health facilities will not take a person in unless they have insurance or able to afford treatment.

Some people can not afford to get treatment. So that basically leaves them untreated. Some can afford treatment but can not afford the medication.

Just looking at it from another side. Seen it happen to a family member.

Which makes me so sick and worried.

 

[Reba]

It is not always people enabling them. Though I understand what you are saying.

Many cases if the mental health paitents do not have insurance. Other than being bakered acted. They are tossed back in the street.
Due to mental health facilities will not take a person in unless they have insurance or able to afford treatment.

Some people can not afford to get treatment. So that basically leaves them untreated. Some can afford treatment but can not afford the medication.

Just looking at it from another side. Seen it happen to a family member.

Which makes me so sick and worried.

That may sometimes be the case but it doesn't appear to be so in the two situations that were referenced, unless some new information comes out.

 

[Berry]

There is a myth that mental illness is independent of circumstance. This is not true. Circumstances, situations, financial, and physical health contribute too, or detract from, mental health.

A person in a stable relationship with a decent job may never show signs of mental illness.

Take the job away, the relationship becomes argumentative -- And this person may very well become mentally and emotionally unstable.

Which means in poor economic times we need more, not less, attention to mental health issues.

 

[Babyblue]

There is a myth that mental illness is independent of circumstance. This is not true. Circumstances, situations, financial, and physical health contribute too, or detract from, mental health.

A person in a stable relationship with a decent job may never show signs of mental illness.

Take the job away, the relationship becomes argumentative -- And this person may very well become mentally and emotionally unstable.

Which means in poor economic times we need more, not less, attention to mental health issues.

I agree. Baker act a person. Is only a temporary solution.

Help after that.... Depends on income or having insurance.

So many are not getting the much needed mental help.

 

[BassHunter69]

I noticed that some people who do get care, Sometimes medication tend to make people worst off because it is not the right kind or doses. So if anyone is going to get off or on of medications, they need to be monitored for awhile. So who knows, maybe this guy was just getting off his medication if he have been in clinical care before.

medications are a tricky thing which is why it is a process and takes time to get right meds and right doses. the worse off part is the dr juggling around the meds by taking you off one to put you on another in an attempt to find the right medication. its not a one medication fits all program

 

[jillio]

"Regardless of state funding for mental health, Eastwood should have qualified for mental health care under Medicaid, which provides mental health care to indigent Coloradans. "
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The problem is, finding a mental health care facility that will accept Medicaid. More don't than do because the payout is so low, and they have such unreasonable restrictions. Maximum of 3 outpatient visits, and that includes the appointment for diagnosis. Only leaves 2 for actual treatment.

Serious mental health issues can't be resolved in 3 hours.

 

[jillio]

There is a myth that mental illness is independent of circumstance. This is not true. Circumstances, situations, financial, and physical health contribute too, or detract from, mental health.

A person in a stable relationship with a decent job may never show signs of mental illness.

Take the job away, the relationship becomes argumentative -- And this person may very well become mentally and emotionally unstable.

Which means in poor economic times we need more, not less, attention to mental health issues.

Agreed. Environmental and social factors all play a role in symptom manifestation, or in a sudden acute episode.

 

[jillio]

I have personally witnessed Judges taking the word of an attorney that a specific opposing member in a civil case was mentally ill.

The Judge took the attorneys word over a psychiatrist. A psychiatrist with 20 years experience diagnosing and treating the very specific "mental illness" this person was accused of. The Psychiatrist stated the person DID NOT HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS.

It infuriated the Judge and the testimony was thrown out.

People don't get paid unless there are mentally ill folks to treat. Its big business.

Lots of drug money to be had by pharmaceutical companies. Its a dirty business.

When I was growing up, kids did not die of heart attacks while playing sports. When a child talked back, they were spanked. When they acted up in class, they were put in a corner.

Now, its all considered abuse .... isn't drugging kids also abusive?

Sorry for the laugh, but I can assure you, no one gets rich from treating individuals who have mental illness!

 

[jillio]

Bott, the diagnosis for autism is contained in Axis II of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. This axis includes developmental disorders. This doesn't mean that autism is a mental illness like schizophrenia or depression contained in other axes. It's just the way the medical system sets up the diagnosis. I thought that neurologists make the diagnosis of autism so it seems strange that the diagnosis remains in the DSM. Maybe someone here who knows more about it can explain it.

