CPS teacher strike and Illinois area....

How much do Chicago teachers make?
By Dylan Matthews, Updated: September 11, 2012

Monday, I passed along the Chicago Public Schools’ estimate of the mean teacher salary, which is $74,839. Pro-union sources are objecting, with some putting the figure at $56,720, almost $20,000 below CPS’ estimate. So is the school district just lying about this?

Nope. The union allies are right to look at medians, and the CPS number is slightly out of date, but $74,839 is closer to the right answer than $56,720.

The $56,720 number is the median salary for teachers in what the Bureau of Labor Statistics dubs the “Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL Metropolitan Division.” This includes not only Cook County, which includes all of the Chicago (and thus all of the Chicago Public School district), but also suburbs and other outlying towns like Burbank, Chicago Heights and Park Ridge, as well as six other counties: DeKalb, DuPage, Grundy, Kane, Kendall, McHenry and Will.

Using the Census’s 2011 estimates, the population in those seven counties is about 7 million (or 6,999,344 to be precise) as opposed to 2,707,120 in Chicago alone. So the $56,720 figure assumes that we can extrapolate salary patterns in Chicago from those of a region more than two-and-a-half times its size. That’s a questionable methodology, to say the least.

Luckily, we don’t have to guess, since CPS publishes median salary statistics (see page 198 in this pdf). As is often the case with stats like these, the median salary is below the mean: for the 2010-11 school year, the most recent year for which data is available, the median salary was $67,974, as opposed to the mean of $74,236 that year (as reported, pdf, by the Illinois State Board of Education). That mean is slightly different than the one reported by CPS because it relies on more recent ISBE data.

Some of that salary has to go to pension contributions. Teachers are required to contribute 9 percent of their salary to their pensions, and support personnel must contribute 8.5 percent, as opposed to 6.2 percent if they were part of the Social Security system. But the Chicago Public Schools system pays for 7 percent of the employee contribution. So the more relevant comparison is a 1.5 to 2 percent contribution for CPS employees compared to 6.2 percent for private sector workers paying Social Security tax. So the median after-pension income is $66,614, which a private sector employee on Social Security would need to earn $71,017 a year to make. So a median of $71,017 (or a mean of $77,560) is the most relevant number for comparing Chicago public school teachers to other workers.

What about the longer school day that Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is implementing? The school day is increasing from five hours and forty-five minutes for elementary school and seven hours for high school, to seven and seven and a half hours, respectively. Isn’t an increase in hours of that scale effectively a wage cut, in per-hour terms?

Not a big one. Under a deal reached by Emanuel and the Chicago Teachers’ Union in July, almost 500 new teachers will be hired to enable the new schedule, and while high school teachers will have to work another 14 minutes every day, elementary and middle school teachers’ hours won’t change at all. So the overall effect on per-worker hours is minimal.

None of this is to say anything about whether the average teacher’s salary is at the right level. It’s just to say that a fair read of the numbers suggests that $71,017 is a much more accurate estimate of what a typical Chicago public school teacher makes than $56,720.

How much do Chicago teachers make?
 
The striking teachers make 75k on average. If they have a legitimate grievance they should negotiate fairly. This is not "workers vs rich". In this district the teachers make 40% more than the taxpayers who are paying them. By striking teachers are doing nothing but bullying struggling taxpayers and using the taxpayer's children as weapons. It is disgusting.
Especially in this economy. There are plenty of qualified people willing to do the job for less.

For those that complain about class size look no further that the 75k salaries + pensions. Those thing prevent schools from hiring more teachers.

You have no clue about cost of living, their education level, how long they've been teaching, their class size, teaching to the test instead of teaching to learn, the political scape goat they made into, etc. They've earned every dime. Why should people in the highest position of trust be paid crap? How would you like your raise to be based performing under their stress? People are unreal - they preach about how important teachers are and how little they earn and are valued - then in the next breath they dump on them and say they shouldn't be paid anything.

Laura
 
Median is different than average. Even the median is high.

Taxpayers don't go to college or hire babysitters? Interesting.

I'm taxpayer and currently student at university. :lol:

Oh wow, teacher strike is still not over.
 
You have no clue about cost of living, their education level, how long they've been teaching, their class size, teaching to the test instead of teaching to learn, the political scape goat they made into, etc. They've earned every dime. Why should people in the highest position of trust be paid crap? How would you like your raise to be based performing under their stress? People are unreal - they preach about how important teachers are and how little they earn and are valued - then in the next breath they dump on them and say they shouldn't be paid anything.

Laura

Cost of living in an area is pretty easy to research. So are class sizes. I owned a restoration business. I was evaluated daily by insurance companies,building inspectors and emotional homeowners who, in most cases, had just lost everything they owned. I was further judged by the quailty, safety and durability of the finished product. Success meant I could charge more, failure meant I would have to find another career. Like teachers, I chose my path. I chose a path that allowed me an unlimited potential for income. Teachers did not choose that path. Teachers in public schools chose a path where income was determined by government and is at the mercy of taxpayers ability to pay. Sadly the "importance" of teachers has little bearing on compensation.
 
