Christians Sue for Right Not to Tolerate Gay Policies

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From L.A. Times newspaper article today .....

Ruth Malhotra went to court last month for the right to be intolerant.

Malhotra says her Christian faith compels her to speak out against homosexuality. But the Georgia Institute of Technology, where she's a senior, bans speech that puts down others because of their sexual orientation.

Malhotra sees that as an unacceptable infringement on her right to religious _expression. So she's demanding that Georgia Tech revoke its tolerance policy.

With her lawsuit, the 22-year-old student joins a growing campaign to force public schools, state colleges and private workplaces to eliminate policies protecting gays and lesbians. The religious right aims to overturn a broad range of common tolerance programs: diversity training that promotes acceptance of gays and lesbians, speech codes that ban harsh words against homosexuality, anti-discrimination policies that require college clubs to open their membership to all.

The Rev. Rick Scarborough, a leading evangelical, frames the movement as the civil rights struggle of the 21st century. "Christians," he said, "are going to have to take a stand for the right to be Christian."

In that spirit, the Christian Legal Society, an association of judges and lawyers, has formed a national group to challenge tolerance policies in federal court.

The legal argument is straightforward: Policies intended to protect gays and lesbians from discrimination end up discriminating against conservative Christians. Evangelicals have been suspended for wearing anti-gay T-shirts to high school, fired for denouncing Gay Pride Month at work, reprimanded for refusing to attend diversity training. When they protest tolerance codes, they're labeled intolerant.

A recent survey by the Anti-Defamation League found that 64% of American adults — including 80% of evangelical Christians — agreed with the statement "Religion is under attack in this country."

"The message is, you're free to worship as you like, but don't you dare talk about it outside the four walls of your church," said Stephen Crampton, chief counsel for the American Family Assn. Center for Law and Policy, which represents Christians who feel harassed.

Others fear the banner of religious liberty could be used to justify all manner of harassment.

"What if a person felt their religious view was that African Americans shouldn't mingle with Caucasians, or that women shouldn't work?" asked Jon Davidson, legal director of the gay rights group Lambda Legal.

Christian activist Gregory S. Baylor responds to such criticism angrily. He says he supports policies that protect people from discrimination based on race and gender. But he draws a distinction that infuriates gay rights activists when he argues that sexual orientation is different — a lifestyle choice, not an inborn trait.

By equating homosexuality with race, Baylor said, tolerance policies put conservative evangelicals in the same category as racists. He predicts the government will one day revoke the tax-exempt status of churches that preach homosexuality is sinful or that refuse to hire gays and lesbians.

"Think how marginalized racists are," said Baylor, who directs the Christian Legal Society's Center for Law and Religious Freedom. "If we don't address this now, it will only get worse."

Christians are fighting back in a case involving Every Nation Campus Ministries at California State University. Student members of the ministry on the Long Beach and San Diego campuses say their mission is to model a virtuous lifestyle for their peers. They will not accept as members gays, lesbians or anyone who considers homosexuality "a natural part of God's created order."

Legal analysts agree that the ministry, as a private organization, has every right to exclude gays; the Supreme Court affirmed that principle in a case involving the Boy Scouts in 2000. At issue is whether the university must grant official recognition to a student group that discriminates.

The students say denying them recognition — and its attendant benefits, such as funding — violates their free-speech rights and discriminates against their conservative theology. Christian groups at public colleges in other states have sued using similar arguments. Several of those lawsuits were settled out of court, with the groups prevailing.

In California, however, the university may have a strong defense in court. The California Supreme Court recently ruled that the city of Berkeley was justified in denying subsidies to the Boy Scouts because of that group's exclusionary policies. Eddie L. Washington, the lawyer representing Cal State, argues the same standard should apply to the university.

"We're certainly not going to fund discrimination," Washington said.

As they step up their legal campaign, conservative Christians face uncertain prospects. The 1st Amendment guarantees Americans "free exercise" of religion. In practice, though, the ground rules shift depending on the situation.

