CIA Report

[Jiro]

Nor did I ever say that "terrorists" had the right to due process. I said those suspected of and imprisoned for crimes had the right to due process. Terrorism is a crime. Terrorists become prisoners. Prisoners have the right to due process under the laws of this land.

again.................... you have not shown me any single iota of support/law that backs your statement. Can you KINDLY point it out where in our law that specify anything relating to terrorists/alleged terrorists' rights?

 

[Babyblue]

I agree with the "Due Process" but that does not always work for someone that is willing to die for what they believe in...

I am not agreeing with neither Jillio or Jiro.

I am simply saying the system is faulty.

Both ways. They are either too lenient or to harsh, on the accused.

 

[jillio]

again.................... you have not shown me any single iota of support/law that backs your statement. Can you KINDLY point it out where in our law that specify anything relating to terrorists/alleged terrorists' rights?

Well then, I'll ask you again...is terrorism legal? And the law specifically says ALL. That is pretty inclusive. ALL means everyone.

 

[Jiro]

Well then, I'll ask you again...is terrorism legal?

you cannot answer my question with question. it usually that you do not have the answer to my very simple question. see my post #31 in case you need a direction again.

 

[Babyblue]

Another words. People are scared. America is scared. Paranoid, to the fact that they have to resort to torture.

 

[jillio]

you cannot answer my question with question. it usually that you do not have the answer to my very simple question.

Then you really are having trouble reading. If terrorism is a crime per our federal statutes, then terrorists are criminals. When one is accused of terrorism, one is accused of a crime. When one is accused of a crime under the law of this land, one has the right to due process. They also have the right to not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[jillio]

ACLU: Defense department to release abuse photos
Posted: 10:28 PM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Defense Department will release “a substantial number” of photographs showing abuse of prisoners at prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to the American Civil Liberties Union.

The release will be in response to an open-records lawsuit filed by the ACLU, the group said in a written statement. The statement released late Thursday said the photos were taken at facilities other than the infamous Abu Ghraib prison.

“These photographs provide visual proof that prisoner abuse by U.S. personnel was not aberrational but widespread, reaching far beyond the walls of Abu Ghraib,” Amrit Singh, an ACLU attorney, said in the release. The photos are to be released by May 28, the ACLU said.

The Department of Defense announced in a letter addressed to the federal court on Thursday that it would release the photos.

In a copy of the letter posted on the ACLU’s Web site, acting U.S. Attorney Lev L. Dassin said that 21 photographs would be released and that the government “also is processing for release a substantial number of other images.”

The lawsuit was filed in 2004 after the Bush administration denied a 2003 open-records request by the ACLU.

The 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals ruled last year that the photos should be released. The Defense Department will not appeal the case to the U.S. Supreme Court, Dassin said in the letter.

Attempts by CNN to reach the White House and Department of Defense for comment were not immediately successful.

The CNN Wire - Latest updates on top stories - CNN.com Blogs

 

[Jiro]

Then you really are having trouble reading. If terrorism is a crime per our federal statutes, then terrorists are criminals. When one is accused of terrorism, one is accused of a crime. When one is accused of a crime under the law of this land, one has the right to due process.

again..... domestic terrorism IS NOT the same as terrorism by Al Qaeda because it was the war, not criminal. The war cannot be covered by our federal statutes

it's like saying that a military invasion/retaliation is illegal under our federal statutes. Seems like you have trouble understanding this issue. It's pretty simple, really.

 

[jillio]

again..... domestic terrorism IS NOT the same as terrorism by Al Qaeda because it was the war, not criminal. The war cannot be covered by our federal statutes

it's like saying that a military invasion/retaliation is illegal under our federal statutes. Seems like you have trouble understanding this issue. It's pretty simple, really.

Crimes committed under the flag of this country most certainly are covered by federal statutes. It is like saying nothing of the kind.:roll:

Did you read that the ACLU is involved now? Why in the world would a group of lawyers that call themselves the American Civil Liberties Union be involved if it was not a matter of the laws of this country being violated?

 

[Bottesini]

I am too tired to stay awake.

Jiro and Jillio don't get banned before morning!!!!

 

[jillio]

I am too tired to stay awake.

Jiro and Jillio don't get banned before morning!!!!

Thanks, Bott!! I'm off to bed soon, as well.

