CIA warns over terror documents

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Jiro said:
so you have no faith in Legislative and Judicial Branch to overlook them (as sanctioned by Executive Branch)?
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Sure as hell didn't work with Gitmo torture, did it?
 
jillio said:
Sure as hell didn't work with Gitmo torture, did it?
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because the protocol wasn't properly followed thus complicating the matter even worse.
 
Jiro said:
Let's see.... a significant portion of Senators, Congressmen, and Judges are aware of it including McCain, Robert Gates, Pelosi, and dozens more serving for Obama Administration who also served under Bush Administration. We have FISA court, Senate Intelligence Committee, and several more.

so... lack of accountability? where? If that's the case, then why did Obama, all of sudden, decide not to release any further torture memo? There are already procedures and system of accountability in place to handle this sensitive matter. I suppose Obama was not aware of it.... that's what happens when you're new in the game.
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If accountability were in place, the situation would never have happened in the first place. And yes, I am for accountability.
 
The CIA needs secrecy. There are things that the public does not need to know. However, if the CIA is doing really bad stuff like, say, lying to Congress on a regular basis, I think that should be investigated.
 
darkdog said:
The CIA needs secrecy. There are things that the public does not need to know. However, if the CIA is doing really bad stuff like, say, lying to Congress on a regular basis, I think that should be investigated.
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CIA does not answer to Congress unless they were subpoenaed for Congressional hearings. CIA exists to serve for the President via DCI. so the question is - did CIA lie to the President? my answer - absolutely not. why? because it's insane to do so.

After all - Panetta... appointed by Obama denied such allegation by Pelosi.
 
Panetta - source

Panetta's note was sent to reporters via the CIA press office. Here's the key graph:

"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing “the enhanced techniques that had been employed.” Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened."
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Jiro said:
CIA does not answer to Congress unless they were subpoenaed for Congressional hearings. CIA exists to serve for the President via DCI. so the question is - did CIA lie to the President? my answer - absolutely not. why? because it's insane to do so.

After all - Panetta... appointed by Obama denied such allegation by Pelosi.
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That was my little jab at Pelosi for accusing the CIA of lying to Congress "all the time" and then voting down the attempt to investigate the alleged lies (Republicans blocked in Pelosi inquiry bid - Washington Times). Regardless, I still believe that if the CIA is lying to members of Congress in briefing sessions, that's a problem. I just don't believe that's happening in this case.
 
darkdog said:
That was my little jab at Pelosi for accusing the CIA of lying to Congress "all the time" and then voting down the attempt to investigate the alleged lies (Republicans blocked in Pelosi inquiry bid - Washington Times). Regardless, I still believe that if the CIA is lying to members of Congress in briefing sessions, that's a problem. I just don't believe that's happening in this case.
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ah ok no problem. I guess we'll have to sit tight and wait for investigation to finish.
 
Jiro said:
CIA does not answer to Congress unless they were subpoenaed for Congressional hearings. CIA exists to serve for the President via DCI. so the question is - did CIA lie to the President? my answer - absolutely not. why? because it's insane to do so.

After all - Panetta... appointed by Obama denied such allegation by Pelosi.
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The the President at the time is as guilty as the CIA.
 
jillio said:
Because of a lack of accountability.
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how can there be accountability if no such thing existed? At that time - Gitmo Camp didn't exist, Interrogation Policy didn't exist, and basically just about everything relating to 9/11 didn't exist either!

They did the best they can.
 
Jiro said:
how can there be accountability if no such thing existed? At that time - Gitmo Camp didn't exist, Interrogation Policy didn't exist, and basically just about everything relating to 9/11 didn't exist either!

They did the best they can.
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We are talking about the release of terror documents during the period of time that 9/11 was history, Gitmo did exist, interrogation policies of foreign accused criminals existed, etc., etc., etc.