In a 2004 case, for instance, an AT&T Broadband employee won the right to express his religious convictions by refusing to sign a pledge to "respect and value the differences among us." As long as the employee wasn't harassing co-workers, the company had to make accommodations for his faith, a federal judge in Colorado ruled.

That same year, however, a federal judge in Idaho ruled that Hewlett-Packard Co. was justified in firing an employee who posted Bible verses condemning homosexuality on his cubicle. The verses, clearly visible from the hall, harassed gay employees and made it difficult for the company to meet its goal of attracting a diverse workforce, the judge ruled.

In the public schools, an Ohio middle school student last year won the right to wear a T-shirt that proclaimed: "Homosexuality is a sin! Islam is a lie! Abortion is murder!" But a teen-ager in Kentucky lost in federal court when he tried to exempt himself from a school program on gay tolerance on the grounds that it violated his religious beliefs.

In their lawsuit against Georgia Tech, Malhotra and her co-plaintiff, a devout Jewish student named Orit Sklar, request unspecified damages. But they say their main goal is to force the university to be more tolerant of religious viewpoints. The lawsuit was filed by the Alliance Defense Fund, a nonprofit law firm that focuses on religious liberty cases.

Malhotra said she had been reprimanded by college deans several times in the last few years for expressing conservative religious and political views. When she protested a campus production of "The Vagina Monologues" with a display condemning feminism, the administration asked her to paint over part of it.

She caused another stir with a letter to the gay activists who organized an event known as Coming Out Week in the fall of 2004. Malhotra sent the letter on behalf of the Georgia Tech College Republicans, which she chairs; she said several members of the executive board helped write it.

The letter berated students who come out publicly as gay, saying they subject others on campus to "a constant barrage of homosexuality."

The student activist who received the letter, Felix Hu, described it as "rude, unfair, presumptuous" — and disturbing enough that Pride Alliance forwarded it to a college administrator. Soon after, Malhotra said, she was called in to a dean's office. Students can be expelled for intolerant speech, but she said she was only reprimanded.

Still, she said, the incident has left her afraid to speak freely. She's even reluctant to aggressively advertise the campus lectures she arranges on living by the Bible. "Whenever I've spoken out against a certain lifestyle, the first thing I'm told is 'You're being intolerant, you're being negative, you're creating a hostile campus environment,' " Malhotra said.

A Georgia Tech spokeswoman would not comment on the lawsuit or on Malhotra's disciplinary record, but she said the university encouraged students to debate freely, "as long as they're not promoting violence or harassing anyone."

The open question is what constitutes harassment, what's a sincere _expression of faith — and what to do when they overlap.

"There really is confusion out there," said Charles C. Haynes, a senior scholar at the First Amendment Center, which is affiliated with Vanderbilt University. "Finding common ground sounds good. But the reality is, a lot of people on all sides have a stake in the fight."
http://www.latimes.com/news/printed...0,6596503.story?page=1&coll=la-home-headlines
 
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Hate is hate. The Christian Right used "freedom of religion" as an excuse for slavery and segregation, it is just trying to do it again to deny gay people the basic human rights everyone else has. "Religious liberty" this is not an issue of. This is an issue of whether or not a public institution should support one particular religion (Homophobic Evangelical Christianity) over the rest of society, something it certainly should not.

It should also be noted that there is a poll that directly renders the one mentioned in the article irrelevant--60% of American adults believe there should civil unions for same-sex couples or that same-sex marriage should be legalised.
 
Teresh said:
Hate is hate. The Christian Right used "freedom of religion" as an excuse for slavery and segregation, it is just trying to do it again to deny gay people the basic human rights everyone else has. "Religious liberty" this is not an issue of. This is an issue of whether or not a public institution should support one particular religion (Homophobic Evangelical Christianity) over the rest of society, something it certainly should not.

It should also be noted that there is a poll that directly renders the one mentioned in the article irrelevant--60% of American adults believe there should civil unions for same-sex couples or that same-sex marriage should be legalised.