 

[Jiro]

ACLU: Defense department to release abuse photos
Posted: 10:28 PM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Defense Department will release “a substantial number” of photographs showing abuse of prisoners at prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to the American Civil Liberties Union.

The release will be in response to an open-records lawsuit filed by the ACLU, the group said in a written statement. The statement released late Thursday said the photos were taken at facilities other than the infamous Abu Ghraib prison.

“These photographs provide visual proof that prisoner abuse by U.S. personnel was not aberrational but widespread, reaching far beyond the walls of Abu Ghraib,” Amrit Singh, an ACLU attorney, said in the release. The photos are to be released by May 28, the ACLU said.

The Department of Defense announced in a letter addressed to the federal court on Thursday that it would release the photos.

In a copy of the letter posted on the ACLU’s Web site, acting U.S. Attorney Lev L. Dassin said that 21 photographs would be released and that the government “also is processing for release a substantial number of other images.”

The lawsuit was filed in 2004 after the Bush administration denied a 2003 open-records request by the ACLU.

The 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals ruled last year that the photos should be released. The Defense Department will not appeal the case to the U.S. Supreme Court, Dassin said in the letter.

Attempts by CNN to reach the White House and Department of Defense for comment were not immediately successful.

The CNN Wire - Latest updates on top stories - CNN.com Blogs

Crimes committed under the flag of this country most certainly are covered by federal statutes. It is like saying nothing of the kind.:roll:

Did you read that the ACLU is involved now? Why in the world would a group of lawyers that call themselves the American Civil Liberties Union be involved if it was not a matter of the laws of this country being violated?

ACLU actually has NO case in here unless if it's an American citizen being snatched by government for terrorism charge. Now that's the different story.

You, on the other hand, are confusing this issue. This is about foreign terrorists, not citizens.

 

[Jiro]

Crimes committed under the flag of this country most certainly are covered by federal statutes. It is like saying nothing of the kind.:roll:

so the military invasion/retaliation by foreigner is a federal crime? You have continued to avoid my simple question..... Oh well. I guess my job's done here.

No need for me to continue this circular game.

 

[jillio]

ACLU actually has NO case here unless if it's an American citizen being snatched by government for terrorism charge. Now that's the different story.

You, on the other hand, are confusing this issue. This is about foreign terrorists, not citizens.

Did you read the article, Jiro? And the ACLU most definately does have a case here. I'm pretty sure that the ACLU have some expertise in the law.:roll:

 

[Jiro]

Did you read the article, Jiro? And the ACLU most definately does have a case here. I'm pretty sure that the ACLU have some expertise in the law.:roll:

sorry dear. they don't. good luck for them!

like I said - if it's regarding American citizen, yes they have a case. as for Al Qaeda terrorists, sorry nope.

American Civil Liberties Union

The ACLU is our nation's guardian of liberty, working daily in courts, legislatures and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties that the Constitution and laws of the United States guarantee everyone in this country.

These rights include:

* Your First Amendment rights - freedom of speech, association and assembly; freedom of the press, and freedom of religion.
* Your right to equal protection under the law - protection against unlawful discrimination.
* Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.
* Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.

The ACLU also works to extend rights to segments of our population that have traditionally been denied their rights, including people of color; women; lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgender people; prisoners; and people with disabilities.

If the rights of society's most vulnerable members are denied, everybody's rights are imperiled.

where exactly does the Al Qaeda terrorist fit in that? What law has the government violated? Beside the Al Qaeda terrorists are not American citizens. Thus - ACLU has no case in here.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

crimes, murders, rapes are caused by 1 person... along with 1 or a few victims which cause a very very very very very tiny impact on America at macro level. But for terrorism - 1 terrorist can cause a devastating damage with a loss of hundreds, if not thousands of lives and a loss of millions (or billions) of dollars.

Please do not compare terrorists with criminals. it's like comparing an ax to chainsaw in terms of damage when destroying a forest. use your common sense.

No, you don´t get it.

It keep saying that Bush keep America safe because of no terrorist attack since 2001. just terrorist, that´s all? What a joking... Bush Admin. were busy to spend your tax to buy Muslim/Arabs from Pakinson authorities to label them as terrorist suspects and torture them in other countries including Gitmo Bay... Is it legal?