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Rahm is suing to end the Chicago teachers’ strike. Does he have a case?

Believe it or not, but Chicago mayor is suing to end teacher strike. I wonder if he will have a case.

Also, I think that is insensitve to strike and keep kids out of school, but what choices do they have.

The choice they have is simple. Go to work, do their job and collect their paycheck. Negotiate on your own time or find another job where you are compensated to your liking. Again their are plenty of people willing to do these teaching jobs for less.

Like you said, this is completely unfair to the students and parents?
 
The choice they have is simple. Go to work, do their job and collect their paycheck. Negotiate on your own time or find another job where you are compensated to your liking. Again their are plenty of people willing to do these teaching jobs for less.

Like you said, this is completely unfair to the students and parents?

I dunno about you but there are over 25,000 teachers. Apparently, plenty of teachers were fed up with it. And I dunno if you realize this but more and more teachers are no longer pursuing teaching jobs because they were underpaid and under-appreciated.
 
... How would you like your raise to be based performing under their stress?...
People in many professions and fields are in that situation. It's not just teachers. I was in the Navy for 24 years. My advancement in pay grade depended on my evaluation scores, test scores, time in service, and special achievements. It was very competitive.

Hubby owns a small business. His work is evaluated every time he serves a customer. If his work doesn't satisfy someone he doesn't get repeat business or referrals.

What about the stress under which others work? Police, fire fighters, EMT's, doctors, nurses, interpreters, small business owners, air traffic controllers, long distance truckers, etc., work under stress, including life and death risks. Maybe not as dangerous but just as stressful are people who work in sales for commissions. Every penny depends on their performance, day in and day out.

I'm not saying teachers have it easy; I'm saying they aren't the only ones. It's just that not all people go on strike over their stresses.
 
People in many professions and fields are in that situation. It's not just teachers. I was in the Navy for 24 years. My advancement in pay grade depended on my evaluation scores, test scores, time in service, and special achievements. It was very competitive.

Hubby owns a small business. His work is evaluated every time he serves a customer. If his work doesn't satisfy someone he doesn't get repeat business or referrals.

What about the stress under which others work? Police, fire fighters, EMT's, doctors, nurses, interpreters, small business owners, air traffic controllers, long distance truckers, etc., work under stress, including life and death risks. Maybe not as dangerous but just as stressful are people who work in sales for commissions. Every penny depends on their performance, day in and day out.

I'm not saying teachers have it easy; I'm saying they aren't the only ones. It's just that not all people go on strike over their stresses.

because EMTs, firefighters, polices, etc. cannot go on strike. it's illegal.

well - small business owners don't strike.....
 
...Taxpayers save money by leaving their kids at schools.
And teachers leave their kids at schools, too.

And teachers and other taxpayers pay for child care for younger children throughout the year, and for all children during school breaks.

So?

Working parents, teachers and people working in other professions, pay for child care.
 
It's tough to be part of union some times. I'm sure that a very large # of the teacher on strike would take the current deal, but they're at mercy of union. Teachers as union has to vote for the deal. I would hate to be Karen Lewis now. If the strike is not a success, she would be fired by teachers she reprsents. So, I assume that majority of the 25,000 teachers have to approve the deal for it to go by. If union head approves of it, but the teachers does not vote on it, then back to drawing board..........
 
And teachers leave their kids at schools, too.

And teachers and other taxpayers pay for child care for younger children throughout the year, and for all children during school breaks.

So?

Working parents, teachers and people working in other professions, pay for child care.
K-12 = that's 12 years of "free" child care. that's the problem.
 
because EMTs, firefighters, polices, etc. cannot go on strike. it's illegal.

well - small business owners don't strike.....
Sometimes police do have "sick outs" but for the most part, they can't strike.

The point is, people in all kinds of jobs experience stress.
 
Sometimes police do have "sick outs" but for the most part, they can't strike.

The point is, people in all kinds of jobs experience stress.

that's why police gets perks, benefits, and lofty job security. teachers don't. Teacher Evaluation? that's brutal.
 
K-12 = that's 12 years of "free" child care. that's the problem.
It's not free. It's paid for by taxpayers. Even taxpayers who don't use public schools.

The schools are available to the teachers' kids, too. So the child care expense argument is a wash.

I hope that they are getting more than child care during their time at school.
 
that's why police gets perks, benefits, and lofty job security. teachers don't. Teacher Evaluation? that's brutal.
Teachers get insurance and retirement plans, sick days, and vacations that coincide with their children's days off. It's not like they have no benefits. They also don't have the same risks as police officers.

How is their evaluation any worse than others? Please explain.
 
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