Teresh , on the poll..... You read yourself wrong. You have selective hearing.

A recent survey by the Anti-Defamation League found that 64% of American adults — including 80% of evangelical Christians — agreed with the statement "Religion is under attack in this country."


You are trying to cover up using the liberal one punch line. God clearly said no to race-mixing and homosexuality.
 
Heath said:
It is right there in the Bible read it for yourself.

You know that the bible was written by people with agenda?

But if u want to believe everything in the bible, whatever floats your boat.
 
Heath said:
You have selective hearing.

No... Just deaf. Situational irony +1.

Heath said:
A recent survey by the Anti-Defamation League found that 64% of American adults — including 80% of evangelical Christians — agreed with the statement "Religion is under attack in this country."

I read the article, thank you very much. I said that that poll, true or not, it's hard to tell, ha nothing to do with the subject because at least 60% of American adults support civil unions or same-sex marriage.

Heath said:
You are trying to cover up using the liberal one punch line. God clearly said no to race-mixing and homosexuality.

There's nothing in the Tanakh about either. Maybe you need to re-read it?
 
Teresh said:
No... Just deaf. Situational irony +1.

You only hear what you want to hear but not the whole thing.

I read the article, thank you very much. I said that that poll, true or not, it's hard to tell, ha nothing to do with the subject because at least 60% of American adults support civil unions or same-sex marriage.

You are wrong here again, selective reading let me highlight for you,

A recent survey by the Anti-Defamation League found that 64% of American adults — including 80% of evangelical Christians — agreed with the statement "Religion is under attack in this country."

There's nothing in the Tanakh about either. Maybe you need to re-read it?

Teresh. Let's look at the Biblical verse in Leviticus of the Tanakh.

Leviticus 18:22 (King James Version)

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Is homosexuality condemned by the Bible?

Yes, just as fornication is condemned by the Bible, and for the same reason; it is a perversion of God's plan.

God's plan is one man for one woman, for life, and the sexual relationship between a man and a woman is a sacred, God given right, privilege, and pleasure, intended by God to be exercised only within the confines of marriage. Any and every other allowance for sexual practices on the part of human beings is sexual perversion.

Man does not have the right to do what he pleases. God sets the standard for morality, although man seems to feel that he is free to set his own standard. God grants man the opportunity to obey him. We can choose to obey, or we can choose to be disobedient. God's law for human beings is sexual relations within marriage, period. Man thinks this to be too restrictive, so he looks for ways to rationalize his perversion. Some sexual perverts enjoy pornographic material, some sexual perverts are adulators, some perverts want sex with children, some sexual perverts engage in sex with animals, some are homosexuals. All of these are previsions of God's plan. An adulator is an immoral person because he has violated God's standard of morality. A homosexual is an immoral person for the same reason.
 
hootster said:
Did God personally tell you that?


Yes, You can read The Old Testament. God destoryed Sodom and Gomorrah What Bible say Genesis 19:1-29.
 
EagleCherokee63 said:
Yes, You can read The Old Testament. God destoryed Sodom and Gomorrah What Bible say Genesis 19:1-29.

Again, like I said before, the bible was written by people with agendas.
 
Heath said:
There's nothing in the Tanakh about either. Maybe you need to re-read it?

Teresh. Let's look at the Biblical verse in Leviticus of the Tanakh.

Leviticus 18:22 (King James Version)

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Is homosexuality condemned by the Bible?

Yes, just as fornication is condemned by the Bible, and for the same reason; it is a perversion of God's plan.

God's plan is one man for one woman, for life, and the sexual relationship between a man and a woman is a sacred, God given right, privilege, and pleasure, intended by God to be exercised only within the confines of marriage. Any and every other allowance for sexual practices on the part of human beings is sexual perversion.