The only thing that didn't exist was accountability under that particular administration.
 
jillio said:
Not if information was withheld or misrepresented because of a lack of accountability.
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too bad that the investigation was blocked to investigate on that specific allegation
 
jillio said:
Like I said, lack of accountability.
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again - the investigation was blocked to investigate on that. I suppose Obama's not interested in getting at the bottom of this
 
Foxrac said:
Yup, CIA is doing so right thing, I already told you.
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No, Panetta's argument is an absurd.

The memos had been released, but over 100 interrogation tapes were destroyed by CIA. Why destory them for when they think they doing right thing?

And the US pictures and video are everywhere on the TV, internet and newspapers in many countries around the world before Obama released the memos to the public few months ago.

Foxrac said:
No, you are wrong, I'm not talk about most Americans has no idea about CIA, but I'm talking about many people from other countries don't how CIA works, except for anyone who work for government or military.

Liebling and Jiro has posted alot of information about situation with CIA and brutal punishment in Gitmo prison, such as torture.
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Actually, I was being accused as a liar and mislead the information, etc by some ADers in gitmo threads. I tried to tell them what I know long what and how Bush´s people did to Muslim/Arabs. The victims told the story what and how they were being torture and mistreat by the people under Bush Admin. I´m glad that Obama released the memos to convince some ADers at last because some ADers kept on saying: "Proof"... "misleading"... and accuse the Muslim victims as liar and false statement etc. Now some Aders said that Obama should not released the memos... I thought they want to know since they keep telling me "where´s proof".... there´re proof is memos...

Foxrac said:
Many people in US do aware about situation with CIA, such as memo about torture in Gitmo prison because it already over on news and there's many people that I had talk and they do know about CIA.

I don't want CIA to release the memo because it could affect congressional election in 2010, such as republican takeover congress like happened in 1994. I would rather to see Obama doing his job at general, also keep defend on CIA and closing of Gitmo prison could affect too, even we don't know right now.
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Gitmo prison should not created in first place.

kokonut said:
Yeah, just like when Bush didn't want to inflame anti-American feelings in Iraq and Afghanistan by not showing more photos. How ironic just for political expediancy. First he said he would, and now he won't. His talks come with an expiration date. Just remember that.
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You should blame Lynnie England´s former boyfriend Charles Garner for Abu Ghraib scandal after released the pictures and videos to the internet before US Government tried to stop it.

The victims, Bush Admin. released from Gitmo prison, told the story to the world and TV interviews about their experience in Gitmo prison before Obama released the memos to the public few months ago.
 
CIA head: Cheney almost wishing for an attack
Former vice president has said he thinks Obama is making U.S. less safe

WASHINGTON - CIA Director Leon Panetta says former Vice President Dick Cheney's criticism of the Obama administration's approach to terrorism almost suggests "he's wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point."

Panetta told The New Yorker for an article in its June 22 issue that Cheney "smells some blood in the water" on the issue of national security.

Cheney has said in several interviews that he thinks Obama is making the U.S. less safe. He has been critical of Obama for ordering the closure of the detention facility at the U.S. Navy base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, halting enhanced interrogations of suspected terrorists and reversing other Bush administration initiatives he says helped to prevent attacks on the United States

Last month the former vice president offered a withering critique of Obama's policies and a defense of the Bush administration on the same day that Obama made a major speech about national security.

Panetta said of Cheney's remarks: "It's almost, a little bit, gallows politics. When you read behind it, it's almost as if he's wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point. I think that's dangerous politics."

Asked if he agreed with Panetta, Vice President Joe Biden told NBC's "Meet the Press" that he wouldn't question the motive behind Cheney's criticism.

"I think Dick Cheney's judgment about how to secure America is faulty," Biden said. "I think our judgment is correct."

CIA head: Cheney almost wishing for an attack - More politics- msnbc.com
 
why do you still have a boner for Dick Cheney? He was not the President of United States and he doesn't work at White House anymore.

We're talking about Obama and CIA right now, not Dick Cheney and CIA.
 
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