Cop "Not Sorry"

[Daredevel7]

again how much will beer summit cost the US tax payers?

About 6.5*10^-6 of a dollar per citizen. but that's just my estimate....

 

[C.C.Sinned]

About 6.5*10^-6 of a dollar per citizen. but that's just my estimate....

in english dammit

 

[Daredevel7]

in english dammit

sigh... I estimated about $2000 bucks and that's a VERY conservative number because the White house isn't paying for transportation nor accommodations, but maybe they are paying extra for security, publicity photos, etc etc. Then of course.. the beer.

There is about 140 million taxpayers in US (I think). Originally I used the population of USA (300M), but that's wrong, so 2000 bucks / 140 M taxpayers = .000014286 dollars per taxpayer.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

sigh... I estimated about $2000 bucks and that's a VERY conservative number because the White house isn't paying for transportation nor accommodations, but maybe they are paying extra for security, publicity photos, etc etc. Then of course.. the beer.

There is about 140 million taxpayers in US (I think). Originally I used the population of USA (300M), but that's wrong, so 2000 bucks / 140 M taxpayers = .000014286 dollars per taxpayer.

:P thanks


and still a needles expense

 

[Barbaro]

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Urban dictionary is a slang and phrase dictionary, so I suggest you choose proper links like Cornell Law School. You can buy Black's law dictionary through Amazon, and it is affordable. Professors, Law students, and lawyers can vouch for that.


Speaking of Beer Summit-

Beer Summit was written and submitted by Ka59. it appears over 2,000 votes disagree with it.

Urban Dictionary: Author ka59

 

[Barbaro]

Is it worth spending our tax money on Beer Summit?

 

[C.C.Sinned]

Is it worth spending our tax money on Beer Summit?

no

 

[Barbaro]

Beer Summit Time!

Obama drank Bud Light.
Biden had Buckler (a non-alcoholic beer).
Gates had Sam Adams Light
Crowley had Blue Moon.

Gates and Crowley are expected to have their families with them for tours and pictures.

Hopes for ‘positive lesson’ from beer chat
Cambridge cop, Harvard professor join Obama for brews at White House

WASHINGTON - With mugs of beer and a few minutes of conversation, President Barack Obama tried to pull himself and the nation beyond an uproar over race, sitting on his big back lawn with the black professor and the white policeman whose dispute had ignited a week of fierce debate.

Under the canopy of a magnolia tree Thursday evening, a shirt-sleeved Obama joined the other players in a story that had knocked the White House off message: Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. and Cambridge, Mass., police Sgt. James Crowley. Vice President Joe Biden was also with them on a Rose Garden patio.

The men were seen chatting with each other, each with a mug of beer. The media were stationed far away, out of earshot.

Although Obama had invited Crowley and Gates as part of what he called a "teachable moment" for the nation, it wasn't quite reachable for the masses. The coverage allowed the public to get the we've-come-together photos and video footage that the White House wanted, while keeping the discussion private among the men.

Crowley and Gates, in dark suits for the highly anticipated meeting, seemed more formal than Obama and Biden, who had ditched their coats in the early evening. The president nibbled on snacks and was seen laughing at one point. The media were escorted away after roughly two minutes.

"Even before we sat down for the beer, I learned that the two gentlemen spent some time together listening to one another, which is a testament to them," Obama said in a statement after the meeting. "I have always believed that what brings us together is stronger than what pulls us apart. I am confident that has happened here tonight, and I am hopeful that all of us are able to draw this positive lesson from this episode."

A short time earlier from the Oval Office, Obama had done what his aides had been doing for days: lowering expectations.

"I noticed this has been called the 'Beer Summit.' It's a clever term, but this is not a summit, guys," Obama told reporters. "This is three folks having a drink at the end of the day, and hopefully giving people an opportunity to listen to each other. And that's really all it is. This is not a university seminar."

When the meeting started, a TV shot showed Obama, Gates, Crowley and Vice President Joe Biden sitting at a table outside the White House.

Families tour White House
A White House aide told NBC's Savannah Guthrie that the interaction between Gates and Crowley was friendly and warm. The mens' families toured the West Wing while the meeting occurred.

Obama drank Bud Light, Biden had Buckler (a non-alcoholic beer), Gates had Sam Adams Light and Crowley had Blue Moon.

After Crowley investigated a potential burglary at Gates' house — and ended up arresting the protesting professor for disorderly conduct — the episode exploded into a national debate on racial profiling. Obama added fuel to the fire when he declared in a prime-time news conference that the police "acted stupidly." The charge against Gates was later dropped.

There's been a political cost for the president, stealing attention from his agenda and drawing negative public reviews on how he handled the matter.

Now comes the photo-op moment of diplomacy.

"I am, I have to say, fascinated by the fascination about this evening," Obama said. He described it as some personal conversation among people who are imperfect, and he included himself in that.