Man does not have the right to do what he pleases. God sets the standard for morality, although man seems to feel that he is free to set his own standard. God grants man the opportunity to obey him. We can choose to obey, or we can choose to be disobedient. God's law for human beings is sexual relations within marriage, period. Man thinks this to be too restrictive, so he looks for ways to rationalize his perversion. Some sexual perverts enjoy pornographic material, some sexual perverts are adulators, some perverts want sex with children, some sexual perverts engage in sex with animals, some are homosexuals. All of these are previsions of God's plan. An adulator is an immoral person because he has violated God's standard of morality. A homosexual is an immoral person for the same reason.

AMEN! LEVITICUS 18 all chapters (KJV) King James Verison
If you not respect to Lord then it filthy sins! Because God made you human and Thank Lord for me here in earth. How God miracle you born and grow up. God's HAND POWERFUL! CREATE! WONDERFUL! AWOESOME!! Jesus Christ IS GOD!!! Thank God send Jesus enter in earth and died on cross for us sins and forgive sins. If Jesus Christ not enter earth then people will go lake the fire. SO Jesus give you choose that which serve Lord or serve Devil? you choose one. Jesus don't like religion or legalism. Gal 5:22-23 Fruit of spiritual His Love GRACE! I choose serve Lord! :angel: :)
 
hootster said:
Again, like I said before, the bible was written by people with agendas.

It wrong! You not read history about 1621 about King James Verison. When you worm history and You will understand better. God used with King James Verison. He knewledge greek so he wrote english from Greek. King James who is good sevre the Lord! Catholic some men wanted killed with King Jame but He hided it with Bible. How sad story! I cant say long story. Favor yourself worm history and Bible.
 
Heath said:
You are trying to cover up using the liberal one punch line. God clearly said no to race-mixing and homosexuality.


OMG!!! I had a black girlfriend so I must go to hell for what I've done!

seriously...does the color of skin really paranoid you? lol let's see...

since you are SO addicted to the bible, I'm guessing you havent' got anywhere in the bible about a story of a white man named Moses who is dating a black girl and they both fell in love and such, etc...at least the black girl is still a girl for christ's sake!

I seriously dont think there is such a statement where God forbids such an interacial relationship as long as it's still the opposit sex that God wanted us to "mate" and "make babies", etc...in other words, I don't really think God is much of a hateful creator towards anything, especially the homosexuals cause what he taught us the most is love...not hate. God don't believe in hate and wars and murder and especially homosexual haters also.

So...Heath, do you ever get any ideas in ur own friggin numb skull that when you read alot of negetive posts from hundreds of other members disagreeing with you?

I'll give you a hint: IT'S CAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG!

*ahem* anyway, before I go, I want to show you a very sexy picture of that absloute beauiful black woman named Ebony Eve and if you dont find her attractive at all just because she's "black", then you are very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very SAD!

Ebony-Eve-2897-5.jpg
 
EagleCherokee63 said:
It wrong! You not read history about 1621 about King James Verison. When you worm history and You will understand better. God used with King James Verison. He knewledge greek so he wrote english from Greek. King James who is good sevre the Lord! Catholic some men wanted killed with King Jame but He hided it with Bible. How sad story! I cant say long story. Favor yourself worm history and Bible.

Oh, brother.
 
Steel X said:
OMG!!! I had a black girlfriend so I must go to hell for what I've done!

seriously...does the color of skin really paranoid you? lol let's see...

since you are SO addicted to the bible, I'm guessing you havent' got anywhere in the bible about a story of a white man named Moses who is dating a black girl and they both fell in love and such, etc...at least the black girl is still a girl for christ's sake!

I seriously dont think there is such a statement where God forbids such an interacial relationship as long as it's still the opposit sex that God wanted us to "mate" and "make babies", etc...in other words, I don't really think God is much of a hateful creator towards anything, especially the homosexuals cause what he taught us the most is love...not hate. God don't believe in hate and wars and murder and especially homosexual haters also.

So...Heath, do you ever get any ideas in ur own friggin numb skull that when you read alot of negetive posts from hundreds of other members disagreeing with you?

I'll give you a hint: IT'S CAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG!