Bush Admin. do not focus on their own country example Bridge fall down because of neglect to take care of bridge, many gun shootings, rapes, murder, Katrina issues, unemployment, etc... Keep America safe?

I would say Bush keep America safe IF he focus on both terrorism and his country but he & his comanions doesn´t.

From now I label Muslim and Arab, not terrorist suspects because they were victim of US political games. It´s still no proof either they are terrorists... I would call Bush as a terrorist because he attacked countries to make war for no reason.

Yes, Bush & his companions need to be proscuted.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Deny what?

Just because you found something that agrees with your idea and I found something that agrees with my idea doesn't mean you or I are right. it depends on each one's moral view and thanks God the American government is not going by your moral view otherwise we would have crumbled a long time ago. That's a reason why we have a hardliner stance.

here's a question for you - Obama Administration released memos about torture. How come he didn't release the info about the results gained from interrogation?

Nope, we know your posts from Gitmo threads... You keep on saying... Proof... misleading, call detainees liar, defend Bush & his companions, etc. etc. etc. to end lock many Gitmo threads... Your problem is you refuse to see it... You don´t want to beleive that I know from TV news about them last year.


I think Obama doing right to released some memos because its about truth.

If terrorist threaten comes then I will blame Bush & his companions because they doing their revenage against Bush & his people for what they did them in Gitmo Bay when they were innocent.

 

[Jiro]

Nope, we know your posts from Gitmo threads... You keep on saying... Proof... misleading, call detainees liar, defend Bush & his companions, etc. etc. etc. to end lock many Gitmo threads... Your problem is you refuse to see it... You don´t want to beleive that I know from TV news about them last year.

and you don't want to believe what I know from many sources..... oh well... that's why everything has 2 sides. black white. plus minus. top bottom. left right. 1 0. 0 1.

I think Obama doing right to released some memos because its about truth.

ok. we can agree to disagree

If terrorist threaten comes then I will blame Bush & his companions because they doing their revenage against Bush & his people for what they did them in Gitmo Bay when they were innocent.

Actually - I would blame it on Obama Administration for failing to protect our country when Bush Administration was able to successfully protected this country for duration of his Administration.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm afraid it is. What Obama did is a very serious breach of national security. It jeopardizes our ability to combat terrorism that people do not understand. All Obama Administration had to say is that it does not believe in using aggressive interrogation tactics. He did not have to continue to rub Bush's nose on the whole issue and keep spotlight shining on him.

Did Bush Administration do same to Clinton Administration by finger-pointing at Clinton for creating a massive security hole?

President Obama - please focus on combating the terrorism, not finger-pointing and blaming. Obviously - Obama and Bush have different way in handling the terrorism. Bush did his and now Obama need to do his. I have yet seen anything that Obama has done to tackle this issue.

Obama focus on America due high unemployment rate and economy. They are important... Obama said that he focus terrorism but not focus on only terrorisum but his people and country. Obama is right because he focus BOTH, not just terrorisum like what Bush & his companions did.

Clinton? Crime? where? His crime to Republician´s eyes is lie over blow job in the Oval office, that´s all...

Clinton told Bush to focus terrorism but Bush choose to focus Iraq, that´s 11/9 attack happened... Do Bush keep America safe? :roll:

 

[Liebling:-)))]

and you don't want to believe what I know from many sources..... oh well... that's why everything has 2 sides. black white. plus minus. top bottom. left right. 1 0. 0 1.

The sources you support is Government´s side. We tried to convince why we don´t beleive Government´s side. I am on innocent´s side over Government.

Now you see yourself that your Government lied to you but you still deny it...

ok. we can agree to disagree

Well, this memo Obama released support former detainee Muslims/Arab´s claim over their bad experience in Gitmo Bay and other milatry prisons.

Give up, Jiro...

Actually - I would blame it on Obama Administration for failing to protect our country when Bush Administration was able to successfully protected this country for duration of his Administration.

Nope...

I will blame on Bush Admin. 100% if Obama prosecuted Bush & his companions because Muslim and Arabs want justice for Bush & his companions. It´s fair and justice. If not, it´s risk because Muslim and Arab will be angry with Obama for not prosecute Bush & his companions. I would blame on Obama Admin 1% and on Bush Admin. 99% if terrorist threaten happens.