"Hopefully, instead of ginning up anger and hyperbole everybody can just spend a little bit of time with some self-reflection and recognizing that other people have different points of view," Obama said. "And that's it."

rowley told Boston TV station WHDH that he hoped for a meaningful discussion with the president and then a quick return to his job.

"Right now I just want to get back to work, get back to doing what it is I do, get back to being a dad to my three children," he said at an airport in Washington.

It was Obama himself who said last week the episode could be a "teachable moment" on improving relations between police and minority communities.

Yet for now, his stated agenda is simply to allow for a good, productive conversation. The hope, in turn, is that people in communities across the nation will see the meeting as a model for how to solve differences — more listening, less shooting from the lip.

Yet a parallel goal for Obama is to cap this story and move attention back to his push for a national health care overhaul.

The White House says it is not paying for any transportation or other accommodation costs for Gates or Crowley.

After all the buildup, the public won't see much. By design.

Obama, Gates and Crowley are expected to have their beers at a round table off the Rose Garden.

Media kept away
Gibbs said they will make no statements in the presence of the media. Reporters, photographers and video crews will be kept out of earshot. The whole public exposure may last less than a minute.

It should be just in time to get positive pictures of the men on the nightly network newscasts.

The actual meeting itself will go on after that, in private. Gates and Crowley are expected to have their families with them for tours and pictures.

"I hope it's more than media hype. I really hope that it's a moment where everyone acknowledges the complexity of race relations in our country," said Kelly McBride, a specialist in ethics at the Poynter Institute journalism center.

"Everybody can walk out of the meeting thinking exactly what they thought walking in, and that would be fine," she said. "But I would hope they would understand the others' positions. If they get that far, it could be a model for what we should be doing when things like this happen again. Because it's going to happen again."

At the time of the incident, Gates demanded an apology from Crowley and called him a "rogue policeman." Obama said the Cambridge policed "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates when he had shown proof he was in his home. Crowley said that, while he supported the president, Obama was "way off base wading into a local issue without knowing all the facts."

A new poll by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center found that 41 percent disapprove of Obama's handling of the Gates arrest, compared with 29 percent who approved. The poll also found that nearly 80 percent of Americans said they are now aware of Obama's comments on the matter.

Source: Hopes for positive lesson? from beer chat - White House- msnbc.com

EDIT: http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/White...=/090730/480/f32a015b28c14476a9b020d3a4b12b2a

there are extra photos of them chatting over beers.

 

[Jiro]

looking at what beers they drank.... seems like the rest got out-classed by a Boston cop.....

 

[Jiro]

Your post is quite comical and interesting. What's interesting to me is that you are a terrible flip-flopper. Worse than John Kerry. Your view on this issue has changed 3x while my view in this issue NEVER changed. Originally - you started with hating & blaming Crowley. Later you agreed all parties were at fault. Now you're siding with Gates, Obama, and Lucia. MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

What's so comical to me is that whatever your view is - you continually construct the interpretation of the situation to YOUR changing view. When your view changes, your interpretation of the SAME situation changes. Please make up your mind!

Obama was ASKED for his reaction on Gates´ case. He did not name Crowley to the public but said that The Police Officer acted stupid to arrest Gates after proved who he is and his home, that´s all.

there are hundred of cases like this all over America. Why did media decide to pick this specific case and ask Obama for his reaction? Because Gates and Obama know each other. You know what the President of United States should have said? "no comment"

do you know why Obama didn't mention Crowley's name even though it's so obvious that Obama's talking about Crowley? Because he ain't got a gut. What a weak weak character. I'm embarrassed as an American citizen to have a gutless President who can't even call him out. At least Bush and Colin Powell had a gut to call'em out. See my post #168

Are you sure? Something wrong with your head...

Barbaro, darkdog and you are the one who posted the link of Crowley´s report to here. Who post the police report to the internet/public? Are you saying that it´s Obama, not Crowley?

You must file a request (typically by a lawyer) to obtain the police report. Gates' lawyer most likely filed a request for police report and then disseminated it to newspapers. Beside, police reports are usually always released to public on most high-profile cases.

Because Obama made this local news into a national news, he inconvenienced everybody especially Lucia.

Beside - do you have a proof that police department released the police report to public?

I do not see anything about racial about Obama.

Obama's comment - "And number three -- what I think we know separate and apart from this incident -- is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately, and that's just a fact."

That comment made this incident about racism.

Are you sure?

Crowley mentioned race in his report. Yes, he use those word "black........." in his report. If you can´t remember then go back and re-read Crowley´s police report to fresh your memory.

how is Crowley's report racist? "2 men" and "2 black men" is not racist. It's just a little mistake.

Are you just really stupid, or a troll?

excuse me?

Lucia´s name was mentioned in Crowley´s report. If you can´t remember then go back and re-read Crowley´s report. It hurts Lucia´s image because he claimed in his report that Lucia mentioend "black........" to him. Crowley´s report are everywhere to the public and internet, put Lucia in a bad situtation. Lucia CAN sue Crowley for defamatary

The paper is called POLICE REPORT. A police officer is required to put in detailed report including all parties involved to the best of his memory. It is expected to have few minor mistakes such as wrong color, clock time off by few minutes, and wrong number such as 2 eggs instead of 1 egg.

