Congress looks at doing away with the $1 bill

Not the answers I was looking for... The hidden stories in the article.

1) Debasing coinage with cheaper metals or larger nominal-value coins

What they are doing is getting you ready for a dollar devaluation by using cheaper metals (since metals used in older coinage now cause them to be worth more for their "melt-value" than their face value). This is why they have made it illegal for you to melt down coins. So that you can't buy $200 worth of old pennies and get $400 out of it, and repeat the process. Current Melt Value Of Coins - How Much Is Your Coin Worth? tells you that the penny made prior to 1982 is worth more than two cents, even a well-aged one. On the other hand, some coins are over valued, i.e., the actual metal value is much less than the nominal value. This is called seigniorage - look it up. They do this for a reason - they want to make sure that the money can withstand inflation for as long as possible before succumbing to Gresham's Law - bad money (made with cheaper metals) chases out good money (made with silver, gold, or copper). However, they didn't think it through with the penny. Look at the dime, quarter, half-dollar, and the dollar coins, once made with silver. A dime just for its melt-value at the coin shop would run you $2.3885. Your FAKE dime from 1965-on has about $0.01987 cents of base metal in it. So, my dime has 120 times the value of YOUR dime. BUT, because of the profit-making of the mint, it's only 23.88 times the value of your dime.

2) Forcing you over to digital money by making you use something you don't like - heavy coins

The idea is, "Oh, so you want to keep using paper money instead of using debit cards so we can't track your asses? Fine, a-holes! We're going to take away the paper money and make you use the coins, instead." And they know damn well people won't like it and eventually go digital.

3) Once you are in digital money strictly, then they track everything you do financially.

This is what you people need to realize. They collect your billing information and use it as part of the efforts of the marketing industrial complex (military industrial complex analogy - get it?). Paper money and especially gold/silver allows you to hide if you know what you're doing. About all they would know when using a debit card for cash periodically would be, "She's in Ft Carson, CO at this time." Nothing about the fact that you're buying thousands of rounds of ammunition or hundreds of pounds of food, etc. The things that preppers do.

4) Omissions of facts

The author didn't say that the penny made up to and including 1982 is the one costing 2 cents, not the ones with cheaper metals made from 1982-on (yes, they did both compositions during 1982 which was a transition period for the penny). The current penny costs .005... cents to make. Have you noticed that the penny with the shield on the back on the newer ones have that look and feel of coins from communist countries?

The above paragraph also indicates that the last time coinage was changed was in 1982, 30 years ago, not nearly 50 years ago (when silver was taken out of coinage and replaced with base metals - non-precious or common metals)

They completely leave out the fact that the reason for changing the coinage is because the seigniorage, or the profit from issuing coins at a higher face value than the melt value, gets smaller and eventually disappears over time as inflation pushes up the price of metals (and everything else) above the face value of the coinage - Gresham's Law. Eventually, the cost of making the coin is more than the face value stamped on it. This is CAUSED by expanding the money supply too fast, and that is easily done with paper money, but completely easy with DIGITAL money. Just pass an appropriations bills, enter in several digits on a computer, and hit return - billions, if not trillions created ON THE SPOT without looking for, mining, refining, and finally minting gold/silver coins, all dangerous, hard work. Without felling trees and milling them for the paper to create the paper dollar bills. The computer is the ULTIMATE tool for unrestrained expansion of the money supply. The reason it didn't happen with gold or silver, except for times when it was vastly expanded by finding huge, high-yield mines like Silver Lode, which caused silver to be devalued against gold, is because looking for, mining, refining, and finally minting gold/silver coins is dangerous, dirty, and hard work that keeps tight reins on how fast money can be made. Historically, the mining of gold/silver/copper kept up with the population growth, so that the money supply was stable over time.

5) However, there may be more to this than I'm willing to give credence to - setting up a return to a modern gold standard.

I notice two things about this. One, the interest rate environment for the common wage earner stinks compared to 30 years ago, when you had savings accounts somewhere around 5% annually. Two, if the people controlling the US Treasury Dept. wanted to hold people inside digital money, they would have done so already, simply by dropping all coinage, never even considering the metal dollar being considered at this time.