*ahem* anyway, before I go, I want to show you a very sexy picture of that absloute beauiful black woman named Ebony Eve and if you dont find her attractive at all just because she's "black", then you are very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very SAD!

Ebony-Eve-2897-5.jpg

Hi Steel,

The only way you can go to hell is to not believe on Jesus Christ KJV Holy Bible, Please read Romans 10:9

There are numerous Biblical references warning about race-mixing and God told Moses not to lay with another woman and as a result of that agreement the offspring was the Ishamelites and that is the Arabs but God also blessed the Arabs ( Ishamelites ). That is a beautiful picture of the black woman but she is not for me. I am sure there is a good black guy out there for that black woman, also there are many more black guys that do not believe in race-mixing and prefer to date and marry black women, Their own.
 
if you haven't noticed yet heath we're all mutts... from different countries,race,ect...

did the bible also say do not marry into a different race beacause of culture differences well everyone in the world has different cultural differences ireland is different from england,england is different from scotland and people there are white mostly. THe world is full of mutts.. im half french,irish,german, polish..the list goes on and all those coutries have different cultures.
 
ella said:
if you haven't noticed yet heath we're all mutts... from different countries,race,ect...

did the bible also say do not marry into a different race beacause of culture differences well everyone in the world has different cultural differences ireland is different from england,england is different from scotland and people there are white mostly. THe world is full of mutts.. im half french,irish,german, polish..the list goes on and all those coutries have different cultures.

White nations can marry within White nations

Blacks can marry within black nations

Hispanics can marry within hispanics.

That is what God warned over and over again in the Bible as a result of that, look at the world in ever increasing conflict these days.
 
Steel X said:
OMG!!! I had a black girlfriend so I must go to hell for what I've done!

seriously...does the color of skin really paranoid you? lol let's see...

since you are SO addicted to the bible, I'm guessing you havent' got anywhere in the bible about a story of a white man named Moses who is dating a black girl and they both fell in love and such, etc...at least the black girl is still a girl for christ's sake!

I seriously dont think there is such a statement where God forbids such an interacial relationship as long as it's still the opposit sex that God wanted us to "mate" and "make babies", etc...in other words, I don't really think God is much of a hateful creator towards anything, especially the homosexuals cause what he taught us the most is love...not hate. God don't believe in hate and wars and murder and especially homosexual haters also.

So...Heath, do you ever get any ideas in ur own friggin numb skull that when you read alot of negetive posts from hundreds of other members disagreeing with you?

I'll give you a hint: IT'S CAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG!

*ahem* anyway, before I go, I want to show you a very sexy picture of that absloute beauiful black woman named Ebony Eve and if you dont find her attractive at all just because she's "black", then you are very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very SAD!
May I add with your qoute:

Heath.. look at Abraham reproduced the egyptain maid who carried his child named ishmael, Judah married daughter of Canaanite tribe and she gave two childern to him, Jospeh married daughter of EGYPTIAN KING, She was black princess and gave two sons to him; David married beautul woman from Canaan nation, she gave two sons to him.. Did God not pleasure with them who married outish ladies of their own race?

what about Esau married the many women of canaan and the daughters of Ishmael since Ishmael married daughter of EGYPT offspring 12 tribes where Esau was taken. Did God mad at both esau and ishamel who married another race instead of shem?

WHY HEBREW MEN MARRIED BLACK RACE OF NATION OVER THEIR OWN RACE??
 
Steel X said:

That is a sterotypical picture and you have not met or seen any White brothers and White sisters who are very physically fit and become stronger through White pride and learning about White History and starting to feeling good about themselves and turning off the t.v. to the mass media of the race mixing liberal establishment that shouts very negative and hateful things towards White people. The liberal establishment loves to stereotype Whites as fat , lazy and stupid when in fact that is not true at all, those are the newcomers learning about White Pride / White History and becomes stronger and grounded in the truth. Don't believe everything that the liberal establishment of Hollywood wants to show and portrays the Whites to be.
 
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