Medical insurers refuse to cover therapy for autistic people because it is diagnosed as a mental disorder. I believe that Congress should require insurers to cover autism in the same way that insurers are now required to cover biologically based mental illnesses. Autistic people benefit from therapy like sensory integration therapy and other types of occupational therapy.

Right. Axis II is used for identifying disorders that are usually diagnosed in childhood. It is considered to be a developmental disorder.

The DSM contains many disorders that fall under a classification scale that wouldn't be considered to make one necessarily mentally ill, as it would with a psychotic disorder. It simply denotes a variation of the norm.

Testing for developmental disorders is generally still a psychologist's domain. Psychologists use the DSM criteria in diagnosing. Treatments, such as the sensory integration therapy you mentioned, also fall under the domain of psychology. Occupational therapy, as well, is based on psychological theory, and is simply an adaptation of a theoretically based treatment that has already been shown to be effective empirically.

 

[Hwy99]

Yeah it's true that the mental care doesn't always help.

I was in the treatment and recovered without graduating while I was supposed to stay for a year, but dropped out after attending for only 3 months.

There are some people who can be success without mental care or could fail and they're screw.

Anyway, yeah it is not very easy to do the counseling for mental care.

 

[Berry]

Yeah it's true that the mental care doesn't always help.

I was in the treatment and recovered without graduating while I was supposed to stay for a year, but dropped out after attending for only 3 months.

There are some people who can be success without mental care or could fail and they're screw.

Anyway, yeah it is not very easy to do the counseling for mental care.

The problem is:
The problem is and always was:
No answer starts until it starts at the beginning:
Whether it is mental illness, drug addiction, or simply vulgarity:

No answer ever begins

Until

The person wants to change.


A severely depressed (and depressing) woman once told me, "But if I weren't the way I am -- I wouldn't be me."

 

[posts from hell]

Sorry for the laugh, but I can assure you, no one gets rich from treating individuals who have mental illness!

I ran a job search for Psychiatrists and found plenty of 6digit jobs openings...

I lol'd when I saw $19,000-25,000 salary.... then saw "Monthly"

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

I ran a job search for Psychiatrists and found plenty of 6digit jobs openings...

I lol'd when I saw $19,000-25,000 salary.... then saw "Monthly"

Still require a PhD.

Bacholars or Masters in psychology doesn't really means much sadly...

 

[posts from hell]

Still require a PhD.

Bacholars or Masters in psychology doesn't really means much sadly...

Still, it shows that "no one gets rich" is false in this sense.

 

[jillio]

The problem is:
The problem is and always was:
No answer starts until it starts at the beginning:
Whether it is mental illness, drug addiction, or simply vulgarity:

No answer ever begins

Until

The person wants to change.


A severely depressed (and depressing) woman once told me, "But if I weren't the way I am -- I wouldn't be me."

Truer words were never typed!

 

[jillio]

I ran a job search for Psychiatrists and found plenty of 6digit jobs openings...

I lol'd when I saw $19,000-25,000 salary.... then saw "Monthly"

That is where you made your mistake. Psychiatrists do not treat the majority of people with mental illness. Clinical psychologist, counseling psychologists, and counselor educators or independent social workers do the majority of treatment. Psychiatrist simply prescribe meds when warranted, and generally oversee psychiatric units in hospitals.

 

[jillio]

Still require a PhD.

Bacholars or Masters in psychology doesn't really means much sadly...

Quite true. If you want to actually practice (as in diagnose and treat) you need to have a Ph.D. or a Psy.D. And psychiatrists get the majority of their case load from referrals. The psychologist actually does the diagnosing and treatment planning, and refers to a psychiatrist when someone needs to be evaluated for medication. The psychiatrist then evaluates and prescribes when appropriate, and refers back to the psychologist for treatment. The psychiatrist will only see the client when it is time for re-evaluation and refills.

 

[TXgolfer]

That is where you made your mistake. Psychiatrists do not treat the majority of people with mental illness. Clinical psychologist, counseling psychologists, and counselor educators or independent social workers do the majority of treatment. Psychiatrist simply prescribe meds when warranted, and generally oversee psychiatric units in hospitals.

His mistake? Now you are saying the majority........but before it was "I assure you no one"

 

[jillio]

His mistake? Now you are saying the majority........but before it was "I assure you no one"

Please re-read my post regarding those who treat mental illness and those who prescribe. And keep in mind that you cannot rely on salary figures alone. The cost of running a practice is tremendous, and seriously reduced the amount of take home in those gross numbers. Might want to figure in the cost of education that the majority of practitioners pay on until they retire.