The first point would remind one that in a gold standard that works properly, you would not have an interest rate at a warehouse to "earn" interest. In fact, you would be paying for the warehousing of your precious metals for safe-keeping - don't you pay storage fees for your excess furniture and tools at storage facilities? Same idea there. Notice the banks starting to act like warehouses in that you pay them for safe-keeping of your dollars through "checking account fees." The way things used to be, if you were a worker of some sort, you had 100 ounces of gold, and you had a goal of having 105 ounces of gold by the end of the year, guess what? You had to get out there and earn it yourself. The honest way. Work for it.

The second point of metal coins being considered is getting people used to the idea of carrying metals on their persons, which is how it used to be for the average person riding into town in the 1800s, especially if you were not a business person or a person of means. Maybe the people orchestrating this fears that the people would be so burned on the reality of fiat money and the theft it represents, that banks known in the 20th century sense would lose ALL credibility and would lose ALL ability to loan out ANYTHING in the absence of fiat. People would end up carrying the coins on their persons, at least until entities formed as "warehouses" for safe-keeping of your money come into existence, and people could begin to trust them.

This leads me to say that the new $100 bill coming out in the future has details on it that seem to have signs of a modern gold standard returning. NewMoney.gov - Progress Update: The New $100 Note is a link showing a new $100 bill and that the Federal Reserve System will be releasing this new bill sometime in the future. The video says that the reason for the delay in releasing this bill is because of a creasing problem in the paper found during production. There's more to the story than that. It appears to a source of mine that the reason for the delay is because of the timing. It's not ready for that yet. Here's why.

Let's look at the new $100 bill - The Hidden Meanings in the New $100 Bill! found by a source of mine that says:

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Ok. So it may be a coincidence and I may have an over active imagination but bear with me while we explore further. Take a real close look at the new bill keeping in mind that the US has a special history of hidden meaning behind their bills and there's a real possibility of a currency crash (with a return to the Gold Standard) in the very near future.

Let's start with the most glaring difference even from the other new colored bills: that huge Blue Stripe down the right center. For those not familiar with the symbolism of the American flag colors: Red symbolizes Hardiness and Valor, White symbolizes Purity and Innocence and Blue represents Vigilance, Perseverance and Justice. Is it possible that the big Blue Stripe may have more significance that you might expect?

When it comes to monetary theory there are really only two serious camps. The first believes in fiat/paper money and the second believes in a "hard money" backed by gold. Lets assume these two opposing ideologies are represented on this bill. Look closely at the left side of the Blue Stripe.

Let's say the left side represents the fiat/paper money camp. There is no new coloring at all just the same ole drab green. The same ole fiat money. It's all there...the words "Federal Reserve Note", the Official Fed Seal, Ooo..looks like the US Treasury Secretary signature has been moved from the right to the left side(come on...which camp did you think Geithner would be put in?!). And for you currency buffs, even Benjamin Franklin is positioned on the left of the Blue Stripe with that quizzical grin...why you ask?

Well, not many know it but Ben Franklin was a BIG supporter of paper money in his day. Don't get me wrong, he was a great and loyal American who was very much anti-banker but in his day the battle was reversed. It was the English bankers who were all about forcing the colonists onto a Gold/Silver standard but Franklin knew that the overseas trade would leave no physical money for the colonies to conduct domestic commerce with. It was probably the TRUE cause of the American Revolution!

Now let's look at the right side of that Blue Stripe...the "Vigilance, Perseverance and Justice" side!

OH MY GOODNESS...GOLD GALORE!! A Gold Ink Well, Gold Liberty Bell, Gold Feather Pen, Gold "100", Gold Watermark, Gold Writing in the background, Gold "July 4, 1776"...there's even a HUGE gold "100" on the back of the right side. The right side of this bill is so full of gold it will probably droop when you hand it to the cashier!

Here's my take on all the Gold symbolism:

- The US has long prepared to return to a Gold Standard and the time has come.

- The Gold Ink Well symbolizes the power of Congress to pass laws that can dismantle the Fiat Money System with the stoke of a pen.

- The Gold Liberty Bell within the ink well symbolizes Congresses ability to write laws that destroy the banking cabal's strangle hold on the Liberty of citizens in the United States.