Do you know what DEFAMATION means? The term "defamation" does not even apply to this case! You need to stop inventing the word for wrong situation. Defamation means the person spread unfounded rumor about you in order to destroy your reputation/life. In order to sue someone for defamation, you must established the fact that the person INTENDED to ruin your reputation/life by creating lie/rumor.

Obviously - Officer Crowley did not INTEND to ruin Lucia's life/reputation and Crowley did not PURPOSELY create lie to ruin Lucia's life. Next time - please consult with someone with knowledge of law before you spout some more comical nonsense.

Obama acknowledge his error and accept his responsible for his word because he should pick those word differently. What Obama said about Police Officer is true but he should keep his opinion himself, not to the public and pick something differently.

Obama needs to APOLOGIZE to the public, not acknowledge that he should have worded it differently. APOLOGY! I DEMAND APOLOGY!

I do not see anything about racial.

You do not want to see truth anyway.

Lucia´s life was threatened by ignorants because of Crowley and his false report everywhere to the public/interent. Crowley claimed that Lucia told him that it´s 2 black........ Lucia spoke to clear her name that she never mentioned the word "2 black...." to Crowley and 911 Operator.

See above for correction.

1. Again - Obama turned this incident a NATIONAL news.
2. You must file a request to obtain a police report - usually by a lawyer
3. Crowley did not PURPOSELY defame Lucia
4. Obama MISSPOKE in the news and assigned the blame to police for "stupidly" arresting Gates and because of that, it makes people think this is about racism. Because of that - Lucia became a victim.

 

[shel90]

Do you think by now an apology from Obama would really make a difference? I strongly doubt the public, especially conservatives, wont let him forget this one even if he apologizes.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

yes it think it would. an apology would show Obama has some character. So far he looks like a weasel making an feeble attempt to save face.

Gate's and Obama turned this entire incident into a racial issue. Gate's was a arrogant pompus ass who should have just let the cop do his job, remained calm and shown his ID. Obama, the arrogant pompus ass who should have kept his mouth shut.

the nation is focused on this story. meanwhile racial tensions are still brewing all over the nation. like the Brandon McClelland case, where people are still claiming racial cover up by the police...

 

[Jiro]

Do you think by now an apology from Obama would really make a difference? I strongly doubt the public, especially conservatives, wont let him forget this one even if he apologizes.

sure. an apology from Obama would have same effect as his comment on Crowley-Gates incident.

 

[Daredevel7]

sure. an apology from Obama would have same effect as his comment on Crowley-Gates incident.

How much do you wanna bet that if he apologizes, a lot of people will view him as a weakling who only apologizes? In fact, didnt you call him weak earlier? Would you think he was "stronger" if he apologizes?

DOUBTFUL.

 

[shel90]

How much do you wanna bet that if he apologizes, a lot of people will view him as a weakling who only apologizes? In fact, didnt you call him weak earlier? Would you think he was "stronger" if he apologizes?

DOUBTFUL.

My thoughts exactly...seriously, by now, would it really make a difference? There is so much contempt for him at this point.

 

[Jiro]

How much do you wanna bet that if he apologizes, a lot of people will view him as a weakling who only apologizes? In fact, didnt you call him weak earlier? Would you think he was "stronger" if he apologizes?

DOUBTFUL.

he can change his image if he wants to. how? let's see... for starter -

1. STATE YOUR STANCE FIRMLY AND DIRECTLY!
2. Stop using neutral language & neutral tone. see #1
3. Less Talk, More Action

IMO - the more words it take to say an apology, the weaker and disrespectful you are. A REAL MAN can apologize with 2 simple words - "I'm sorry" but no.... He never apologized nor said the word "sorry". Instead, he delivered an eulogy-like speech of 78-words acknowledgment of his error.... with neutral tone

:roll: :sure:

 

[C.C.Sinned]

Obamawussy

 

[shel90]

he can change his image if he wants to. how? let's see... for starter -

1. STATE YOUR STANCE FIRMLY AND DIRECTLY!
2. Stop using neutral language & neutral tone. see #1
3. Less Talk, More Action

IMO - the more words it take to say an apology, the weaker and disrespectful you are. A REAL MAN can apologize with 2 simple words - "I'm sorry" but no.... He never apologized nor said the word "sorry". Instead, he delivered an eulogy-like speech of 78-words acknowledgment of his error.... with neutral tone

:roll: :sure:

A real man? Isnt that setting up a standard for all men to follow?

How about a "real leader"?

 

[C.C.Sinned]

A real man? Isnt that setting up a standard for all men to follow?

How about a "real leader"?

shouldn't all men behave with good character?

and always set a good example

 

[shel90]

shouldn't all men behave with good character?

and always set a good example

I agree...Jiro was saying that a real man can apologize with 2 simple words.