- Notice the words "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS,PUBLIC AND PRIVATE" has also been moved from the left to the right side (or the gold standard side!)

- Notice how the color of the "100" on the bottom front changes from GREEN to GOLD...still not convinced?

- And now my favorite... look at the wording right above the "100" on the far right.

Do you see it?

"...the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new..."

That, my friends, comes directly from our Declaration of Independence and says the following:

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Has there ever been a time in the last 100 years that the people were more ready to "alter or abolish" our government?!

Can "They" make it more obvious...GET READY FOR A GOLD STANDARD!
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Or so he claims... You decide if this is possible.
 
By the way, there is a rumor floating around that the US Mint will be removing the penny and the nickel in January 2013. This is unsubstantiated rumor with NO press release from the US Treasury. Disregard it.

HOWEVER, if you go to coinflation.com and look at the current value of the penny and the nickel, you'll find that the old pennies are over two cents apiece, as I mentioned before, and the nickel, made since 1946 with no metal change, is just a bit more than its stated face value at $.0520514 cents.

If you look at history and realize that history usually rhymes, if not repeat exactly. See, silver coinage was removed in 1965 and a law was put in place prohibiting the melting down of and exporting these coins and was repealed in 1969. We also have a law protecting the base coinage from a similar fate from 2007. During the 60s, silver in coins were above the face value of the coins, and people started taking them out of circulation before and after the removal. This already has been happening with the penny, pre-1982, but they're heavy. You might want to get a head start on those nickels, as they are slightly undervalued, and if you know anything about the history of inflation, that's what you'll do.
 
Our coin design is not as good and Britain. If you compare the pound to the U.S. dollar, our coin is too big and bulky. It would need a redesign to be useful in such things as parking meters and that might be costly as well.

I'm not against it. We have lost something culturally by not using coins.

However, in the future, it is more likely that we will all be using plastic.

Edit: You should also know, while you do get a price cut for cash at gas stations, you may get more of a cut with a credit card that has no debt in the form of a cash back bonus. Financially, if you are debt free, it is worth it to use the credit card. So, other than gas and to keep yourself out of debt you need to think about using cash.
 
Future, credit will be our eyes. If thief have guts to take their eyes off. Tee-hee!
 
Edit: You should also know, while you do get a price cut for cash at gas stations, you may get more of a cut with a credit card that has no debt in the form of a cash back bonus. Financially, if you are debt free, it is worth it to use the credit card. So, other than gas and to keep yourself out of debt you need to think about using cash.

Define cash.

Do you want to use a devaluing currency, such as the US dollar, or so you want to use precious metals if and when the changeover back to a gold standard happens?

A US Dollar bill or coin NOT made of silver is worth a nominal dollar. What about a SILVER dollar? Divide roughly 14 silver dimes per troy ounce into one troy ounce to get .714 troy ounces times the spot price ($32.91) of silver to arrive at $23.50. My silver dollar is worth more than 20 times more than your fake dollar bill. You see, India, China, and the Middle East being MAJOR gold holders of the world, will eventually dictate that we start paying them in gold so as not to devalue their foreign exchange. That will force us to back up the dollar with gold, forcing the US gov't to make big changes to itself in order to avoid rapid devaluation of the dollar.

Now, what COULD happen, in this age of electronics is that although all warehouses will carry our precious metals for us, it will look at our holdings in terms of weight, not dollar value, so that if you need gas and you use your credit or debit card (debatable whether credit card companies will exist in a post-fiat environment), it will simply deduct from your account at the rate of, say .10 troy ounces of silver per gallon (since national currency amounts/signs would no longer be used). Everything would be priced in fractions of troy ounces instead of national currencies. That way, you have the stability of gold and the security of warehouses AND electronic transactions. Get robbed? Just call the warehouse to cancel your card and get a new one.
 
Does it matter if you put a gold standard against a paper or metal dollar? The issue here is cost to make the currency. We can call it or denominate it however we wish, but once that is done it is done.

I've got $700 of bills worth of gold, I've got $700 of wooden coins worth of gold, I've got $700 of magnesium, zinc and silver worth of gold, does it make a difference?
 
Does it matter if you put a gold standard against a paper or metal dollar? The issue here is cost to make the currency. We can call it or denominate it however we wish, but once that is done it is done.

I've got $700 of bills worth of gold, I've got $700 of wooden coins worth of gold, I've got $700 of magnesium, zinc and silver worth of gold, does it make a difference?

Oh, but it does make a difference. Please study the history of gold as a monetary metal. You see, there always has been a struggle between the paper crowd and the hard money people, because using paper money allows you to inflate the money supply by printing up the paper money without having to earn it (as through discovering, digging up, and refining gold/silver to make the coins), even more so since you can pass a bill and hit a few keys on the computer, and you instantly have money in the budget of a given federal or state agency. There was nothing of intrinsic worth exchanged.

The reason for gold is, 200 years ago, you would have bought a really nice suit for yourself for about an ounce of gold. Guess what, a suit of similar quality would run you an ounce of gold (about $1700-2000). The US Dollar has lost 98% of its value since 1913, when a skeleton crew of Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act just right before Christmas, without any input from my ancestors who were alive at the time nor any constitutional ratification process. Gold has been a stable store of value (though it has been manipulated by the paper crowd through the ages to force people out of it, and even FDR made gold ownership ILLEGAL through threat of fines and prison time for possession of gold above $100 worth at the time.

A gold standard was instituted through the ages because humans cannot be trusted to NOT print up money to his advantage, and we fall for that fault every single time. We have that in spades all over the world today. The US, Euroland, India trying to quell gold Demand, ditto for Vietnam, China (though they are encouraging gold ownership after a long period of no gold ownership). It's everywhere there are humans.

You MUST understand that since August 15, 1971, when Nixon took us off the gold standard internationally, we have been living in a pure fiat world. What you must also understand is that in recorded history that we know of, there has NEVER been a time when not a SINGLE currency was backed by gold, meaning that there was always a place a citizen could trade their currency for to gain some inflation protection. This is an experiment in fiat that is failing badly, having lost half its value in just a few years with prices really rising. There is NO PLACE for investors to go to, to protect their currencies. So far, the best performers over the last 12 years have been gold and silver. Do you now understand why countries like China and India want to trade without using petro dollars? They have been making their own payment arrangements without the involvement of the dollar or in the case of Turkey and Iran, without even the involvement of the SWIFT banking system by trading oil directly for gold. The reason the experiment will end badly is because most people do not have gold/silver in place in America and other ANGLO countries. People are caught outside safety with paper money.

There is a whole layer of information that evidently most people are not aware of in the precious metal markets, and that is the racket that the banking class has in regards to manipulation through leasing of gold and using paper markets to expand the amount of paper gold to suppress the price of gold. It would take you years to study the tiniest details and examples used to make this particular post I'm writing at this moment.
 
Oh, but it does make a difference. Please study the history of gold as a monetary metal. You see, there always has been a struggle between the paper crowd and the hard money people, because using paper money allows you to inflate the money supply by printing up the paper money without having to earn it (as through discovering, digging up, and refining gold/silver to make the coins), even more so since you can pass a bill and hit a few keys on the computer, and you instantly have money in the budget of a given federal or state agency. There was nothing of intrinsic worth exchanged.

The topic is the cost of currency not the the safe guarding of the market from spiral inflation. It's impractical to carry around several bars of gold in your pocket to use for lunch. With or without the gold standard, what we use to represent currency changes throughout the ages, it has to because the source has built in value.

Edit: deafdrummer, I'm curious, what is your solution to the cost of creating currency issue?

If your argument is that by restoring the gold standard it stabilizes the value of gold, it gained as much a 22% at times just between 1955 and 1971 alone. So, what is the connection?
 
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The topic is the cost of currency not the the safe guarding of the market from spiral inflation. It's impractical to carry around several bars of gold in your pocket to use for lunch. With or without the gold standard, what we use to represent currency changes throughout the ages, it has to because the source has built in value.

Edit: deafdrummer, I'm curious, what is your solution to the cost of creating currency issue?

If your argument is that by restoring the gold standard it stabilizes the value of gold, it gained as much a 22% at times just between 1955 and 1971 alone. So, what is the connection?

That's where you fail to make the link. The cost of making the coins goes UP because the price of the service of making them AND the metals as inputs in the manufacturing of coins go UP. Prices on commodities are not stable because the money supply expands faster than the rate of population. The classic case of more dollars chasing the same amount of goods in a period of time. You see, the US went off the gold standard because countries like France understood what the US was doing to the world with its inflationary policies and tried to cash in the dollars for the US gold. Had the US not defaulted on the international gold window, the US would have been cleaned out of its gold. If you did not have the inflationary policy in the first place, the metal prices would remain stable, and you wouldn't have to be forced to address the fact that the penny cost more to make than before, and ditto for the nickel and have to substitute with a cheaper metal. PLEASE research coin debasement in the Roman times. This is not the first time it's happened.

Time and time again, people fail to understand paper money, how it works, why it fails, and its effects on the citizens forced to use it under legal tender laws. You see, gold didn't go up much during that time period you quote. Not until around 1968, about the time the London Gold Pool ran into trouble by collapsing. If you look at the included chart and data, you'll see that gold was holding around $35/oz from '55 to '67. In '68, it jumped to $38+, '69 jumped again to $41+, '70 dropped to just under $36, '71 jumped back to $40 when the US Dollar was delinked from the gold standard. This means that no country has been able to redeem the paper dollars for the gold stored in the US. When the US gov't saw how fast the gold was leaving, they shut it down. It wasn't until around March '68, when that Pool collapsed that gold got anywhere much above $35. You must remember that $35 was the official price of gold from 1934 to 1971. Previously, it had been $20.67 per troy ounce for almost a century. Another thing is the Bretton Woods Agreement, as said by mises.org:

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This was not like the classical gold standard of the 1800s but a pseudo gold standard foisted on the world by central planners. Convertibility could not be exercised by private individuals, only central bankers, and most currencies were not redeemable in gold; only the dollar was. Again, gold charts show a flat line through the Bretton Woods era of the 1940s, '50s, and '60s at $35.
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Two other places corroborate my data from kitco.com

Historical gold prices
What Is the Historical Price of Gold?

So, let me ask... How many bars of gold would you carry around in your pocket? Let's say two one-troy-ounce bars, okay? Remember, gold is very dense, so it only has to be .945" by 1.614" to weigh one troy ounce. How much is that worth right now? Somewhere around $1700 per ounce. That is roughly $3400. WHAT ARE YOU DOING WALKING AROUND WITH $3400 IN YOUR POCKET!? That buys you 340 lunches at $10 apiece. You must be VERY HUNGRY! NO. That's not what gold is for, unless you are paying for catering services for several hundred people. Gold was historically used by governments, countries, states, businesses, and wealthy individuals for LARGE purchases, such as houses, land, businesses and capital formation. The rest of us used silver, as it was valued 15-17 times less than gold and thusly more convenient for the purchases you are concerned about. Copper coinage was also used for really small transactions.

Now, one last thing I can think of... If you look at the chart I enclosed, you'll understand if you change your perspective on valuation. Gold didn't go up in value. It was the dollar that lost value against gold. You see, you needed to pay more dollars to buy that same ounce of gold. Nothing was done to the gold to make it more "valuable," and it didn't do anything to make it so. It just sat there while the dollar was being devalued as I explained before. If you recall, gas has become more expensive. Rather, the dollar has lost value against a gallon of gas. Nothing has changed about the refining nature of gasoline in the last 4 years, and yet it went up on us. Or again, the dollar lost value against the gas.
 

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Our coin design is not as good and Britain. If you compare the pound to the U.S. dollar, our coin is too big and bulky. It would need a redesign to be useful in such things as parking meters and that might be costly as well.

I'm not against it. We have lost something culturally by not using coins.

However, in the future, it is more likely that we will all be using plastic.

Edit: You should also know, while you do get a price cut for cash at gas stations, you may get more of a cut with a credit card that has no debt in the form of a cash back bonus. Financially, if you are debt free, it is worth it to use the credit card. So, other than gas and to keep yourself out of debt you need to think about using cash.

Many stations in California do not accept credit cards anymore.
 
Interesting. Why?

Yup, I'm wonder about that and there is change from 2006.

I think that big reason is probably swipe fee so the gas stations don't want lose the money due to high swipe fee, however if you have gas card (opposite to credit card) so it should works.
 
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